Knicks · Kaminsky moves up to a 4-9 range on ESPN Chad Fords mock (page 1)

BRIGGS @ 6/25/2015 12:49 PM
Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 3h3 hours ago

2. Frank the Tank is on fire. Phil Jackson loves him. So does Vlade Divac. Michael Jordan won't pass on him at 9. 4-9 his new range.

wh4t @ 6/25/2015 12:54 PM
Kaminsky baby

lets go

I've been a consistent supporter since last winter. He's destined to be a Knick

WaltLongmire @ 6/25/2015 1:02 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 3h3 hours ago

2. Frank the Tank is on fire. Phil Jackson loves him. So does Vlade Divac. Michael Jordan won't pass on him at 9. 4-9 his new range.

Good for Kaminskyi if true.

All the workouts are over and teams are going over their notes and videos of the guys they worked out, and suddenly each team's talent evaluators are looking at each other and thinking:

Smart, great shooter, good rebounder, can pass, well coached, good NCAA pedigree, legit 7', and he's busted his butt to work on his body.

I've continued to say that I'm amazed at how he's been overlooked as a player- especially by folks on UK.

Funny- is he a similar player to Divac? Maybe he sees a bit of himself in Frank's game?

crzymdups @ 6/25/2015 1:03 PM
I'll have to remember to lock my windows tonight so it'll be harder to jump out of them if the Knicks take this guy 4th overall.
NYKBocker @ 6/25/2015 1:15 PM
H1AND1 @ 6/25/2015 1:30 PM
crzymdups wrote:I'll have to remember to lock my windows tonight so it'll be harder to jump out of them if the Knicks take this guy 4th overall.

Yes I just went to Duane Reade to buy a tongue guard so I dont bite mine off when Im seizing out on the carpet tonight...

technomaster @ 6/25/2015 1:32 PM
This draft thing is kind of funny. You can have players "look the part" but end up being complete busts... then you can have guys like Frank that just don't pass the eye test become among the very best.

Case in point, the NBA draft makes big mistakes on all-star big men. How did Marc Gasol (perhaps the best center in the NBA today) end up being a 2nd rounder, the 48th overall pick in 2007? The only player in that draft who is definitively better is Kevin Durant. The only other players who can even make a (weak) case are Al Horford, Joakim Noah, and Mike Conley. It's pretty astounding. The Knicks ended up picking Wilson Chandler at #23 in that draft - plus traded for Jared Jordan (picked 45th overall).

Again, the mental aspect is just as important as raw physical attributes/athleticism at the NBA level. And that's something that's hard to measure. And with that, you can still have the right brain type, but if you're born with the wrong body, you're still going to be limited.

Enjoy.

SupremeCommander @ 6/25/2015 1:34 PM
H1AND1 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I'll have to remember to lock my windows tonight so it'll be harder to jump out of them if the Knicks take this guy 4th overall.

Yes I just went to Duane Reade to buy a tongue guard so I dont bite mine off when Im seizing out on the carpet tonight...

I love Frank... I put $100 on Wisconsin at 8:1 to win the tourney in Vegas at 8:1... why reach? I don't trust Chad Ford's journalism ability

crzymdups @ 6/25/2015 1:37 PM
technomaster wrote:This draft thing is kind of funny. You can have players "look the part" but end up being complete busts... then you can have guys like Frank that just don't pass the eye test become among the very best.

Case in point, the NBA draft makes big mistakes on all-star big men. How did Marc Gasol (perhaps the best center in the NBA today) end up being a 2nd rounder, the 48th overall pick in 2007? The only player in that draft who is definitively better is Kevin Durant. The only other players who can even make a (weak) case are Al Horford, Joakim Noah, and Mike Conley. It's pretty astounding. The Knicks ended up picking Wilson Chandler at #23 in that draft - plus traded for Jared Jordan (picked 45th overall).

Again, the mental aspect is just as important as raw physical attributes/athleticism at the NBA level. And that's something that's hard to measure. And with that, you can still have the right brain type, but if you're born with the wrong body, you're still going to be limited.

Enjoy.

I think Scalabrini is a fair comp for Kaminsky.

crzymdups @ 6/25/2015 1:39 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I'll have to remember to lock my windows tonight so it'll be harder to jump out of them if the Knicks take this guy 4th overall.

Yes I just went to Duane Reade to buy a tongue guard so I dont bite mine off when Im seizing out on the carpet tonight...

I love Frank... I put $100 on Wisconsin at 8:1 to win the tourney in Vegas at 8:1... why reach? I don't trust Chad Ford's journalism ability

Oh, I agree that Chad Ford has no journalistic ability. He's trying to hype international players so he keeps getting to go on scouting trips to spain and italy. He's so often so wrong on draft stuff that it is astounding that ESPN leaves him as their draft guru.

I think Frank can be a decent player in the NBA - he reminds me a lot of Kelly Olynyk, who is not terrible. But if the Knicks take him at 4, I think it will work out about as well as your bet on Wisconsin to win the tournie. Close but no cigar. (No offnse)

SwishAndDish13 @ 6/25/2015 1:40 PM
H1AND1 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I'll have to remember to lock my windows tonight so it'll be harder to jump out of them if the Knicks take this guy 4th overall.

Yes I just went to Duane Reade to buy a tongue guard so I dont bite mine off when Im seizing out on the carpet tonight...

+1

H1AND1 @ 6/25/2015 1:45 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I'll have to remember to lock my windows tonight so it'll be harder to jump out of them if the Knicks take this guy 4th overall.

Yes I just went to Duane Reade to buy a tongue guard so I dont bite mine off when Im seizing out on the carpet tonight...

I love Frank... I put $100 on Wisconsin at 8:1 to win the tourney in Vegas at 8:1... why reach? I don't trust Chad Ford's journalism ability

Chad Ford is a douche. What does that have to do with anything? Kaminsky will be a nice role player. To take him at #4 is a disaster, IMO. Well see in a couple years who is right. I could be wrong! And Ill be fine admitting it! I just don't see anything more than a 2nd team/rotation player.

fishmike @ 6/25/2015 1:46 PM
Frank reminds me too much of Evan Turner. Wonderfully skilled do-all player with high IQ. Wait.. suddenly he's everyone he's playing against is stronger and more athletic and game got harder fast.
crzymdups @ 6/25/2015 1:46 PM
fishmike wrote:Frank reminds me too much of Evan Turner. Wonderfully skilled do-all player with high IQ. Wait.. suddenly he's everyone he's playing against is stronger and more athletic and game got harder fast.

+1

SupremeCommander @ 6/25/2015 1:53 PM
H1AND1 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I'll have to remember to lock my windows tonight so it'll be harder to jump out of them if the Knicks take this guy 4th overall.

Yes I just went to Duane Reade to buy a tongue guard so I dont bite mine off when Im seizing out on the carpet tonight...

I love Frank... I put $100 on Wisconsin at 8:1 to win the tourney in Vegas at 8:1... why reach? I don't trust Chad Ford's journalism ability

Chad Ford is a douche. What does that have to do with anything? Kaminsky will be a nice role player. To take him at #4 is a disaster, IMO. Well see in a couple years who is right. I could be wrong! And Ill be fine admitting it! I just don't see anything more than a 2nd team/rotation player.

I am not talking about his being a douche... I am talking about his ability to pull BS from his ass

H1AND1 @ 6/25/2015 2:01 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I'll have to remember to lock my windows tonight so it'll be harder to jump out of them if the Knicks take this guy 4th overall.

Yes I just went to Duane Reade to buy a tongue guard so I dont bite mine off when Im seizing out on the carpet tonight...

I love Frank... I put $100 on Wisconsin at 8:1 to win the tourney in Vegas at 8:1... why reach? I don't trust Chad Ford's journalism ability

Chad Ford is a douche. What does that have to do with anything? Kaminsky will be a nice role player. To take him at #4 is a disaster, IMO. Well see in a couple years who is right. I could be wrong! And Ill be fine admitting it! I just don't see anything more than a 2nd team/rotation player.

I am not talking about his being a douche... I am talking about his ability to pull BS from his ass

No argument there. I see what you mean by the comment now.

dk7th @ 6/25/2015 2:06 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 3h3 hours ago

2. Frank the Tank is on fire. Phil Jackson loves him. So does Vlade Divac. Michael Jordan won't pass on him at 9. 4-9 his new range.

Good for Kaminskyi if true.

All the workouts are over and teams are going over their notes and videos of the guys they worked out, and suddenly each team's talent evaluators are looking at each other and thinking:

Smart, great shooter, good rebounder, can pass, well coached, good NCAA pedigree, legit 7', and he's busted his butt to work on his body.

I've continued to say that I'm amazed at how he's been overlooked as a player- especially by folks on UK.

Funny- is he a similar player to Divac? Maybe he sees a bit of himself in Frank's game?

i would prefer winslow because he's a two-way player, high character kid, leadership, and i think his ceiling will be all-star caliber. but i like kaminsky a whole bunch too-- he has all the tools the triangle needs, as well as the heart and the ambition and character, and also leadership ability. i would consider it a very successful draft if we got either player. then again, i think porzingis is going to be a good player too, although he may not have the makings of a leader.

winslow
kaminsky
porzingis

Nalod @ 6/25/2015 2:08 PM
Heard him this morning and he has Mundiay "parked" at the 4 cuz he don't know where to put him.

Im not gonna sweat Frank at the 4 until it would happen. Why indict Phil for something he has yet to do? Why indict him for not being part of a cousins deal when he might not even want the guy?
All we know is what we read and today eyeballs on the internet are whats being sold more than any solid news. Just talk.

TPercy @ 6/25/2015 2:14 PM
Kaminsky is really growing on me. Aside from his defense and lack of strength, he excels in every other area of the game. Trade down and grab this guy.
WaltLongmire @ 6/25/2015 2:16 PM
Villanova coach feels that Kaminsky is the kind of player that Porzingis, to some extent, will be looking to be like, as he matures.

Likes him at 4.

Just an aside...He also commented that they have a 6'5" Soph on Nova who played against OK4 in HS and completely destroyed him.

Almost seemed to describe OK4 as a niche player, with one amazing skill- his post-up game.

RonRon @ 6/25/2015 2:18 PM
Kaminski would fit greatly with Bobcats and their roster just like McRoberts did when they had their best season
Marvin Williams is an undersized PF that could post up and shoot the 3pter as well which will be an expiring to allow Kaminski some time to adjust

With his maturity and age, he likely will be able to contribute more and faster than many other players that we would likely be selecting, maybe WCS depending on which team/system
He would fit well IMO with their style of play and talents they have, especially with Kemba PnR and Battum
Don't know what to expect of Al Jefferson at his age but Biyombo *improved much and solid defender/rebounder and built chemistry already* and Maxiell *for vet min type money* are both solid players as well

I don't think he passes 12 for sure
In fact I agree, he won't even pass the Bobcats with the trades they made, he would fit in with Kemba's ability to penetrate, along with the defenders/versatility of


The addition of Battum and MKG gives them 2 VERY GOOD WING DEFENDERS in addition to the development of PJ Hairston and a BIG PG in Brian Roberts that also needs to work on his 3pt shot and maybe some post up's
They kind of both can give similiar skill sets to a Pippens role together, though Pippen was able to play POINT/PF, Battum is highly skilled but just had a bad year due to torn ligaments in his shooting wrist


Battum (his worst career year due to injury to shooting wrist)
Very solid verastile player that can defend multiple position, play point/forward as 2nd/3rd ball handler as a Triple double threat with a pair of steals and blocks


MKG, needs to fill out his body and get stronger without losing quickenss/speed/athleticism, and work on a LEGIT WIDE OPEN 3pt game, possibly even add a mid range post game like Jordan


I think we will have a tough time matching up vs Bobcats this year, but lets see how we will out our roster, as they have many returning players with chemistry already as we likely will have new lineups that need to build chemistry and exectue a different system together
I really like PJ Hairson as well and Jeff Taylor has a qualifying offer that could be let go *had domestic abuse issues last season*

Think Jeff Taylor and Jeff Adrien could both be solid pickups for us, for the cheap
I also really agree with Briggs that we should look to acquire Shabazz Muhammad, along with some of their other younger talents like Dieng, with 2 early 2nd rounders as well in this draft
Twolves really are interested in KP and I believe they would have no problem drafted him had they slipped to 3 and allowing him to develop with their young core

Rubio has been injured much but if he can turn it around like Curry had earlier in his career, his ability to penetrate/finish/facilitate would open things up if their young athletic talents like Wiggons/KAT/Lavine could elevate their games and hit a wide open 3pter, with Pekovic/Dieng playing Center
Had Rubio stayed healhty, I believe Thad Young would have if in nicely, playing off the ball as a lefty/versatile F
Justin Hamilton due to injuries was starting to be a solid plyaer for a couple of games before he got injured and was picked up off waivers
Then there is also Kevin Martin, though I think he is a luxury that I wouldn't want for us till we are contenders, but not worth his salary currently for us...


They have a lot of young talent and likely would want to trade Pekovic to get rid of his salary
I would be interested in a player like Pekovic if we are not trying to contend next season and can obtain many pieces to get him, even Budinger, as he is a solid post presence/rebounder if healhty
Though I still would consider Pekovic and Budinger negative contracts, if we can trade Calderon, and acquire assets *only if there is a likely chance of having another amnesty in the works after next season, if things do not turn out right* Maybe they even would take our pick and give us their #1 and allow KP to develop with KG developping him and Flip Saunders along with talents like

Shabazz Muhammad
Dieng
picks 31 (1st pick in 2nd round)
picks 37

future draft picks


015 second round draft pick from Sacramento
Sacramento's 2015 2nd round pick to Minnesota (via Houston) [Houston-Sacramento, 9/17/2014; Houston-Minnesota-Philadelphia, 12/19/2014]

2016 second round draft pick from Houston
Houston's 2016 2nd round pick to Minnesota protected for selections 31-45 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Houston's obligation to Minnesota will be extinguished) [Houston-Minnesota-Philadelphia, 12/19/2014]

2017 second round draft pick from New Orleans
New Orleans' 2017 2nd round pick to Minnesota protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then New Orleans' obligation to Minnesota will be extinguished) [Minnesota-New Orleans, 7/13/2012]

2019 second round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 2019 2nd round pick to Minnesota (via Charlotte) [Charlotte-Miami, 6/26/2014; Charlotte-Minnesota, 2/10/2015]


http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/f...


We need many upgrades and young talent if we are going to sign veterans on controlled salaries and with KP, there is a possiblity that both Twolves and Knick's could come to a deal
IF Philly does not select KP themselves

I think they have to draft KAT over OK4 as they have 2 solid centers already and KAT is more versatile just like Wiggons/Parker last season
Some say Russell could be the 2nd pick, which I find very hard to believe, I think Lakers are just trying to see if a team is willing to overpay for whoever they can get with the 2nd pick to speed up their rebuilding process and they were very lucky to be able to develop Jordan Clarkson last year as a LATE 2nd rounder and possibly the steal of the draft


Twolves are very interested in KP as they view him as a possible KG type talent and I do not think it is possible for them to trade with us due to the difference of salaries of #1 pick and #4 pick
They know they need 1-2 more season and together as they have a young core and it would allow KP to develop as well


So maybe there is just a 2% chance or so of acquiring KAT, though we would likely need to acquire Pekovic in the process, and again, would need assets to come with it, along with the swap of Calderon on a lower salary

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