gunsnewing wrote:Are they keeping DeRozan and play Carroll at the 2?
Carroll was always more of a 3.
Lowry
DeRozan
Carroll
Johnson/Hansbrough
Valanciunas
may not look like much, but they won the division without a legit SF last season. Carroll will improve their D and give them another shooter.
sort of surprised he went there, but Toronto realized they had to overpay. I don't know if the Knicks realize that yet.
incredible contract... its funny.. we are going to hear a ton about how nobody comes to NY, but at the same time if we signed Carrol to $15mm per people would be calling it an Amare type contract part 2.
Lets see how this plays out
fishmike wrote:incredible contract... its funny.. we are going to hear a ton about how nobody comes to NY, but at the same time if we signed Carrol to $15mm per people would be calling it an Amare type contract part 2.Lets see how this plays out
agreed. at a certain point, it may just be a better bet to hold on to the cap space as a trade asset.
CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:If we end up deciding to not overpay for players then i'd have no problem at all with just signing some lower level guys to one year contracts and going at it again next summer with a ton of money or trade Melo.
I haven't been in the trade Melo camp but if they don't get at least one big name it seems like that might be the best move for both parties. Really hoping for Monroe/Afflalo now.
KNICKS should've been more aggressive and locked those guys up right away. Now they are desperate. If they don't get those 2 they need to use their cap space add salary in return for picks. The
Anti-Walsh route. Then trade Melo ASAP
Forget trying to lure FA's in the coming seasons. Build from within. I trust that this regime can do that. No one wants to come work for Dolan. It is what it is
crzymdups wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:crzymdups wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:crzymdups wrote:MS wrote:4years - 60MMThe NBA has gone crazy.
The cap is doubling in two years. $15M is a bargain
So you would of signed Carroll to that contract if you were the Knicks?? That's ridiculous.
What's ridiculous is thinking Carroll would take that contract from us. That contract is basically the new MLE.
What are you talking about?? If we offered him that same contract he would of chosen us.
The Raptors won the division last year. We won 17 games. Why would he choose NY again?
But neither team won a game in the playoffs.
crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:incredible contract... its funny.. we are going to hear a ton about how nobody comes to NY, but at the same time if we signed Carrol to $15mm per people would be calling it an Amare type contract part 2.Lets see how this plays out
agreed. at a certain point, it may just be a better bet to hold on to the cap space as a trade asset.
at this point I would just roll out the carpet for Monroe and use the rest in a deal that saves some taxed team from paying 3x for a player and get us a pick back to keep building this thing up.
gunsnewing wrote:CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:If we end up deciding to not overpay for players then i'd have no problem at all with just signing some lower level guys to one year contracts and going at it again next summer with a ton of money or trade Melo.
I haven't been in the trade Melo camp but if they don't get at least one big name it seems like that might be the best move for both parties. Really hoping for Monroe/Afflalo now.
KNICKS should've been more aggressive and locked those guys up right away. Now they are desperate. If they don't get those 2 they need to use their cap space add salary in return for picks. The
Anti-Walsh route. Then trade Melo ASAP
Forget trying to lure FA's in the coming seasons. Build from within. I trust that this regime can do that. No one wants to come work for Dolan. It is what it is
One thing i like about phil is that hes not desperate. ...and doesnt make desperate moves. If he doesn't find a top FA....oh well....doesnt build around melo....oh well. Thats why he didnt mind the no trade clause.....the way things are going....melo will lift that clause for a trade to LA eventually. But phil doesnt come off as the rush type. Its that pimp mentality. ...dont chase the girls.....let the girls chase you. Build up the knicks with the bargain contracts and save cap space.
crzymdups wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Are they keeping DeRozan and play Carroll at the 2?
Carroll was always more of a 3.
Lowry
DeRozan
Carroll
Johnson/Hansbrough
Valanciunas
may not look like much, but they won the division without a legit SF last season. Carroll will improve their D and give them another shooter.
sort of surprised he went there, but Toronto realized they had to overpay. I don't know if the Knicks realize that yet.
So now you're admitting they did overpay??
blkexec wrote:gunsnewing wrote:CrushAlot wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:If we end up deciding to not overpay for players then i'd have no problem at all with just signing some lower level guys to one year contracts and going at it again next summer with a ton of money or trade Melo.
I haven't been in the trade Melo camp but if they don't get at least one big name it seems like that might be the best move for both parties. Really hoping for Monroe/Afflalo now.
KNICKS should've been more aggressive and locked those guys up right away. Now they are desperate. If they don't get those 2 they need to use their cap space add salary in return for picks. The
Anti-Walsh route. Then trade Melo ASAP
Forget trying to lure FA's in the coming seasons. Build from within. I trust that this regime can do that. No one wants to come work for Dolan. It is what it is
One thing i like about phil is that hes not desperate. ...and doesnt make desperate moves. If he doesn't find a top FA....oh well....doesnt build around melo....oh well. Thats why he didnt mind the no trade clause.....the way things are going....melo will lift that clause for a trade to LA eventually. But phil doesnt come off as the rush type. Its that pimp mentality. ...dont chase the girls.....let the girls chase you. Build up the knicks with the bargain contracts and save cap space.
yea.. this. I liked the draft a lot. I would be fine if maybe we grab Monroe and make smaller deals with teams desperate for cap space or tax savings that get us some picks back. Even late #1s etc
I mean I love Carroll, but $15mm is insane, it really is.
Hows that Melo contract looking now.
fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:fishmike wrote:incredible contract... its funny.. we are going to hear a ton about how nobody comes to NY, but at the same time if we signed Carrol to $15mm per people would be calling it an Amare type contract part 2.Lets see how this plays out
agreed. at a certain point, it may just be a better bet to hold on to the cap space as a trade asset.
at this point I would just roll out the carpet for Monroe and use the rest in a deal that saves some taxed team from paying 3x for a player and get us a pick back to keep building this thing up.
Monroe is basically meeting with Portland's entire team right now.
the issue is that fans have not adjusted yet to the numbers but they make total sense with the future of the cap. a $15 mil deal in the new cap would be about a $10 mil deal today. the contracts given out so far are no different than any other year, it's just that the size of the number is just jarring b/c it's new to the fan's system.
danny green's deal is the absolute anomaly b/c he wanted to stay in san antonio no matter what. every other deal has been ok and justifiable so far.
as for a raptors POV, we still need a starting PF so we might re-sign amir or make a deal (probably for taj gibson or maybe even david lee on a rental). we still have $11 mil to play with along with 4 future firsts to make some moves. losing lou and amir will definitely hurt tho. but playoffs should be guaranteed again. and for a franchise with such a weak history, making it 3 years in a row is an accomplishment.
martin wrote:djsunyc wrote:the issue is that fans have not adjusted yet to the numbers but they make total sense with the future of the cap. a $15 mil deal in the new cap would be about a $10 mil deal today. the contracts given out so far are no different than any other year, it's just that the size of the number is just jarring b/c it's new to the fan's system.danny green's deal is the absolute anomaly b/c he wanted to stay in san antonio no matter what. every other deal has been ok and justifiable so far.
as for a raptors POV, we still need a starting PF so we might re-sign amir or make a deal (probably for taj gibson or maybe even david lee on a rental). we still have $11 mil to play with along with 4 future firsts to make some moves. losing lou and amir will definitely hurt tho. but playoffs should be guaranteed again. and for a franchise with such a weak history, making it 3 years in a row is an accomplishment.
he's alive!!!
yea... someone woke him up
BRIGGS wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Broussard just said it on espn. This is not looking good at all. The Knicks better make a move real dang soon.
New york--what do w do if we strike out--trade melo? Its almost unfair at this point to both Melo and the Knicks if we get stuck taking secondary crp in.
I think this would be the best scenario if we don't get any FA's here. but where to trade?
CrushAlot wrote:
How can they afford him? I wonder if that means they have a trade for Derozan lined up
smackeddog wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
How can they afford him? I wonder if that means they have a trade for Derozan lined up
DeRozan is helping to recruit him. They have $11M in cap room left.
smackeddog wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
How can they afford him? I wonder if that means they have a trade for Derozan lined up
have $11 mil in cap right now - but we could probably dump someone like ross or james johnson (or include in a S&T) if need be.
crzymdups wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:crzymdups wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Broussard just said it on espn. This is not looking good at all. The Knicks better make a move real dang soon.
New york--what do w do if we strike out--trade melo? Its almost unfair at this point to both Melo and the Knicks if we get stuck taking secondary crp in.
Yeah i think if we strike out and Melo would agree to it then we might as well trade him if we get the right offer. The contracts that are being given out right now are too much for us to even match if we wanna build this team the right way. Milsap 4 years 80 million and Carroll 4 years 60 miilion. We can't give out contracts like that with the position we're in right now. This is getting me very nervous right now.
The Milsap numbers are truly ridiculous if you are looking at today's contracts. I expect that paying these amounts on a 4 year deal is taking into consideration the cap hikes which are looming in the future. Averaged about 13.8/7.8/2.5 in the Cleveland series, and during the year, on a team with no rebounders, he could not crack 8RPG.He and Carroll are nice players, but not at the amounts they got, IMO.
They sacrificed individual stats to be part of a 60 win team. Teams are paying attention to that these days.
I think Carroll actually benefitted a bit from the Atlanta system.Milsap's numbers are not that different from what they've always been, and his numbers went down progressively as they move through the playoffs.
I like both of them, but not at the amounts they signed for.
You're thinking in 2014 cap numbers. The good teams are thinking of the cap in 2017 and 2018 and realizing these contracts are complete bargains.
Yeah...I mentioned that- definitely thin it is something to consider. Also makes Anthony's contract a bit more acceptable.
crzymdups wrote:smackeddog wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
How can they afford him? I wonder if that means they have a trade for Derozan lined up
DeRozan is helping to recruit him. They have $11M in cap room left.
So you sign Carroll and Mathews, and you already have DeRozan??
Am I missing something here?
i'm a raptors fan and i am missing something if we get wes too lol. but theoretically, he would replace lou williams (6th man of the year) and be the scoring guard off the bench. carroll would slot to the starting SF spot. still need a PF and backup C tho. we could start patterson at the 4 but still leaves front court thin.
