Knicks · Porzingis + Monroe is a pretty good fit (page 2)

i know but porzingis seems to only be good at shooting at moment and posting up, i dont see any other skills he is good at

jbeachboy wrote:i know but porzingis seems to only be good at shooting at moment and posting up, i dont see any other skills he is good at

Those are two very valuable skills for a 7ft player

so draft him at 4?

jbeachboy wrote:i know but porzingis seems to only be good at shooting at moment and posting up, i dont see any other skills he is good at

Lateral quickness
Shot blocking
Hops

WaltLongmire wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:A lineup of Porzingas, Monroe, Melo ( forced to play the wing in this scenario) and THJr and Calderon will at some point have to share the floor together in this scenario.

No offense, but I refuse to see a starting front line defense of Melo, Monroe and Porzingas as a "good fit"

You know how in video games, sometimes you can put the Player 1 on God Mode against the computer opponent. Meaning no matter what you do, you can't die.

That frontline defense is like basically giving any player on any other team offensive God Mode on the Knicks.

A fringe 15th man like Dwight Buycks could drop 60 points on that frontline defense.

If you score 100 a night but you allow the opponent to score 150 a night, that's not progress.

No... its not.

YUP...

On offense it opens up thing a bit, and that's important to me if we have Anthony and Monroe on the same front line. Not necessarily in love with Monroe, but if you bring him in to pair with Anthony, you have to have someone who can consistently hit from the outside.

Don't know if Porzingis is ready to be at the 5, yet, but I don't see him getting bullied on D by the 4s in the league for the most part. His length and athletic ability alone will give him a natural advantage if a smaller 4 tries to take him low.

A good post-up player is a vanishing breed, which is why OK4's skills are so coveted these days. Look what Mosgov is able to do in the post as a defender by just staying in front of his man putting his arms up and going up vertically, and he does not have great agility in the pit. Against most players in the post, especially with the rules protecting offensive players, this might be the way to go at this time in the NBA. At center, Monroe can at least do this. I would not want him playing PF too much, to be honest, unless he comes in slimmer and quicker.

Monroe is not a shot blocker, but at 6'11"(w/shoes) and a 7'2.5" wingspan, and with a strong base, he is better at center at this point unless he comes in much slimmer. To be effective, IMO, he has to be a positional/stay in front of your man defender. Porzingis averages 1 BPG, and he almost averages 1 SPG, despite playing about 21 MPG. With his length, relative quickness, and lack of strength at this point- he would seem to be most useful as an off the ball defender.

A Calderon and THJ tandem does not exactly inspire defensive confidence, though. Expect they will see limited time together.

I think we will add Monroe and Harris or Carroll regardless who we draft. With the twin tower lineup, one of those guys will play SG.....PG would be the main weakness. This is where Melo can recruit a veteran PG that he likes, since he dislikes rookie PG's....based on his own words.

Monroe
Porzingis
Melo
Harris
(Vet PG)

Thats not a bad rebuilding start. Can't fix everything.

blkexec wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:i know but porzingis seems to only be good at shooting at moment and posting up, i dont see any other skills he is good at

Lateral quickness
Shot blocking
Hops

And he's not just a shooter....You have to break out the two different types of shooters, because he's both.

Catch and shoot type
Off the dribble type
Mid range
3 Pters

Offensively he's off the chain. It's just that he's over 7 feet tall, so everybody wants him to be a big center with a back to the basket game. Right now, he's a scorer who can block shots and rebound. As he gets stronger, all those intangles will increase.

blkexec wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:i know but porzingis seems to only be good at shooting at moment and posting up, i dont see any other skills he is good at

Lateral quickness
Shot blocking
Hops

And he's not just a shooter....You have to break out the two different types of shooters, because he's both.

Catch and shoot type
Off the dribble type
Mid range
3 Pters

Offensively he's off the chain. It's just that he's over 7 feet tall, so everybody wants him to be a big center with a back to the basket game. Right now, he's a scorer who can block shots and rebound. As he gets stronger, all those intangles will increase.

KrisP is everything Bargs was supposed to be. He's a little better at everything but basically the same prospect that Bargs was coming into the draft. People forget now just how much of a prospect Bargs was.

It is no coincidence that the Italian’s nickname ‘Il Mago’ translates into the ‘The Magician’ in English. Observing the stages that a unique talent like Il Mago has traversed, and must still traverse, to be able to realize the potential for greatness that he has within him is a window into something rare.

SNIP

When NBA prospects enter the draft, they are often subjected to psychological testing, the kind that measure the personality factors that are considered most relevant for success on the basketball court. When Bryan Colangelo, Raptors GM, learned of Bargnani’s results on the test, the result was dramatic, he nearly dropped the phone.

“They said his upside and potential were off the charts,” and went on to continue, “they said, ‘Out of all the athletes we’ve profiled, we’ve never seen anything like this.’”

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3dFWPmp00
http://www.draftexpress.com

nixluva wrote:

blkexec wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:i know but porzingis seems to only be good at shooting at moment and posting up, i dont see any other skills he is good at

Lateral quickness
Shot blocking
Hops

And he's not just a shooter....You have to break out the two different types of shooters, because he's both.

Catch and shoot type
Off the dribble type
Mid range
3 Pters

Offensively he's off the chain. It's just that he's over 7 feet tall, so everybody wants him to be a big center with a back to the basket game. Right now, he's a scorer who can block shots and rebound. As he gets stronger, all those intangles will increase.

KrisP is everything Bargs was supposed to be. He's a little better at everything but basically the same prospect that Bargs was coming into the draft. People forget now just how much of a prospect Bargs was.

It is no coincidence that the Italian’s nickname ‘Il Mago’ translates into the ‘The Magician’ in English. Observing the stages that a unique talent like Il Mago has traversed, and must still traverse, to be able to realize the potential for greatness that he has within him is a window into something rare.

SNIP

When NBA prospects enter the draft, they are often subjected to psychological testing, the kind that measure the personality factors that are considered most relevant for success on the basketball court. When Bryan Colangelo, Raptors GM, learned of Bargnani’s results on the test, the result was dramatic, he nearly dropped the phone.

“They said his upside and potential were off the charts,” and went on to continue, “they said, ‘Out of all the athletes we’ve profiled, we’ve never seen anything like this.’”

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3dFWPmp00
http://www.draftexpress.com

When NBA prospects enter the draft, they are often subjected to psychological testing, the kind that measure the personality factors that are considered most relevant for success on the basketball court. When Bryan Colangelo, Raptors GM, learned of Bargnani’s results on the test, the result was dramatic, he nearly dropped the phone.
“They said his upside and potential were off the charts,” and went on to continue, “they said, ‘Out of all the athletes we’ve profiled, we’ve never seen anything like this.’”
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3dFWPmp00
http://www.draftexpress.com

Obviously they were reading Barg's charts upside down..

Porzingis video with thise step back three's don't look like anyone I have ever seen 7-1 and maybe still growing!!!!
Durant?
If they only let Ralph Sampson play on he paremieter a bit he'd have been a god. At 7-4 they took bigs and put them in the post. Ralph was quick with a good handle.
I don't where Bargnani went "wrong" but his injuries are a big problem and maybe he just does not have the love of the game.
Porzingis has some strong fundamentals down for a 19 year old.

Nix...I said the same thing about Bargs and how similar he was to Porzingis, which isn't a bad thing by the way. Bargs was a franchise player for Toronto for a few years.

But heres the difference. If you really look close at Bargs vs Porzingis when they were the same age. Bargs didn't look as fluent. Porzingis is closer to a Durant as far as somebody that tall and that fluent with that skill set. Bargs was a center with moves like a power forward.

Porzingis has the height of a center, but moves like a guard.

It seems like these Euro guys are getting taller, but their games are getting smaller.....smaller position wise.

If you ignore the weight for a second, there's nothing bad you can say about his game. And at the same age, he's ahead of Bargs. And Bargs was the #1 pick for a reason.

I also think Porzingis has Stein potential defense, due to his lateral quickness.....Something Bargs or Dirk never had, because those guys had lateral quickness like a forward. This dude has the potential to the be the best in the draft. I'm not sure I can say that about Stein, eventhough I would be happy with either pick.

blkexec wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:i know but porzingis seems to only be good at shooting at moment and posting up, i dont see any other skills he is good at

Lateral quickness
Shot blocking
Hops

And he's not just a shooter....You have to break out the two different types of shooters, because he's both.

Catch and shoot type
Off the dribble type
Mid range
3 Pters

Offensively he's off the chain. It's just that he's over 7 feet tall, so everybody wants him to be a big center with a back to the basket game. Right now, he's a scorer who can block shots and rebound. As he gets stronger, all those intangles will increase.

I have faith in you zinger.....My reputation is on the line!

No rim defense..Great..

I think Monroe and Porzingis would be a bad fit defensively.

Might be why the Knicks are targeting David West now. That makes more sense to me.

Also, let's be real - does anyone think Porzingis is playing more than 20 minutes a night in year one? He really should not be.

crzymdups wrote:I think Monroe and Porzingis would be a bad fit defensively.

Might be why the Knicks are targeting David West now. That makes more sense to me.

Also, let's be real - does anyone think Porzingis is playing more than 20 minutes a night in year one? He really should not be.

I think we get Monroe and west. Great mix with porzingis off the bench for the first 2 years.

holfresh wrote:No rim defense..Great..

I think Kris will be a solid help defender. He should get over a block a game even now he can be a help defender.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:No rim defense..Great..

I think Kris will be a solid help defender. He should get over a block a game even now he can be a help defender.

of course he will, phil is a master

crzymdups wrote:I think Monroe and Porzingis would be a bad fit defensively.

Might be why the Knicks are targeting David West now. That makes more sense to me.

Also, let's be real - does anyone think Porzingis is playing more than 20 minutes a night in year one? He really should not be.

Lets see. He played 20 mpg in the Euro league and put up 10/5 a block a steal and shot 50% and very well from 3 and that was against grown men. Oh wait.. those are Karl Town's stats and he put those up against 6'7 kids in inferior programs.

This notion that KP is light years behind the NCAA guys doesnt jive. I just dont see it. Im sure he's got big NBA adjustments, but Phil isnt going to take this guy and not put him in a position to succeed.

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think Monroe and Porzingis would be a bad fit defensively.

Might be why the Knicks are targeting David West now. That makes more sense to me.

Also, let's be real - does anyone think Porzingis is playing more than 20 minutes a night in year one? He really should not be.

I think we get Monroe and west. Great mix with porzingis off the bench for the first 2 years.

Starts to make sense doesnt it? Can you think of a better mentor/example for Monroe/Porzingis than David West? Show them how to play the right way. In two years Monroe/Zinga are 27/22

High post Zinger triangle with Low post Monroe and Melo on the perimeter with full toolbox grant and Schved/Galloway/Calderone wide ass open is a pretty good thing. Think Pau and Andrew Bynum movement.

Bring back Bargs to start and Zinger off the Bench.

Nalod wrote:High post Zinger triangle with Low post Monroe and Melo on the perimeter with full toolbox grant and Schved/Galloway/Calderone wide ass open is a pretty good thing. Think Pau and Andrew Bynum movement.

Bring back Bargs to start and Zinger off the Bench.

Keep barg far away from KP..... It sounds like West is the guy they are bring in so just let Barg leave.

wargames wrote:

Nalod wrote:High post Zinger triangle with Low post Monroe and Melo on the perimeter with full toolbox grant and Schved/Galloway/Calderone wide ass open is a pretty good thing. Think Pau and Andrew Bynum movement.

Bring back Bargs to start and Zinger off the Bench.

Keep barg far away from KP..... It sounds like West is the guy they are bring in so just let Barg leave.

although bring Bargs back would be good just to see starkewing and holfresh explode lol