Knicks · Porzingis "Injury" and Knicks Workout (page 2)

knicks1248 wrote:look how many bigs are drafted and cant play at all, and your taking these injuries lightly nix

Phil said KrisP caught a cramp. That's not an injury. I don't know how Phil really feels about KrisP, but he said that he's looking for mature players who can come in and contribute. I don't know that he wants a super young player that needs years of nurturing. If he feels KrisP is too far away then he'll go with one of Winslow, WCS or Kaminsky IMO.

Moonangie wrote:Zinger would be a solid pick at #4. I still prefer Russell (if he drops) or Mudiay, over Zinger. But won't be unhappy with any of those three. If we trade down, I'd need it to be for an insane deal (e.g., #'s 6&7 in the Denver/Sac thread).

I would be upset with ANY other pick at #4 (assuming OK4/Towns are gone).

knicks1248 wrote:How come phil doesn't make some kind of deal with the LAKERS(since philly is on that Bull sht)....If they swap picks, and the knicks Nab DR at 2, theres no way the 76ers will draft another big, and OK4 will be there for LA anyway..we can give the lakers calderon and the #4 for their number #2..

Ah-huh, and then Philly takes The guy who was projected to be #1 all year, because of the pressure and because he had magically dropped, and then Jeanie gets mad and then Phil doesn't get laid for a month and then everything goes to $hit. . .

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think if anything, this is Phil's way of trying to get Philly or someone to trade up to take Porzingis at #3 so he can nab D'Angelo Russell or Okafor. Or trying to entice teams to trade up to #4 to get Porzingis.

yeah ... all other GM's are really dumb and fall for this reverse psych sh1t

Well Philly does not have to trade up to get Porzingis because they are ahead of us.

Hinkie supposedly found out that Orlando really wanted Payton and took him knowing that Orlando would come begging, and he managed to leverage some assets from them in the trade they made.

Just some pre-draft maneuvering and posturing, which is always a good thing because it puts doubt in people's minds.

The way I look at it is that just a couple of days ago he was talking about trading out if OK4 was not there, despite the fact that everyone we were interested in had been worked out already.

We all pretty much know that he would love to have Russell running his offense, and I don't think there are many on UK who would be that upset if Russell fall into our lap. We actually went through the entire secret workout ordeal and Russell stomach cramps thing, clearly sending out an indication that we are interested, but picking Russell still depends on Philly letting him pass.

Then we have a pretty sudden workout with Porzingis, who has been reported to be cold about going to Philly, and is more interested in LA, Orlando, or the Knicks, a team he once talked about in an article. He worked out for LA, and as far as I know, went to Orlando for an interview, but did not work out.

Now we hear that Jackson is almost positive that he will keep the pick at 4, and we learn about it after Porzingis was unable to finish his workout.

“We had to change the workout,’’ Jackson said. “He had a cramp in the middle of it. He did go through the workup with the medical staff that was impressive.’’

Means that they medically examined him, which only 2 other teams have done so far. If he does not work out with Philly, they can't examine him, which is something teams have to do before drafting someone.

We know that Phil would love to get OK4, but he seems to know that the Lakers will take him. Saying that there is only a 5% chance of making a trade with the 4 tells me that he is happy taking Russell or Porzingis. Could be lying about this, but the timing is relevant, IMO, and until know he's never given a more certain comment about keeping the pick.

Still believe there is a possibility that we trade down if Porzingis is there and we get blown away by an offer that still allows us to get a guy like Kaminsky or Winslow and a pick for next year, but he seems more certain about his willingness to go with the two guys who will probably be there at 4.

Only time will tell, though.

knicks1248 wrote:How come phil doesn't make some kind of deal with the LAKERS(since philly is on that Bull sht)....If they swap picks, and the knicks Nab DR at 2, theres no way the 76ers will draft another big, and OK4 will be there for LA anyway..we can give the lakers calderon and the #4 for their number #2..

I have a thread that speaks strictly about that

knicks1248 wrote:How come phil doesn't make some kind of deal with the LAKERS(since philly is on that Bull sht)....If they swap picks, and the knicks Nab DR at 2, theres no way the 76ers will draft another big, and OK4 will be there for LA anyway..we can give the lakers calderon and the #4 for their number #2..

LA loses control of their own fate if they think this way, IMO. You could never assume that OK4 would still be there.

I saw a forum a number of weeks ago where a Philly poster expressed concern that we would somehow trade up with LA to take Russell.

That kid Saric is not coming over this year, and who knows if you can could on Embiid in the future. They might be interested in going big, even though it seems foolish to me.

Supposedly Hinkie will take the BPA, whoever that is, although if I was a Sixer's fan I would start doubting the guy if he passes on Russell.

My gut tells me all the rest of this might be a smoke screen to conceal our intent to snag Mudiay.

Moonangie wrote:If we don't get Russell, let's take Mudiay and roll the dice on him being the next superstar (a la John Wall, Kobe, etc.)

My gut tells me all the rest of this might be a smoke screen to conceal our intent to snag Mudiay.

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:How come phil doesn't make some kind of deal with the LAKERS(since philly is on that Bull sht)....If they swap picks, and the knicks Nab DR at 2, theres no way the 76ers will draft another big, and OK4 will be there for LA anyway..we can give the lakers calderon and the #4 for their number #2..

I have a thread that speaks strictly about that

WaltLongmire wrote:

Moonangie wrote:If we don't get Russell, let's take Mudiay and roll the dice on him being the next superstar (a la John Wall, Kobe, etc.)

My gut tells me all the rest of this might be a smoke screen to conceal our intent to snag Mudiay.

Fraschilla, who likes Mudiay, said he had heard his Knicks' workout did not go great. Don't know how much the Knicks consider the workouts, though.

It was the classic "if you're at 4 we'll take you" situation. Phil would have known that if Porzingis was there at 4, the guys he really wanted- OK4 and Russell, were gone.

We know Phil has the Triangle Talk with everyone, so you figure he did well there.

We also know that he had his boy Clarence Gaines watching him play in Europe- this is guy who scouted Galloway and brought him to Phil's attention.

This was not an uninformed decision.

BRIGGS wrote:My bet is Isiah was in on this workout and the pick.

BRIGGS wrote:My bet is Isiah was in on this workout and the pick.

Phil probably had him tailed by MSG secret agents and knew his every movement like JFK used to have Jackie followed while playing around on her.

BRIGGS wrote:My bet is Isiah was in on this workout and the pick.

wrong as usual