Knicks · Knicks acquire Kyle O'Quinn in sign and trade (page 4)

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STATMELO wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He's a poor man's monroe

He can actually defend at a high level...

But for as promising as O’Quinn can be on offense, he’s exponentially more valuable because he’s a really strong defender:

Rim Protection

– O’Quinn ranks 12th in entire NBA at protecting the rim (minimum 40 games played) … Opponents shoot just 46.6% within five feet against him (on 4.6 field goal attempts against at rim per game). Notice the other names on this list… Gobert, Bogut, Ibaka, Hibbert, and Noel.

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O’Quinn excels in isolation and pick-and-roll defensive assignments:

– In isolation defense, opponents have shot just 8-for-21 (38%) against him… (73rd percentile in the league for defensive effectiveness). He’s fouled just once in 22 isolation match-ups.

– In P&R defenses in which O’Quinn takes the roll-man, opponents are just 4-for-17 on FGA against him (94th percentile).

– Opponents are 15-for-40 on FGA in post-up situations against O’Quinn (37.5%).

So, what does this all mean for O’Quinn in a team setting?

What O’Quinn does to a roster:

O’Quinn’s passing encourages teammates to cut to the rim more often… Toronto happens to be the only team in the NBA with three players converting above the 95th percentile in finishes off cuts. Johnson, Lowry, DeRozan are a combined 47-for-57 (82.5%) on field goals after cuts:

newyorker4ever wrote:If you don't know much about O'Quinn or didn't like him you'll like him after watching this video. It's a little long i think it's 10 minutes but it's pretty good.

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Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Opponents shot 48.6% with him at the rim last year, which is much better than average defense. For a 24 year old, his win shares are pretty good too. I'll give this signing an A-.

Hmmm. His opponent production according to 82games.com is high, meaning the man he's guarding puts up good stats. That gives me a little less certainty but I still think it's a good gamble for this price.

RonRon wrote:Marc Berman (a professional like him should know his facts) is wrong, the trade puts us over the salary cap, unless the numbers of some of the signings are wrong
We had under 3m to spend, so the trade puts us OVER the CAP

Regardless, we would be in position to have the FULL MLE at under the 6m
I do not believe we can have BOTH the Bi Annual Exemption aka LLE to use and The FULL MLE of about 6m and raises that could be divided as we wish
It is one or the other

We may have some trade exemptions left to use, as some exemptions expire 1year from the date they were used before they expire, so from the Iman/JR Smith and Pablo's exemptions could be utilized, with JR's exemption being the highest and then Iman Shumperts, though not sure if we used any of these for Kyle O Quin..

I hope we can trade for James Johnson and his 2.5m expiring, the final of his 2year deal, who would elevate our DEFENSE as he can defend multiple positions

you keep saying the Knicks have the full MLE at just under $6M, I don't think that's right. Care to explain?

I feel much better about our big man rotation now.

Curious to see if we use the room exception.

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:Marc Berman (a professional like him should know his facts) is wrong, the trade puts us over the salary cap, unless the numbers of some of the signings are wrong
We had under 3m to spend, so the trade puts us OVER the CAP

Regardless, we would be in position to have the FULL MLE at under the 6m
I do not believe we can have BOTH the Bi Annual Exemption aka LLE to use and The FULL MLE of about 6m and raises that could be divided as we wish
It is one or the other

We may have some trade exemptions left to use, as some exemptions expire 1year from the date they were used before they expire, so from the Iman/JR Smith and Pablo's exemptions could be utilized, with JR's exemption being the highest and then Iman Shumperts, though not sure if we used any of these for Kyle O Quin..

I hope we can trade for James Johnson and his 2.5m expiring, the final of his 2year deal, who would elevate our DEFENSE as he can defend multiple positions

you keep saying the Knicks have the full MLE at just under $6M, I don't think that's right. Care to explain?

Knicks only have the Room Exception of $2.8 mil and Vet Min contracts.

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:Marc Berman (a professional like him should know his facts) is wrong, the trade puts us over the salary cap, unless the numbers of some of the signings are wrong
We had under 3m to spend, so the trade puts us OVER the CAP

Regardless, we would be in position to have the FULL MLE at under the 6m
I do not believe we can have BOTH the Bi Annual Exemption aka LLE to use and The FULL MLE of about 6m and raises that could be divided as we wish
It is one or the other

We may have some trade exemptions left to use, as some exemptions expire 1year from the date they were used before they expire, so from the Iman/JR Smith and Pablo's exemptions could be utilized, with JR's exemption being the highest and then Iman Shumperts, though not sure if we used any of these for Kyle O Quin..

I hope we can trade for James Johnson and his 2.5m expiring, the final of his 2year deal, who would elevate our DEFENSE as he can defend multiple positions

you keep saying the Knicks have the full MLE at just under $6M, I don't think that's right. Care to explain?

Knicks only have the Room Exception of $2.8 mil and Vet Min contracts.

That is what Berman is reporting, I guess it depends on the 2m (that the cap is suppose to be over than anticipated)

I guess we will know when the official numbers are out for contracts, regardless, there will be loopholes of going over the cap in order to have the FULL MLE

Prior to the trade for O Quin and after the signing of Derrick Williams it was reported that there was UNDER 3m of cap space, and the contract of Kyle O Quin should put us over that...
Not sure if we can offer a contract for Jason Smith of what he made last season with raises, on top of that, there is Cole Aldrich's early bird rights to offer him a raise just like JR Smith got with his 3year deal and player option after our 54 game win season

On top of that we have trade exemptions that we could use that expire within a year from our trades last season from JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, Pablo, and even Travis Wear...
So we have loopholes that we could use if we wanted to go over the cap regardless, on top of making trades with the bird rights/early bird rights of

Sign and trades, along with other players on contract

Cole Aldrich
AB
Acey
150% rule

Also since no moves are actually made, and in theory just agreed to, it could be that we are looking to use our cap space before actually doing the trade, which is more likely, of which is about 3m or under as reported

So we could use that cap space first with the cap holds and then choose to use the trade to go over the cap

Then we could use the LLE or Bi Annual Exemption of right under 3m or THE 6m MLE

In which we could use only 1 of the 2 exemptions....

So I believe we have about 3m in cap space and the 6m MLE to use

martin wrote:Plus he got the cool beard going on, someone needed to replace Acy

lol i was about to say... is he a taller acy

RonRon wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

RonRon wrote:Marc Berman (a professional like him should know his facts) is wrong, the trade puts us over the salary cap, unless the numbers of some of the signings are wrong
We had under 3m to spend, so the trade puts us OVER the CAP

Regardless, we would be in position to have the FULL MLE at under the 6m
I do not believe we can have BOTH the Bi Annual Exemption aka LLE to use and The FULL MLE of about 6m and raises that could be divided as we wish
It is one or the other

We may have some trade exemptions left to use, as some exemptions expire 1year from the date they were used before they expire, so from the Iman/JR Smith and Pablo's exemptions could be utilized, with JR's exemption being the highest and then Iman Shumperts, though not sure if we used any of these for Kyle O Quin..

I hope we can trade for James Johnson and his 2.5m expiring, the final of his 2year deal, who would elevate our DEFENSE as he can defend multiple positions

you keep saying the Knicks have the full MLE at just under $6M, I don't think that's right. Care to explain?

Knicks only have the Room Exception of $2.8 mil and Vet Min contracts.

That is what Berman is reporting, I guess it depends on the 2m (that the cap is suppose to be over than anticipated)

I guess we will know when the official numbers are out for contracts, regardless, there will be loopholes of going over the cap in order to have the FULL MLE

Prior to the trade for O Quin and after the signing of Derrick Williams it was reported that there was UNDER 3m of cap space, and the contract of Kyle O Quin should put us over that...
Not sure if we can offer a contract for Jason Smith of what he made last season with raises, on top of that, there is Cole Aldrich's early bird rights to offer him a raise just like JR Smith got with his 3year deal and player option after our 54 game win season

On top of that we have trade exemptions that we could use that expire within a year from our trades last season from JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, Pablo, and even Travis Wear...
So we have loopholes that we could use if we wanted to go over the cap regardless, on top of making trades with the bird rights/early bird rights of

Sign and trades, along with other players on contract

Cole Aldrich
AB
Acey
150% rule

Also since no moves are actually made, and in theory just agreed to, it could be that we are looking to use our cap space before actually doing the trade, which is more likely, of which is about 3m or under as reported

So we could use that cap space first with the cap holds and then choose to use the trade to go over the cap

Then we could use the LLE or Bi Annual Exemption of right under 3m or THE 6m MLE

In which we could use only 1 of the 2 exemptions....

So I believe we have about 3m in cap space and the 6m MLE to use

The Trade Exemptions are gone once you get under the cap to sign players. You have to renounce all Exemptions in order to have access to all of your cap space. Once you do all you get is the Room Exception.

s3231 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

s3231 wrote:[qBRIGGS"]
He's a poor man's monroe

Guess since we couldn't get the real thing, Phil thought we would get the next best thing?

You think he's worth $4mm a year BRIGGS? I feel like I've only seen him play in a few games.

For the money it was a solid deal. I think he would be swell for the triangle

Good to hear! Looks like this move is getting other good reviews too from media + other guys too.

Bobby Marks, ex Nets front office man just said on Twitter he thinks O'Quinn might be the best pickup of all 4 guys we added this offseason.
I might agree with him. Great signing.

anrst wrote:not saying i don't like the move or this guy isn't any good

but why would orlando only play him sparingly? it's not like there was a lot of talent blocking him.

Kyle O’Quinn (Restricted Free Agent)

O’Quinn doesn’t play much, but his per-minute numbers have always been good, and there is still hope that he can develop one of the two bedrock skills every team wants now in a big man: 3-point shooting and rim protection.

The Magic tried, and failed, to turn O’Quinn into a 3-point shooter this season; he shot just 12-of-42 from deep, and defenses were happy to let him chuck open 3s. A smart team would continue that experiment. O’Quinn has a solid stroke, and even if he never shoots 3s well, he can do damage in open space. O’Quinn is a clever passer who can facilitate from the elbows:

Close out hard on his jumper and O’Quinn can slither into a defense off the bounce:

O’Quinn has a lot of discrete skills, but lacks the one foundational skill to let them shine consistently. He might be able to approximate Boris Diaw’s passing, but he doesn’t have a Diaw-style post game to draw double-teams and open up the most productive passes. He can do work on the move, but he doesn’t actually move all that much without the ball; Orlando’s coaches have urged O’Quinn to roll hard to the rim, but he has a bad habit of just kind of floating in space after setting a screen. That would be an acceptable habit if he could float himself out to productive 3-point shots, but he hasn’t done that yet.

Unfortunately, O’Quinn almost never gets to the line, which is exactly what you’d expect from a guy with no post game or stomach for hard cuts. Getting better at just one of these things could have an outsize impact on O’Quinn’s overall production.

Even though he’s not much of a leaper, O’Quinn provides a whiff of rim protection. He has long arms and good timing; he gets a lot of Draymond Green–style blocks, in which he barely leaves the ground but uses his wingspan to smother shots. He’s a talker on that end, but he gets confused now and then, and he doesn’t have the bounce to string together multiple strong cuts and jumps around the basket.

It’s easy to focus on what O’Quinn can’t do. But there’s an intriguing player in here, and some team should pay a bit above market to see if it can coax that player out — and persuade Orlando to not exercise its matching rights.

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Guys we might end up a respectable organization soon

newyorker4ever wrote:If you don't know much about O'Quinn or didn't like him you'll like him after watching this video. It's a little long i think it's 10 minutes but it's pretty good.

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