martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Every player they got is called a "high IQ" player. You can say other players are better players or performed better, but these new role players all have 1 characteristic in common... High IQ. Say what you want, Phil is building his team.
So I have not heard that about Rolo, Afflalo or DWilliams.... is that true? Literally dont know.
It's definitely true for Lopez. I think Afflalo can play well in the right situation. Not sure about Williams.
martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Every player they got is called a "high IQ" player. You can say other players are better players or performed better, but these new role players all have 1 characteristic in common... High IQ. Say what you want, Phil is building his team.
So I have not heard that about Rolo, Afflalo or DWilliams.... is that true? Literally dont know.
Robin is a Stanford guy. Not sure about Afflalo and Williams
I now understand why Phil paid Williams $5 mill per. Williams made $6.3 million, so we actually got him to take a pay cut to sign. THis is probably why we had to give up the player option. If Phill wanted him, this is the deal he probably had to make to get him. My question is why did he want him. I would rather have Brandon Bass or Jordan Hill.
Oh god, I really dislike Jordan Hill's game and lack of fire. Williams at least shows bursts of fire.
EwingsGlass wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Every player they got is called a "high IQ" player. You can say other players are better players or performed better, but these new role players all have 1 characteristic in common... High IQ. Say what you want, Phil is building his team.
if you don't rebound, pass, or defend I am not sure you should be in the high iQ category. I mean with his athletic gifts he should at least be similar to Tobias Harris but he is worst than Quincy Acy.
For $5mm you are not getting the top performing SF/PFs that rebound, play defense at the age of 24. Those guys signed with their original teams... Guys like Leonard, Butler got paid cause they perform. I'm not saying Williams is a steal, he is a gamble. But if the analysis is past performance only, Hassan Whiteside never makes it back to the NBA. I have to believe Jackson sees situational upside to Williams within the Triangle that may not have existed in other systems. It's a $5m bet. I'll accept the risk that Phil can get the best out of him. He seems to get the best out of his players -- as a coach. Hopefully, he can do the same as a GM.
Good Post...couldnt agree more....
TheGame wrote:I now understand why Phil paid Williams $5 mill per. Williams made $6.3 million, so we actually got him to take a pay cut to sign. THis is probably why we had to give up the player option. If Phill wanted him, this is the deal he probably had to make to get him. My question is why did he want him. I would rather have Brandon Bass or Jordan Hill.
Phil aways had those athletic SFs that can slash and hit 3s. I think this is what Phil is envisioning for Williams
martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Every player they got is called a "high IQ" player. You can say other players are better players or performed better, but these new role players all have 1 characteristic in common... High IQ. Say what you want, Phil is building his team.
So I have not heard that about Rolo, Afflalo or DWilliams.... is that true? Literally dont know.
Robin did go to Stanford so... LOL
Robin Lopez
STRENGTHS:
- Excellent hands
- Makes quick moves in the post
- Ability to contest shots
- Activity level
- Defensive potential
- Shot-blocking skills
- Basketball IQ
- Doesn't always play hard
- Intelligence
- Physical Toughness
- Potential
- Role-player potential
- Work ethic
- Passing skills
- Ability to run the floor
- Mobility
- Size for position
- Undersized
- Wingspan
- Offensive rebounding
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3ewI6DbXq
http://www.draftexpress.com
I have no specific intel on Afflalo or Derrick in terms of BB IQ. I don't think they are genius level BB IQ but I think they are generally smart guys from listening to their draft interviews.
gunsnewing wrote:Yes!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally after 3yrs I finally get DW!!
Thanks Phil!!!
Good thing we cleared JR's salary off the books! Great job!
What's up with this guy's shot chart?
Totally forgot that Williams played for Rambis in Minneosta....guess he knows the triangle.
Anyone remember how he did? His stats looked ok when he got minutes....guessing Phil must have gotten good feedback from Rambis.
NYKBocker wrote:martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Every player they got is called a "high IQ" player. You can say other players are better players or performed better, but these new role players all have 1 characteristic in common... High IQ. Say what you want, Phil is building his team.
So I have not heard that about Rolo, Afflalo or DWilliams.... is that true? Literally dont know.
Robin is a Stanford guy. Not sure about Afflalo and Williams
The amount of negative things I've read about Derrick Williams in the last few hours is depressing.
How much $$/years was the coke machine looking for?
TheGame wrote:I now understand why Phil paid Williams $5 mill per. Williams made $6.3 million, so we actually got him to take a pay cut to sign. THis is probably why we had to give up the player option. If Phill wanted him, this is the deal he probably had to make to get him. My question is why did he want him. I would rather have Brandon Bass or Jordan Hill.
I think Hill is going to get a much better deal. The Lakers need to keep him now.
nixluva wrote:martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Every player they got is called a "high IQ" player. You can say other players are better players or performed better, but these new role players all have 1 characteristic in common... High IQ. Say what you want, Phil is building his team.
So I have not heard that about Rolo, Afflalo or DWilliams.... is that true? Literally dont know.
Robin did go to Stanford so... LOL
Robin Lopez
STRENGTHS:
- Excellent hands
- Makes quick moves in the post
- Ability to contest shots
- Activity level
- Defensive potential
- Shot-blocking skills
- Basketball IQ
- Doesn't always play hard
- Intelligence
- Physical Toughness
- Potential
- Role-player potential
- Work ethic
- Passing skills
- Ability to run the floor
- Mobility
- Size for position
- Undersized
- Wingspan
- Offensive rebounding
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3ewI6DbXq
http://www.draftexpress.com
I have no specific intel on Afflalo or Derrick in terms of BB IQ. I don't think they are genius level BB IQ but I think they are generally smart guys from listening to their draft interviews.
I keep reading Derrick Williams has a low bball IQ and is lazy.
Silverfuel wrote:What's up with this guy's shot chart?
the more you read about him the less he makes sense- he shot some thing like 24% from 3 in his first year at college, then 54% in his second. you look at this nba split stats, and he's finished the year very strongly twice (his first season and last season), but then sucked for large stretches. He's as all over the place as his shot chart
So he played on the Twolves while Rambis was coach? That had to come into play, right?
I guess his play hasn't been good but neither have his situations, but that shouldn't be an excuse.
martin wrote:So he played on the Twolves while Rambis was coach? That had to come into play, right?I guess his play hasn't been good but neither have his situations, but that shouldn't be an excuse.
The thing that troubles me is the fans that say he's lazy, doesn't work on his game and doesn't always bring it- I've had enough of lazy players
I've heard the same. All the more reason why I'm not thrilled.
Bonn1997 wrote:s3231 wrote:Not crazy about this one...really liked Robin and Affalo deals but just don't get the $$$ on this one.Seems like a player friendly deal for a player that frankly, hasn't earned it.
Don't mind taking a shot on him just don't get why he needs to cost that much but I guess I shouldn't be that surprised with how this FA has been going..
Phil must see something there so I hope he is right.
Given the advanced stats, I'm not crazy about the Afflalo signing either though I do like Lopez.
13 mil in cap space (Afflalo and Williams) is a huge amount to use up on guys with universally bad metrics.
I agree about the advanced stats. The 3pt % appears to be controlling that signing. Not really sure Afflalo counts as a 3&D. That said, as the beginning of a rebuild where we will have room to add more players the next two years, it's a solid start. Really, with Danny Green off the board, Gerald Green and Afflalo appear to be the next choices at SG.
crzymdups wrote:martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:Every player they got is called a "high IQ" player. You can say other players are better players or performed better, but these new role players all have 1 characteristic in common... High IQ. Say what you want, Phil is building his team.
So I have not heard that about Rolo, Afflalo or DWilliams.... is that true? Literally dont know.
It's definitely true for Lopez. I think Afflalo can play well in the right situation. Not sure about Williams.
This was his scouting report in 2011:
Tough and physical, hard to stop at the rim; finishes after contact for easy ‘And 1,′ strong rebounder(8.3 reb. as soph.)
Movement off ball and getting open, always in good position around the basket for an easy finish off a teammate’s pass.
Smart player with great basketball IQ; understands his role and plays within the team, consistent scorer and contributor.
Post moves look solid thanks in part to excellent footwork; excellent inside-out game on the face up.
Good looking shot, much improved jumper from freshman to sophomore year, threat from three (56.8 percent as soph.)
Explosive forward who runs the floor very well and has great bounce, dunks with power and authority.
Clutch, go to player down the stretch of games; made numerous game saving blocks in the final seconds.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/70189...
Afflalo's draft scouting report:
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/arron-af...Possesses an NBA ready body, blessed with excellent upper body strength Moves extremely well without the ball in his hands, understanding how to free himself for shots Works well running off screens where he is a capable shooter Has three point range on his jumper Good finisher in transition Body strength enables him to convert difficult shots with ease as well as the ability to finish after contact Plays the game with poise and maturity rarely found on the college level Shows great patience, rarely does he play out of control or force the action Simply allows the game to come to him Leadership qualities and the mental toughness he brings each game sets the tone for his team Unselfish player who possesses solid court vision Does a great job of feeding the post Excellent basketball IQ, makes great decisions during games Uses the mid-range jumper with the best of them Despite the coverage if you give him enough daylight his quick release allows for more than enough time to shoot Underrated rebounder capable of making an impact on the glass Defensively he does an admirable job of staying in front of his man Shows good body control when he penetrates the lane Quality free throw shooter Extremely coachable player whose work ethic is among the best in the NCAA Fundamentally he is as sound as them come Despite his struggles in the Final Four last year, he has proven to be a very clutch player ...
