Knicks · Porzingis + Monroe is a pretty good fit (page 3)

wargames wrote:

Nalod wrote:High post Zinger triangle with Low post Monroe and Melo on the perimeter with full toolbox grant and Schved/Galloway/Calderone wide ass open is a pretty good thing. Think Pau and Andrew Bynum movement.

Bring back Bargs to start and Zinger off the Bench.

Keep barg far away from KP..... It sounds like West is the guy they are bring in so just let Barg leave.

although bring Bargs back would be good just to see starkewing and holfresh explode lol

fishmike wrote:

wargames wrote:

Nalod wrote:High post Zinger triangle with Low post Monroe and Melo on the perimeter with full toolbox grant and Schved/Galloway/Calderone wide ass open is a pretty good thing. Think Pau and Andrew Bynum movement.

Bring back Bargs to start and Zinger off the Bench.

Keep barg far away from KP..... It sounds like West is the guy they are bring in so just let Barg leave.

although bring Bargs back would be good just to see starkewing and holfresh explode lol

gotta take your meds fish. I had mire of a ptoblem with calderon than bargs

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

wargames wrote:

Nalod wrote:High post Zinger triangle with Low post Monroe and Melo on the perimeter with full toolbox grant and Schved/Galloway/Calderone wide ass open is a pretty good thing. Think Pau and Andrew Bynum movement.

Bring back Bargs to start and Zinger off the Bench.

Keep barg far away from KP..... It sounds like West is the guy they are bring in so just let Barg leave.

although bring Bargs back would be good just to see starkewing and holfresh explode lol

gotta take your meds fish. I had mire of a ptoblem with calderon than bargs

Give me some of yours there capt. bi-polar... you seemed to have settled down after bouncing off the walls like a 12 year old girl after a One Direction show last night.

That being said it was entertaining to watch

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

wargames wrote:

Nalod wrote:High post Zinger triangle with Low post Monroe and Melo on the perimeter with full toolbox grant and Schved/Galloway/Calderone wide ass open is a pretty good thing. Think Pau and Andrew Bynum movement.

Bring back Bargs to start and Zinger off the Bench.

Keep barg far away from KP..... It sounds like West is the guy they are bring in so just let Barg leave.

although bring Bargs back would be good just to see starkewing and holfresh explode lol

gotta take your meds fish. I had mire of a ptoblem with calderon than bargs

Give me some of yours there capt. bi-polar... you seemed to have settled down after bouncing off the walls like a 12 year old girl after a One Direction show last night.

That being said it was entertaining to watch

biploar. What are you 12. Anyway i liked the draft last night especially the grant trade

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

wargames wrote:

Nalod wrote:High post Zinger triangle with Low post Monroe and Melo on the perimeter with full toolbox grant and Schved/Galloway/Calderone wide ass open is a pretty good thing. Think Pau and Andrew Bynum movement.

Bring back Bargs to start and Zinger off the Bench.

Keep barg far away from KP..... It sounds like West is the guy they are bring in so just let Barg leave.

although bring Bargs back would be good just to see starkewing and holfresh explode lol

gotta take your meds fish. I had mire of a ptoblem with calderon than bargs

Give me some of yours there capt. bi-polar... you seemed to have settled down after bouncing off the walls like a 12 year old girl after a One Direction show last night.

That being said it was entertaining to watch

biploar. What are you 12. Anyway i liked the draft last night especially the grant trade

42... you mentioned I need meds but I call you bipolar and you cant take it? You liked the draft last night? Weird.. I wasnt posting, just reading you but you posted in several threads about what a terrible pick it was, that Phil most go and what a joke this is. Did you delete those posts? Just calling it like I see it dude. You wrote the words. All I did was read them

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

wargames wrote:

Nalod wrote:High post Zinger triangle with Low post Monroe and Melo on the perimeter with full toolbox grant and Schved/Galloway/Calderone wide ass open is a pretty good thing. Think Pau and Andrew Bynum movement.

Bring back Bargs to start and Zinger off the Bench.

Keep barg far away from KP..... It sounds like West is the guy they are bring in so just let Barg leave.

although bring Bargs back would be good just to see starkewing and holfresh explode lol

gotta take your meds fish. I had mire of a ptoblem with calderon than bargs

Give me some of yours there capt. bi-polar... you seemed to have settled down after bouncing off the walls like a 12 year old girl after a One Direction show last night.

That being said it was entertaining to watch

biploar. What are you 12. Anyway i liked the draft last night especially the grant trade

42... you mentioned I need meds but I call you bipolar and you cant take it? You liked the draft last night? Weird.. I wasnt posting, just reading you but you posted in several threads about what a terrible pick it was, that Phil most go and what a joke this is. Did you delete those posts? Just calling it like I see it dude. You wrote the words. All I did was read them

phil did the right thing. Took the BPA on his board. I absolutely love the grant trade that was a steal. The 2nd round pick i dont know much about but so far phil has done good

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

wargames wrote:

Nalod wrote:High post Zinger triangle with Low post Monroe and Melo on the perimeter with full toolbox grant and Schved/Galloway/Calderone wide ass open is a pretty good thing. Think Pau and Andrew Bynum movement.

Bring back Bargs to start and Zinger off the Bench.

Keep barg far away from KP..... It sounds like West is the guy they are bring in so just let Barg leave.

although bring Bargs back would be good just to see starkewing and holfresh explode lol

gotta take your meds fish. I had mire of a ptoblem with calderon than bargs

Give me some of yours there capt. bi-polar... you seemed to have settled down after bouncing off the walls like a 12 year old girl after a One Direction show last night.

That being said it was entertaining to watch

biploar. What are you 12. Anyway i liked the draft last night especially the grant trade

42... you mentioned I need meds but I call you bipolar and you cant take it? You liked the draft last night? Weird.. I wasnt posting, just reading you but you posted in several threads about what a terrible pick it was, that Phil most go and what a joke this is. Did you delete those posts? Just calling it like I see it dude. You wrote the words. All I did was read them

phil did the right thing. Took the BPA on his board. I absolutely love the grant trade that was a steal. The 2nd round pick i dont know much about but so far phil has done good

Ok... so I found the draft thread hilarious. People are all over the place. Funny to hear you say "Phil did the right thing"

Here are your first 9 posts in the draft thread before someone called you a debbie downer (which you got pissy about)

Porzingis is darko 2. Take mudiay or winslow

Knicks are a ****ing joke

Toronto or denver is getting a lottery pick next year

Trade the pick i hope

Phil might as well resign at this point. We got darko or frederic weis

big difference between being a coach and a good gm

so far only the knicks look bad

knicks are known to be the dumbest organization. Minny la and philly thanked us for winning the last two games. Now denver benefits

i hate riley but he is a proven gm phil isnt yet

Maybe you should go back and read your first NINE posts and give me any reason I should ever read anything you write on this forum as anything but childish reactionary fodder. You make 9 posts like the above, then get mad when someone calls you debbie downer. You make posts like the above, tell me take my meds and your constantly saying crap like "calm down fish" and you get pissy when I call you bi-polar, which is exactly how you act on this forum.

Sorry dude, I dont know you as a person, but maybe you want to review what your posting because this is what your giving us to work with.

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

wargames wrote:

Nalod wrote:High post Zinger triangle with Low post Monroe and Melo on the perimeter with full toolbox grant and Schved/Galloway/Calderone wide ass open is a pretty good thing. Think Pau and Andrew Bynum movement.

Bring back Bargs to start and Zinger off the Bench.

Keep barg far away from KP..... It sounds like West is the guy they are bring in so just let Barg leave.

although bring Bargs back would be good just to see starkewing and holfresh explode lol

gotta take your meds fish. I had mire of a ptoblem with calderon than bargs

Give me some of yours there capt. bi-polar... you seemed to have settled down after bouncing off the walls like a 12 year old girl after a One Direction show last night.

That being said it was entertaining to watch

biploar. What are you 12. Anyway i liked the draft last night especially the grant trade

42... you mentioned I need meds but I call you bipolar and you cant take it? You liked the draft last night? Weird.. I wasnt posting, just reading you but you posted in several threads about what a terrible pick it was, that Phil most go and what a joke this is. Did you delete those posts? Just calling it like I see it dude. You wrote the words. All I did was read them

phil did the right thing. Took the BPA on his board. I absolutely love the grant trade that was a steal. The 2nd round pick i dont know much about but so far phil has done good

Ok... so I found the draft thread hilarious. People are all over the place. Funny to hear you say "Phil did the right thing"

Here are your first 9 posts in the draft thread before someone called you a debbie downer (which you got pissy about)

Porzingis is darko 2. Take mudiay or winslow

Knicks are a ****ing joke

Toronto or denver is getting a lottery pick next year

Trade the pick i hope

Phil might as well resign at this point. We got darko or frederic weis

big difference between being a coach and a good gm

so far only the knicks look bad

knicks are known to be the dumbest organization. Minny la and philly thanked us for winning the last two games. Now denver benefits

i hate riley but he is a proven gm phil isnt yet

Maybe you should go back and read your first NINE posts and give me any reason I should ever read anything you write on this forum as anything but childish reactionary fodder. You make 9 posts like the above, then get mad when someone calls you debbie downer. You make posts like the above, tell me take my meds and your constantly saying crap like "calm down fish" and you get pissy when I call you bi-polar, which is exactly how you act on this forum.

Sorry dude, I dont know you as a person, but maybe you want to review what your posting because this is what your giving us to work with.

i was having a bad day yesterday had nothing to do with the draft. Cant we just move on and discuss knicks. Im happy with what they did

StarksEwing1 wrote: i was having a bad day yesterday had nothing to do with the draft. Cant we just move on and discuss knicks. Im happy with what they did

not here to rake guys over the coals. But you didnt warm, you did a total 180. I could care less but you get snippy at me and tell me to take my meds and calm down but you should take your own advice dude.

If your a Knick fan Im glad your warm to the pick. I have no clue if he's great or not. I think he was probably the highest upside guy there, and not nearly the project some make him out to be. The rest will be up to KP and the Knicks staff. Hopefully it works out for us. He could disappoint. He's a gym rat, seems like a high character guy and someone who has a chip on his shoulder and wants to prove his naysayers wrong. Those are things that I like

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote: i was having a bad day yesterday had nothing to do with the draft. Cant we just move on and discuss knicks. Im happy with what they did

not here to rake guys over the coals. But you didnt warm, you did a total 180. I could care less but you get snippy at me and tell me to take my meds and calm down but you should take your own advice dude.

If your a Knick fan Im glad your warm to the pick. I have no clue if he's great or not. I think he was probably the highest upside guy there, and not nearly the project some make him out to be. The rest will be up to KP and the Knicks staff. Hopefully it works out for us. He could disappoint. He's a gym rat, seems like a high character guy and someone who has a chip on his shoulder and wants to prove his naysayers wrong. Those are things that I like

i apologize if you were insulted it was just a joke. Anyway i wouldnt say i did a 180. I liked kris a lot before the draft but i felt winslow or mudiay fit better. However when we got grant i liked the pick better. Im actually a good guy fish just had a rough day it happens to us all

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think Monroe and Porzingis would be a bad fit defensively.

Might be why the Knicks are targeting David West now. That makes more sense to me.

Also, let's be real - does anyone think Porzingis is playing more than 20 minutes a night in year one? He really should not be.

Lets see. He played 20 mpg in the Euro league and put up 10/5 a block a steal and shot 50% and very well from 3 and that was against grown men. Oh wait.. those are Karl Town's stats and he put those up against 6'7 kids in inferior programs.

This notion that KP is light years behind the NCAA guys doesnt jive. I just dont see it. Im sure he's got big NBA adjustments, but Phil isnt going to take this guy and not put him in a position to succeed.

Fair enough. But I still think it'd be foolhardy to assume he's going to come in and start right away, right? I think it's fair to say that 20 minutes a night his first year in the NBA is a fair expectation, right? I didn't love the pick, but I'm coming around to it. (For the record, I think Towns will be in a similar boat minutes-wise, though his performances in Feb/Mar showed he could handle a bigger minutes load and put up 20 and 10 if needed.)

I'm willing to wait and see on Porzingis. Obviously I'm not anything near a professional scout, just a dumb fan with opinions.

That said, I don't reallllly think I can see Monroe and Porzingis working defensively, particularly next to Melo. I think the shooting from KP will help both Melo and Monroe have room to operate on offense - but I'm not sure about the defensive side.

Maybe KP eventually develops into a more filled out pressence and he can play a sort of shot blocking defensive center role... I think both Monroe and Melo need that.

However, with the KP pick, I wonder if Phil will back off his interest in Monroe and focus on a shorter term offer to David West. West and Porzingis I could see working very well both defensively and offensively.

It's weird that David West is 35 - but he provides that thing this team so desperately lacks - leadership. Greg Monroe is a very very quiet type. I think he's good, but I think the Knicks need a vocal leader like West. We obviously know Melo is not one. And I think it'd be good for the Grants, KPs, Galloways, Earlys, etc of the team to have a good voice in the lockerroom.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think Monroe and Porzingis would be a bad fit defensively.

Might be why the Knicks are targeting David West now. That makes more sense to me.

Also, let's be real - does anyone think Porzingis is playing more than 20 minutes a night in year one? He really should not be.

I think we get Monroe and west. Great mix with porzingis off the bench for the first 2 years.

Starts to make sense doesnt it? Can you think of a better mentor/example for Monroe/Porzingis than David West? Show them how to play the right way. In two years Monroe/Zinga are 27/22

Just saw this post - yeah, I'm way more on board with West.

Bringing in Monroe and West is interesting - that was actually my first thought in the FA thread this morning. But that would be basically all the FA $$$ right there on those two guys. But that provides for a lot of versatility in the front court. Not a ton of versatility in the backcourt still, but with Grant and Galloway and Calderon and maybe Thanasis and Ledo, you've got some depth. I'd love to add one more 3 and D guy at SG.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote: i was having a bad day yesterday had nothing to do with the draft. Cant we just move on and discuss knicks. Im happy with what they did

not here to rake guys over the coals. But you didnt warm, you did a total 180. I could care less but you get snippy at me and tell me to take my meds and calm down but you should take your own advice dude.

If your a Knick fan Im glad your warm to the pick. I have no clue if he's great or not. I think he was probably the highest upside guy there, and not nearly the project some make him out to be. The rest will be up to KP and the Knicks staff. Hopefully it works out for us. He could disappoint. He's a gym rat, seems like a high character guy and someone who has a chip on his shoulder and wants to prove his naysayers wrong. Those are things that I like

i apologize if you were insulted it was just a joke. Anyway i wouldnt say i did a 180. I liked kris a lot before the draft but i felt winslow or mudiay fit better. However when we got grant i liked the pick better. Im actually a good guy fish just had a rough day it happens to us all

I believe you! hugs and beers

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote: i was having a bad day yesterday had nothing to do with the draft. Cant we just move on and discuss knicks. Im happy with what they did

not here to rake guys over the coals. But you didnt warm, you did a total 180. I could care less but you get snippy at me and tell me to take my meds and calm down but you should take your own advice dude.

If your a Knick fan Im glad your warm to the pick. I have no clue if he's great or not. I think he was probably the highest upside guy there, and not nearly the project some make him out to be. The rest will be up to KP and the Knicks staff. Hopefully it works out for us. He could disappoint. He's a gym rat, seems like a high character guy and someone who has a chip on his shoulder and wants to prove his naysayers wrong. Those are things that I like

i apologize if you were insulted it was just a joke. Anyway i wouldnt say i did a 180. I liked kris a lot before the draft but i felt winslow or mudiay fit better. However when we got grant i liked the pick better. Im actually a good guy fish just had a rough day it happens to us all

I believe you! hugs and beers

well beers for sure. Anyway do you think monroe is a good fit here

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think Monroe and Porzingis would be a bad fit defensively.

Might be why the Knicks are targeting David West now. That makes more sense to me.

Also, let's be real - does anyone think Porzingis is playing more than 20 minutes a night in year one? He really should not be.

I think we get Monroe and west. Great mix with porzingis off the bench for the first 2 years.

Starts to make sense doesnt it? Can you think of a better mentor/example for Monroe/Porzingis than David West? Show them how to play the right way. In two years Monroe/Zinga are 27/22

Just saw this post - yeah, I'm way more on board with West.

Bringing in Monroe and West is interesting - that was actually my first thought in the FA thread this morning. But that would be basically all the FA $$$ right there on those two guys. But that provides for a lot of versatility in the front court. Not a ton of versatility in the backcourt still, but with Grant and Galloway and Calderon and maybe Thanasis and Ledo, you've got some depth. I'd love to add one more 3 and D guy at SG.

this... and this is what I could see:
Starters:
C Monroe
Fs Melo/West
Gs Jose/Galloway
bench: KP/Grant/Early/Lance?/Ledo?

I like a Grant/Galloway backcourt for defense. Those guys will really get after it. Shved might be in the mix. Jose should bounce back.. remember he started on a 50 win Mavs team a whole whopping year ago....

Obvioulsy still tons of questions

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think Monroe and Porzingis would be a bad fit defensively.

Might be why the Knicks are targeting David West now. That makes more sense to me.

Also, let's be real - does anyone think Porzingis is playing more than 20 minutes a night in year one? He really should not be.

I think we get Monroe and west. Great mix with porzingis off the bench for the first 2 years.

Starts to make sense doesnt it? Can you think of a better mentor/example for Monroe/Porzingis than David West? Show them how to play the right way. In two years Monroe/Zinga are 27/22

Just saw this post - yeah, I'm way more on board with West.

Bringing in Monroe and West is interesting - that was actually my first thought in the FA thread this morning. But that would be basically all the FA $$$ right there on those two guys. But that provides for a lot of versatility in the front court. Not a ton of versatility in the backcourt still, but with Grant and Galloway and Calderon and maybe Thanasis and Ledo, you've got some depth. I'd love to add one more 3 and D guy at SG.

this... and this is what I could see:
Starters:
C Monroe
Fs Melo/West
Gs Jose/Galloway
bench: KP/Grant/Early/Lance?/Ledo?

I like a Grant/Galloway backcourt for defense. Those guys will really get after it. Shved might be in the mix. Jose should bounce back.. remember he started on a 50 win Mavs team a whole whopping year ago....

Obvioulsy still tons of questions

yep, that's pretty much the exact lineup I posted in the FA thread.

I'd love to be able to add a SG to that to help Galloway out... but yeah... I think Calderon / Galloway / Grant can be your three guards for the most part. Galloway and Grant can both play either PG or SG.

Yes, still questions, but some potential. It'd be nice to have a pick in 2016 to add to this mix, but there will at least be more cap room coming in 2016 to add some depth at guard and behind Melo.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote: i was having a bad day yesterday had nothing to do with the draft. Cant we just move on and discuss knicks. Im happy with what they did

not here to rake guys over the coals. But you didnt warm, you did a total 180. I could care less but you get snippy at me and tell me to take my meds and calm down but you should take your own advice dude.

If your a Knick fan Im glad your warm to the pick. I have no clue if he's great or not. I think he was probably the highest upside guy there, and not nearly the project some make him out to be. The rest will be up to KP and the Knicks staff. Hopefully it works out for us. He could disappoint. He's a gym rat, seems like a high character guy and someone who has a chip on his shoulder and wants to prove his naysayers wrong. Those are things that I like

i apologize if you were insulted it was just a joke. Anyway i wouldnt say i did a 180. I liked kris a lot before the draft but i felt winslow or mudiay fit better. However when we got grant i liked the pick better. Im actually a good guy fish just had a rough day it happens to us all

I believe you! hugs and beers

well beers for sure. Anyway do you think monroe is a good fit here

at center yes. I like his age, passing and rebounding. I like his size. Not the highest motor but a good tringle fit. He never missed games. His post offense is OK, but lets see if that improves with floor spacing. He's a very high character guy. If you poke over on realGM even his haters admit a few things... 1) he played out of position at PF 2) he's a great guy and good person and someone everyone likes to root for 3) he's a good player, just not the right fit

Im hoping Bargs is hungry, healthy and over what ever has kept him down.
Im hoping the triangle suits his game and he is solid in the system!!!
I like west and he is a solid guy, but Im rooting for Bargs to do well and in a knick uniform.

Nalod wrote:Im hoping Bargs is hungry, healthy and over what ever has kept him down.
Im hoping the triangle suits his game and he is solid in the system!!!
I like west and he is a solid guy, but Im rooting for Bargs to do well and in a knick uniform.

why are you rooting for Bargs?

why not just cut ties? He has stunk and he has stunk for a long time.

Monroe is not my ideal choice but we have to deal with reality. There is no big-time marquee free agent who is coming this way. Monroe is probably the best realistic option. He's a good passer out of the post and his style would seem a compliment to Porzingis. A key factor is that they are both young. If they are thinking of these two to go along with Grant - then you have some sort of future foundation. The key element that has never been emphasized with the Knicks is player development. Whatever time Phil is here, that would be the best type of focus he could leave behind. The key is patience which the NY fan base doesn't have. Given the reality, the Knicks should focus their remaining options on getting long, athletic defenders to compliment Melo and the bigs. Shot-blocking is the last line of defense but the Knicks should first focus on the perimeter with ball pressure and the ability to switch in space and contain penetration. West would be a great leadership addition to the bigs but there's not enough $$$ u8nless he and Monroe can be talked into taking less.