holfresh wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:holfresh wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Moonangie wrote:Orlando would give ALL that to NY to move up 1 spot? Unlikely. But if so, I'd STRONGLY urge the team to take that deal. We'd probably still be able to draft Mudiay.
One man's potential junk is another man's potential treasure.For them, that one spot might actually be trading up to #1.
I'm speculating, of course. Did read that they told the Latvian last year that they would take him in the lottery if he was in the draft.
Inside outside with Vucevich.
Question- If, for some reason, Towns fell to 4, and you had the 5th pick, and you believed he was hands down the best player in the draft.
What would you offer to get Towns?
Are we talking about the Knicks and what we have now to offer up in a trade?? Because we don't have much.
If you had the 5th, a 2nd this year, and next year's 1st & 2nd, would you give them up for Towns if he fell for some strange reason?
Towns became a mythical figure after his workout video..He really didn't have any offensive moves at Kentucky..But after seeing his workouts where he couldn't miss a jumper then people want to trade future first round picks for him..Its like college never happened..
I agree in many ways with this, same was true with Stein in that workout, but Towns was supposedly knocking down 3s in HS, and is good at the line. I also saw some nice moves in the post vs Wisc- he and Kaminsky had some good battles down low, too. He was protected on D by guys like Stein and Lyles, and their other bigs, too.My thing with Towns is that there is no way he and his size 20 feet can play the 4 in this league the way it is developing. Don't see the movement. Has to be a 5, and Minny already has a decent center, who I don't think can play PF.
My KG 2.0 theory is that Saunders, who loves Porzingis, flips with LA, who then gets a very happy Towns. Minny gets LA's 27th and their very early #2 (34th).
Just a theory, but who knows.
I'm amazed..U just went thru this discussion about overhyped players because of workout video and then u propose an insane trade of the best player in the draft for the biggest overhyped 4 minute video star in the 2015 draft..
Not saying he is better than Towns, myself. I like Towns and would take him at #1 and make him my 5. And I did kind of say is was a "theory." You also know that some folks still believe that OK4 or Russell are the best players in the draft.
By the way, what team workouts has Towns participated in? Do we have any official agility measurements for him on record? How many minutes did he average with KU? Do we have game footage of him hitting 3s like he did in the video he put out? Has he had significant time playing on the perimeter as a defender? Was he the only big player on his team?
I'm talking about Saunders, who likes him a great deal and has traveled out of the country to see him this year- he is the guy who compared him to KG, not me.
I don't think Saunders would make the trade, but this is the kind of stuff we thrown around on this forum, since nothing we say really matters are far as who gets chosen by whom.
Honestly, some folks don't know how the overseas players have been scrutinized. You do know that we started sending "Dream Teams" to the Olympics because the world was catching up with the U.S. in BB, and I've heard rumors that they even lost one year.
Remember, he pulled out of the draft last year, despite an offer from Orlando, allegedly. Teams have now looked at his draftworthiness two years in a row. He's not a former volleyball player who decided to play for the money 6 months ago.
For a player like Porzingis, the workout video was for two groups:
-Some GMs might have seen him in person for the first time- others might have seen some new moves he's worked on- but there are a core of GMs and teams who have seen him last year and this year in Europe, and the bloody workout is somewhat meaningless for them, since they already have an idea of what he can, can't, and may someday do.
-The other group includes folks like you and me who have not traveled to Europe to see him play during the 2+ years he was competing against grown men in a highly regarded league, and getting their Rising Star Award. I've watched parts of game and the highlight vids out there, which look at strengths and weaknesses, but I thought is was interesting to see him a little closer up.
Some folks were impressed by the video to the point where if the Knicks, or another team, takes him, they won't be as unhappy as they might have been. That, I think,is one reason this kind of workout was shown, but don't think that the guys who get paid to draft these players are only basing their decision on a scripted workout video...or is that what you believe?
