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2 nd rd picks for 35

BRIGGS wrote:2 nd rd picks for 35

That's a pretty steep price.

NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:2 nd rd picks for 35

That's a pretty steep price.

That's how I felt as well initially...then I look at tape of Henangomez and get pretty excited. This dude ain't some stiff man--he can play.

Finestrg wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:2 nd rd picks for 35

That's a pretty steep price.

That's how I felt as well initially...then I look at tape of Henangomez and get pretty excited. This dude ain't some stiff man--he can play.

Nice prospect... no idea of what, and how soon, he can contribute, but he's active and has some talent.

I really believe though, that he was not only picked for what he might be able to do on the court, but for what he will be able to do off the court as a friend, and maybe a confidant, of Porzingis.

He was taken close to where some pre-draft boards had him, but I don't think Jackson trades for him if he had not been a teammate and friend of Kristap from Spain.

Knowing the Knicks, these will probably be like late first round picks in the low 30s. Phil will be gone by then anyway though.

A few points here:

1. Henangomez was Porzingis' best friend on the team. This trade, to me, was equal parts triangle fit and Porzingis' insurance. So, I think it is incomplete to talk of Henangomez just regarding his talent. I think Henangomez is going to make life much better for Porzingis.

2. Henangomez is a smart player and was thought of as the future of Spanish Basketball at the center position. They compliment each other very very well. They are both intelligent players to boot. They can develop together.

So, I think this pick is not just to be judged on talent. That will be there, but the synergy of these two rookies COMBINED with their given talent, is more than Henangomez' talent alone (at least to the outside eye - who knows what our scouts truly think talent wise.)

EMS

earthmansurfer wrote:A few points here:

1. Henangomez was Porzingis' best friend on the team. This trade, to me, was equal parts triangle fit and Porzingis' insurance. So, I think it is incomplete to talk of Henangomez just regarding his talent. I think Henangomez is going to make life much better for Porzingis.

2. Henangomez is a smart player and was thought of as the future of Spanish Basketball at the center position. They compliment each other very very well. They are both intelligent players to boot. They can develop together.

So, I think this pick is not just to be judged on talent. That will be there, but the synergy of these two rookies COMBINED with their given talent, is more than Henangomez' talent alone (at least to the outside eye - who knows what our scouts truly think talent wise.)

EMS

Those are good points.

earthmansurfer wrote:A few points here:

1. Henangomez was Porzingis' best friend on the team. This trade, to me, was equal parts triangle fit and Porzingis' insurance. So, I think it is incomplete to talk of Henangomez just regarding his talent. I think Henangomez is going to make life much better for Porzingis.

2. Henangomez is a smart player and was thought of as the future of Spanish Basketball at the center position. They compliment each other very very well. They are both intelligent players to boot. They can develop together.

So, I think this pick is not just to be judged on talent. That will be there, but the synergy of these two rookies COMBINED with their given talent, is more than Henangomez' talent alone (at least to the outside eye - who knows what our scouts truly think talent wise.)

EMS

I have to disagree with #2. They both have very questionable decision making. I do think Hernangomez is an unselfish player though. Porzingis on the other hand has all the traits of a chucker who settles for poor shots. They both are project players in my opinion but both do provide some scoring ability and could be good triangle fits as well in the long run. I just feel that both of these guys have huge bust potential and will require some tremendous coaches to teach them to play the right way.

tj23 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:A few points here:

1. Henangomez was Porzingis' best friend on the team. This trade, to me, was equal parts triangle fit and Porzingis' insurance. So, I think it is incomplete to talk of Henangomez just regarding his talent. I think Henangomez is going to make life much better for Porzingis.

2. Henangomez is a smart player and was thought of as the future of Spanish Basketball at the center position. They compliment each other very very well. They are both intelligent players to boot. They can develop together.

So, I think this pick is not just to be judged on talent. That will be there, but the synergy of these two rookies COMBINED with their given talent, is more than Henangomez' talent alone (at least to the outside eye - who knows what our scouts truly think talent wise.)

EMS

I have to disagree with #2. They both have very questionable decision making. I do think Hernangomez is an unselfish player though. Porzingis on the other hand has all the traits of a chucker who settles for poor shots. They both are project players in my opinion but both do provide some scoring ability and could be good triangle fits as well in the long run. I just feel that both of these guys have huge bust potential and will require some tremendous coaches to teach them to play the right way.

So now I understand why Anthony did not want Porzingis at 4... he might cramp his style.

If you watched his games I'm not sure you can come away thinking he's a "chucker," but that's only my humble opinion.

WaltLongmire wrote:

tj23 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:A few points here:

1. Henangomez was Porzingis' best friend on the team. This trade, to me, was equal parts triangle fit and Porzingis' insurance. So, I think it is incomplete to talk of Henangomez just regarding his talent. I think Henangomez is going to make life much better for Porzingis.

2. Henangomez is a smart player and was thought of as the future of Spanish Basketball at the center position. They compliment each other very very well. They are both intelligent players to boot. They can develop together.

So, I think this pick is not just to be judged on talent. That will be there, but the synergy of these two rookies COMBINED with their given talent, is more than Henangomez' talent alone (at least to the outside eye - who knows what our scouts truly think talent wise.)

EMS

I have to disagree with #2. They both have very questionable decision making. I do think Hernangomez is an unselfish player though. Porzingis on the other hand has all the traits of a chucker who settles for poor shots. They both are project players in my opinion but both do provide some scoring ability and could be good triangle fits as well in the long run. I just feel that both of these guys have huge bust potential and will require some tremendous coaches to teach them to play the right way.

So now I understand why Anthony did not want Porzingis at 4... he might cramp his style.

If you watched his games I'm not sure you can come away thinking he's a "chucker," but that's only my humble opinion.

I do think it will be SUPER important for the Knicks to remind Porzingis or to "retrain" his basketball mind to play from the mid range and in. If he likes Anthony davis DOES NOT REPEAT DOES NOT shoot 3 point shots and he DOES not need augmentation with that shot. I read that he goes to get up shots but I think hes shooting 3's when he does this. They need to put a red line around the 14 foot mark and make sure he does not move out of the area. This is important from the Knicks. I dont mind an occasional 3 but my own interpretation of what will make this guy great is the soft touch and length INSIDE. A 3 point shot for a 7-3 player is a BAD shot a settled for shot and it also takes him away from the basket. His bread and butter is learning 4-5 high quality post moves and watching a LOT of tape of Kevin Mchale--a skinny PF with long arms who really was a post pioneer in some ways in terms of footwork. Mchale was no more than 215 soaking wet but it was impossible to stop him

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

tj23 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:A few points here:

1. Henangomez was Porzingis' best friend on the team. This trade, to me, was equal parts triangle fit and Porzingis' insurance. So, I think it is incomplete to talk of Henangomez just regarding his talent. I think Henangomez is going to make life much better for Porzingis.

2. Henangomez is a smart player and was thought of as the future of Spanish Basketball at the center position. They compliment each other very very well. They are both intelligent players to boot. They can develop together.

So, I think this pick is not just to be judged on talent. That will be there, but the synergy of these two rookies COMBINED with their given talent, is more than Henangomez' talent alone (at least to the outside eye - who knows what our scouts truly think talent wise.)

EMS

I have to disagree with #2. They both have very questionable decision making. I do think Hernangomez is an unselfish player though. Porzingis on the other hand has all the traits of a chucker who settles for poor shots. They both are project players in my opinion but both do provide some scoring ability and could be good triangle fits as well in the long run. I just feel that both of these guys have huge bust potential and will require some tremendous coaches to teach them to play the right way.

So now I understand why Anthony did not want Porzingis at 4... he might cramp his style.

If you watched his games I'm not sure you can come away thinking he's a "chucker," but that's only my humble opinion.

I do think it will be SUPER important for the Knicks to remind Porzingis or to "retrain" his basketball mind to play from the mid range and in. If he likes Anthony davis DOES NOT REPEAT DOES NOT shoot 3 point shots and he DOES not need augmentation with that shot. I read that he goes to get up shots but I think hes shooting 3's when he does this. They need to put a red line around the 14 foot mark and make sure he does not move out of the area. This is important from the Knicks. I dont mind an occasional 3 but my own interpretation of what will make this guy great is the soft touch and length INSIDE. A 3 point shot for a 7-3 player is a BAD shot a settled for shot and it also takes him away from the basket. His bread and butter is learning 4-5 high quality post moves and watching a LOT of tape of Kevin Mchale--a skinny PF with long arms who really was a post pioneer in some ways in terms of footwork. Mchale was no more than 215 soaking wet but it was impossible to stop him

i trust Phil to put the right coaches and resources around Kristaps. i agree though - there should be a clear cut plan from the minute they made the draft pick with respect to his training, nutrition, and skill development. that he can shoot the 3 is nice but he needs to be in the post learning how to score.

Knicks don't have their own second round pick until 2022.

their only 2nd round picks are the Houston's 2017 and 2019 picks, and Cleveland's 2019 pick.

earthmansurfer wrote:A few points here:

1. Henangomez was Porzingis' best friend on the team. This trade, to me, was equal parts triangle fit and Porzingis' insurance. So, I think it is incomplete to talk of Henangomez just regarding his talent. I think Henangomez is going to make life much better for Porzingis.

2. Henangomez is a smart player and was thought of as the future of Spanish Basketball at the center position. They compliment each other very very well. They are both intelligent players to boot. They can develop together.

So, I think this pick is not just to be judged on talent. That will be there, but the synergy of these two rookies COMBINED with their given talent, is more than Henangomez' talent alone (at least to the outside eye - who knows what our scouts truly think talent wise.)

EMS

Listening to Givony podcast on draft day. He was asked to pick a third euro that will make an impact and he said Henangomez. Also said Henangomez had 30 pts agains Real Madrid. Said very few guys in Europe can do this especially as young as Henangomez is.

Highlighted # 9, Jaiteh, because I think Jackson worked him out.

By Marc J. Spears December 9, 2014

Here are scouts' opinions on Porzingis and the rest of the top 10 2015 NBA draft prospects playing overseas, including Congolese-American Emmanuel Mudiay.

1. Kristaps Porzingis, PF, 7-1, 220 pounds, Spain Cajasol Sevilla, 19: "He is a top-three prospect. He's a Dirk Nowitzki-type but more athletic. He runs the floor, plays above the rim and is a face-up guy. He has a shot at being the No. 1 pick and is definitely in the top three."

2. Emmanuel Mudiay, PG, 6-5, 190 pounds, China Guangdong, 18: "He is a new generation point guard with size, athleticism and speed. … He's not a score-first guard."

3. Mario Hezonja, SG, 6-8, 200 pounds, Spain Barcelona, 19: "A swingman with really good size and strength already at a young age. Good shooter who attacks the rim. Smaller Danilo Gallinari-type who will be a better NBA player than overseas player."

4. Marc Garcia, SF, 6-6, 170 pounds, Spain La Bruixa d'Or, 18: "A decent shooter who can hit a 3-point shot. He is slippery going to the rim and gets to the basket easily. Very young."

5. Egemen Guven, PF-C, 6-11, 220 pounds, Turkey Pinar Karsiyaka, 18: "He has long arms and a nice skilled game at center with a little Pau Gasol in him. He's under control. Makes the right play. A solid midrange shooter."

6. Willy Hernangomez, C, 6-11, 250 pounds, Spain Cajasol Sevilla, 20: "His game and his body reminds me of Marc Gasol. He was recently named the Eurocup Player of the Week."

7. Ilimane Diop, C, 6-11, 215 pounds, Spain Caja Laboral, 19: "A big-time sleeper who is a great shot-blocker and rebounder. He is very athletic and runs the floor well. Lots of upside."

8. Cedi Osman, SF, 6-8, 215 pounds, Anadolu Efes Istanbul, 19: "A big-time point forward who can catch and shoot. He runs the floor well. Tough rebounder."

9. Mouhammadou Jaiteh, C, 6-9, 249 pounds, France Nanterre, 20: "A bully of a presence and a tough rebounder. Does everything under the basket."

10. Nenad Miljenovic, PG, 6-4, 200 pounds, Serbia Mega Leks, 21: "Tough, competitive guard with good ball-handling skills. Knows how to run a team. Very mature player."