Knicks · Jackson on Mike and Mike...Somewhat Lame Regarding the Draft (page 1)

Not much new stuff here. M & M did not discuss specific players with him on either the draft or FA. Claimed they had limited time. No question about Isiah.

One intriguing comment he made: going into the draft is that he feels the team already has its "lead guard" and SF.

I almost get the feeling that finding guys who will, want, and can, play the Triangle is as much of a filter, as anything else. He mentioned that Chicago set a record from 3 in a game at one point. You get the feeling that he equates the Triangle with teamwork and team play, and nothing more, and that he feels the offense offers an opportunity for guys to come in and have a larger role.

You figure that anyone he drafts will have to be a player who can play within the Triangle concept.

Not sure he ever addressed Anthony's role in the Triangle, other than to say they need his D and rebounding, and M & M never questioned him about Anthony wanting to play in the system.

I just typed as I listened...sorry if it is not that organized

Though there was a malaise early in the season because of all the 4th loses early in the season.

"Pulled plug in January" but did not elaborate on what that meant. Did say he knew that "Losing part of the equation"
His goal after pulling the plug was to put together a team out there that can play together.

Shedding excess salaries done for FA (no Calderon comeback question, though by M & M) No question about getting more back for his trades.

Still says Triangle benefits players...no guys in corner waiting for 3s

Full range of options is better for all players, and they feel they can participate. Really equates the Triangle with a certain kind of player.

Understands the Jordan big scorer route, but...

M & M said that Phil's All inclusive system is under 3pt analytics attack Triangle is from the past-

Phil- Why would basketball change... you should take advantage of the 3,and Phil’s teams also exploited the 3. Important, but not the end all.

Carmelo needs to be more active- You need a prolific scorer, but you also need his D and rebounding. Therapy and recovery going well. Looks at his flexibility 3/4.

Does Phil have commitment to the job? Phil thinks the criticism is baseless.

Who you taking at 4? Don’t know who will fall. Covered at lead guard and SF

Enough talent there to find a starter.

Steve Mills/Phil- Phil- has 5 yr contract-takes time to turn around-he wants to be here.

Steve taking over the operation will not be a big deal.

Wow, this is actually somewhat terrifying.

In what way is this team "covered" at lead guard.

The more Phil talks, the more he sounds like a dinosaur intent on proving that dinosaurs once ruled the planet.

I fear for this draft.

crzymdups wrote:Wow, this is actually somewhat terrifying.

In what way is this team "covered" at lead guard.

The more Phil talks, the more he sounds like a dinosaur intent on proving that dinosaurs once ruled the planet.

I fear for this draft.

I think he's talking about the fact that he never has had anyone you would consider outstanding at PG. If Fisher can play that position then Galloway is just fine. It's not a premiere position in the Triangle. Everyone gets worked up thinking we have to find a PG but it's the SG spot that really is the key.

Phil was last in the league in 2011 and he took the job in 2014. It's not like he was out for 10 years and totally ignored the game. Heck he was in conversations to take the Laker job again in 2012 before they settled on MDA. So it's not really a long stretch where he was completely out of touch with the NBA.

that whole answer could of been a smoke screen or Phil is ok with Gallo and Calderon at PG.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Wow, this is actually somewhat terrifying.

In what way is this team "covered" at lead guard.

The more Phil talks, the more he sounds like a dinosaur intent on proving that dinosaurs once ruled the planet.

I fear for this draft.

I think he's talking about the fact that he never has had anyone you would consider outstanding at PG. If Fisher can play that position then Galloway is just fine. It's not a premiere position in the Triangle. Everyone gets worked up thinking we have to find a PG but it's the SG spot that really is the key.

Phil was last in the league in 2011 and he took the job in 2014. It's not like he was out for 10 years and totally ignored the game. Heck he was in conversations to take the Laker job again in 2012 before they settled on MDA. So it's not really a long stretch where he was completely out of touch with the NBA.

Looking at his roster moves and everything he's done and said so far, it seems like he is out of touch.

This team is barren at guard - I like Langston Galloway, but name a playoffs team he would start for?

And also barren in the front court.

We have Melo and maybe Galloway. If Phil is considering Jose Calderon a player who the lead guard position "covered" this team is in deep deep trouble.

crzymdups wrote:Wow, this is actually somewhat terrifying.

In what way is this team "covered" at lead guard.

The more Phil talks, the more he sounds like a dinosaur intent on proving that dinosaurs once ruled the planet.

I fear for this draft.

Pretty sure I got that right, because it did catch my attention.

Yet a guy like Russell, for example, can be an excellent "off guard" although I don't know that Phil call the position. If we were to envision us getting Russell, I would not want him using all of his effort playing a traditional PG all the time.

I thought Langston wore himself down with what he had to do on offense and defense. I would not want a guy like Russell using his energy in this way, and I don't think Kobe and MJ were used in that way.

I felt that there were things all of us would have asked him that they did not address- presumably because of the time factor.

They made a joke when they asked him who he would take at 4- they knew he would not say anything, but I think they could have touched on specific players or at least the kind of things he looks for at certain positions, although you know that he would only give you vague comments about this or that player.

I was disappointed with the questioners, not Jackson.

I'm a teacher, and being able to ask a probing question and then a good followup is something I understand. It is obvious that M & M missed a chance to squeeze Phil a bit, even though he would have deflected certain questions as he has been apt to do.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Wow, this is actually somewhat terrifying.

In what way is this team "covered" at lead guard.

The more Phil talks, the more he sounds like a dinosaur intent on proving that dinosaurs once ruled the planet.

I fear for this draft.

I think he's talking about the fact that he never has had anyone you would consider outstanding at PG. If Fisher can play that position then Galloway is just fine. It's not a premiere position in the Triangle. Everyone gets worked up thinking we have to find a PG but it's the SG spot that really is the key.

Phil was last in the league in 2011 and he took the job in 2014. It's not like he was out for 10 years and totally ignored the game. Heck he was in conversations to take the Laker job again in 2012 before they settled on MDA. So it's not really a long stretch where he was completely out of touch with the NBA.

Looking at his roster moves and everything he's done and said so far, it seems like he is out of touch.

This team is barren at guard - I like Langston Galloway, but name a playoffs team he would start for?

And also barren in the front court.

We have Melo and maybe Galloway. If Phil is considering Jose Calderon a player who the lead guard position "covered" this team is in deep deep trouble.

Galloway, hard to believe, might have started for the Cavs... he is more suited as a SG, anyway, and you know he could have shot better than what they put out there,and he's respectable on the defensive end.

He's kind of trapped in regard to Calderon, lets face it, and that is a player we would all be asking him about if we had interviewed him.

Don't know what Phil think about Shved at this time and...

...Who knows how he views Russell in terms the Triangle, but it would give him an opportunity to get his shots, assuming that Anthony is sold on the system.

Maybe this means Winslow is the player. Good slasher and defender, and probably a better passer than some give him credit for being.

He might be the kind of unselfish guy he is looking at. Phil did make reference to Anthony's ability to play the 3 or 4, at one point in the interview.

If Phil expects to get a starter from the draft, and Winslow is the guy, you might have to have Winslow/Anthony as your 3/4, which means Monroe might be out at 5, because a front line of Winslow/Anthony/Monroe would give you no interior D, although it could be an interesting offensive lineup if Winslow's shooting is polished up a bit.

it's more likely if winslow is drafted.. that he starts at the 2... and plays some 3.. same with melo.. starts at 3 and plays some 4...

galloway fits the triangle pg role to a T.. he's just like paxson, armstrong, fisher... good d/good from 3.. low mistake player...

FistOfOakley wrote:it's more likely if winslow is drafted.. that he starts at the 2... and plays some 3.. same with melo.. starts at 3 and plays some 4...

galloway fits the triangle pg role to a T.. he's just like paxson, armstrong, fisher... good d/good from 3.. low mistake player...

Agree with the assessment I could see this scenario, too, and in Winslow you might have a guy who could actually guard James at some point.

this is horrifying stuff. set at lead guard?

anrst wrote:this is horrifying stuff. set at lead guard?

of course we are ... shved

I want to be optimistic, but I'm worried what the next few years will look like.

Are we going to bypass talent simply because its not smart enough to play in the triangle?

Would Stephen Curry or LeBron James fit the triangle?

We have 1 draft pick this year, none next year. We have cap room and a roster full of question marks. We're not set anywhere.

Melo is a giant question mark. Does he recover, or does he become Amar'e Stoudemire 2.0?

Melo has a ton of minutes on his body - look at what Kobe has down - hurt the last 2 years.

The human body can only put up with so much damage before it breaks.

We won 17 games last year. We probably should expect that at best, healthy, lucky, we're doubling that and anything better is gravy.

wargames wrote:that whole answer could of been a smoke screen or Phil is ok with Gallo and Calderon at PG.

Smoke screen. He ain't no fool. Not going to give up any real information a few days before draft, Loose lips sink ships.

franco12 wrote:I want to be optimistic, but I'm worried what the next few years will look like.

Are we going to bypass talent simply because its not smart enough to play in the triangle?

Would Stephen Curry or LeBron James fit the triangle?

We have 1 draft pick this year, none next year. We have cap room and a roster full of question marks. We're not set anywhere.

Melo is a giant question mark. Does he recover, or does he become Amar'e Stoudemire 2.0?

Melo has a ton of minutes on his body - look at what Kobe has down - hurt the last 2 years.

The human body can only put up with so much damage before it breaks.

We won 17 games last year. We probably should expect that at best, healthy, lucky, we're doubling that and anything better is gravy.

he flat out said they were taking BPA...

People get too caught up in stuff like this. This is a man that has had prolific scoring from his SG/SF spots and PF/C spots. He has never really had a big time player at the PG spot. A 3nD PG is pretty much the prototypical lead guard for Phil. He doesn't want a Ball Dominant PG. In reality he likes playing 2 guards who can pass and score and of course defend. He doesn't need a guard that has to pound the ball in order to be effective. A guard that can also Post up like Jordan or Kobe is fine but he doesn't want just pounding the ball and no other movement or passing.

Could definitely be a smokescreen....might be hinting to teams in love with Porzingis that we're willing to pounce on him at #4 if the big 3 are off the table...(to get teams to try to trade up with us).

Honestly though, who knows with Phil? Thank god we're only a few days away at this point.

nixluva wrote:People get too caught up in stuff like this. This is a man that has had prolific scoring from his SG/SF spots and PF/C spots. He has never really had a big time player at the PG spot. A 3nD PG is pretty much the prototypical lead guard for Phil. He doesn't want a Ball Dominant PG. In reality he likes playing 2 guards who can pass and score and of course defend. He doesn't need a guard that has to pound the ball in order to be effective. A guard that can also Post up like Jordan or Kobe is fine but he doesn't want just pounding the ball and no other movement or passing.

So Russell isn't a good fit??

FistOfOakley wrote:it's more likely if winslow is drafted.. that he starts at the 2... and plays some 3.. same with melo.. starts at 3 and plays some 4...

galloway fits the triangle pg role to a T.. he's just like paxson, armstrong, fisher... good d/good from 3.. low mistake player...

+1

Seems like the likeliest scenario. Also, i think he considers us set at lead guard because of the combination of Calderon and Galloway, not just Calderon himself. He must really view Galloway as the ideal triangle player, and with these 2 splitting the minutes at that position, we could be much worse off. As long as Calderon is healthier this year and Galloway improves from a solid rookie year, we should be ok. Winslow at SG is a good move too.

Knixkik wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:it's more likely if winslow is drafted.. that he starts at the 2... and plays some 3.. same with melo.. starts at 3 and plays some 4...

galloway fits the triangle pg role to a T.. he's just like paxson, armstrong, fisher... good d/good from 3.. low mistake player...

+1

Seems like the likeliest scenario. Also, i think he considers us set at lead guard because of the combination of Calderon and Galloway, not just Calderon himself. He must really view Galloway as the ideal triangle player, and with these 2 splitting the minutes at that position, we could be much worse off. As long as Calderon is healthier this year and Galloway improves from a solid rookie year, we should be ok. Winslow at SG is a good move too.

Who knows what they've seen of Galloway in the off-season.

Jackson has always had this type of guard on his teams, but he's also been lucky enough to have two of the greatest shooting guards of all time.

I think Winslow fits more into the Pippen/Ron Harper role than the kind of SGs Phil has liked over the years.

Who knows what Winslow showed in our workouts, though. I have no idea what they put these guys through- he might have showed off some things they were not expecting to see.

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:People get too caught up in stuff like this. This is a man that has had prolific scoring from his SG/SF spots and PF/C spots. He has never really had a big time player at the PG spot. A 3nD PG is pretty much the prototypical lead guard for Phil. He doesn't want a Ball Dominant PG. In reality he likes playing 2 guards who can pass and score and of course defend. He doesn't need a guard that has to pound the ball in order to be effective. A guard that can also Post up like Jordan or Kobe is fine but he doesn't want just pounding the ball and no other movement or passing.

So Russell isn't a good fit??

Russell is a perfect fit!!! He's a Combo guard which is what you would want. A guard that has size and scoring but can function well off the ball as well as with the ball. He's not a pure PG. He's a scoring guard and would be put in the Kobe/MJ role and not the Fisher/Paxson/Kerr role.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:People get too caught up in stuff like this. This is a man that has had prolific scoring from his SG/SF spots and PF/C spots. He has never really had a big time player at the PG spot. A 3nD PG is pretty much the prototypical lead guard for Phil. He doesn't want a Ball Dominant PG. In reality he likes playing 2 guards who can pass and score and of course defend. He doesn't need a guard that has to pound the ball in order to be effective. A guard that can also Post up like Jordan or Kobe is fine but he doesn't want just pounding the ball and no other movement or passing.

So Russell isn't a good fit??

Russell is a perfect fit!!! He's a Combo guard which is what you would want. A guard that has size and scoring but can function well off the ball as well as with the ball. He's not a pure PG. He's a scoring guard and would be put in the Kobe/MJ role and not the Fisher/Paxson/Kerr role.

Steve Mills might be taking over sooner rather than later....Phil might have a heart attack if we get Russell.

Russell is the only guy in the draft who might fit the Kobe/MJ role, and I also think that he is young enough to physically mature into a tier 2 superior athlete.

You look at his frame, and you can see that he can easily put on the extra muscle- and he's already talked about the fitness things he been doing.

He's worked with the same folks who train the Towns and Stein, and they really work on your strength, or so it would seem from looking at the beefcake shots they had of Towns and Stein showing their muscles.

Pretty amazing if he slips to us...but not impossible.