Knicks · Knicks acquire Kyle O'Quinn in sign and trade (page 5)

newyorker4ever wrote:If you don't know much about O'Quinn or didn't like him you'll like him after watching this video. It's a little long i think it's 10 minutes but it's pretty good.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...

That was a great video. Love that the Knicks are bringing in another high character guy.

He's on the WS/48 list as well if I understand correctly. 7'5 wingspan. I like it.

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:If you don't know much about O'Quinn or didn't like him you'll like him after watching this video. It's a little long i think it's 10 minutes but it's pretty good.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...

That was a great video. Love that the Knicks are bringing in another high character guy.

It's going to be a very interesting season. There are so many new players that it's hard to even imagine how it's all going to look. This kid has a very good on court nastiness and of court sensitivity. Better than the Jerk types we've had to deal with before. I just want to see guys that play their hearts out and give effort every night. Phil is stocking the roster with more of those kinds of players.

O'Quinn was tied for the highest standing reach in the '12 draft. His wing span is almost 7'5.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2012-nba-combine...

Just to illustrate my point, Josh McRoberts was acquired for the MLE last year by the Heat
They were under the cap while their BIG 3, resigning Bosh and Wade, as well as resigning Haslem, Birdman, and Chalmers, that they owned cap holds on AND PUT THEM OVER THE CAP to have the FULL MLE that they used on Josh McRoberts, also added Danny Granger for LLE type money (though I believe you cannot use both LLE and MLE in one season) On top of signing Napier who they bought the rights to that was a 1st round pick

To illustrate my point, though not official til the final numbers are out
rough estimates

1- Lopez has 4year, 54m deal, though there we do not know how they are structuring the deal
2- Affalo has a 2year, 16m deal
3- Williams has a 2year, 10m deal

4- Kyle O quin has a 4year, 16m deal *not sure if this is from cap space, if we are giving them a player like Acey in a trade who Orlando has interest with...

5- Cole Aldrich, may link to going over the cap, therefore owning allowing us to have the FULL MLE

I am not 100% sure but
With 2 years of consecutive vet min deals, we own his earl bird rights...
Cole Aldrich could receive an offer of 175% + 7.5% in raise in year 1, though we can give him as high as 4years, though there is a loophole
We could give him a deal and instantly waive him for us to go over the cap hold, guaranteed for year 1 or partial guaranteed for free money for Cole Aldrich after we make the trade, think we can also sign and trade him too though
Therefore pushes us over the cap with his cap hold being under 1m but remember that the min cap hold is already 500k, so it is basically about 400-500k more, in which could push us over the cap and therefore have the FULL MLE of up to 4years of under 6m with raises
I am not sure if we need to hold on to each cap hold for 2 straight years or just sign him to years of vet min to own his early cap rights...

while it isn't official the deals of our players and their structures they can structure it so we can keep Cole Aldrich's early bird rights, maybe with our first 3 players taking slightly less

175% with 7.5 raise in year 1, which could put us over the cap, and we get to have the FULL 6m MLE

Lopez about (maybe a bit higher) 12m
Affalo 8mm
Derick Williams 5m

Total about 25m

Kyle O quin roughly about 3m with raises?

You're saying there's a scenario where we can get the full MLE? Can you elaborate?

I'm pleased with this one- he's not earth shattering, but he's exactly what we needed- a defensive, rebounding player who can play back up PF and C. Now we have Lopez and him to play alongside Porzingis, and make up for his defensive shortcomings (hopefully until he bulks up).

Okay, so we've brought in a few more new players than Phil originally planned (I think he did say he only wanted to bring in 3 or 4 because he didn't want a whole new roster learning the system again). So assuming:

PG- Calderon, Grant, Gallo
SG- Afflalo,
SF- Melo, Early
PF- Porzingis, Williams
C- lopez,Quinn

That leaves about 5 roster spots to fill with minimum salaries and the exception. Which 5 do you want back?:

Aldrich (although he can get a little more elsewhere, by signing with us again for the minimum, we'd get his full bird rights, which may be appealing to him)
Amundsun
Thomas
Wear
Jason Smith
Thannasis
Ledo
Schved

I hope: Amundson, Thomas, Aldrich. I'll wait until after summer league to determine the last 2 spots- see if we uncover any treasures, or whether to just fill up from the above

RonRon wrote:Just to illustrate my point, Josh McRoberts was acquired for the MLE last year by the Heat
They were under the cap while their BIG 3, resigning Bosh and Wade, as well as resigning Haslem, Birdman, and Chalmers, that they owned cap holds on AND PUT THEM OVER THE CAP to have the FULL MLE that they used on Josh McRoberts, also added Danny Granger for LLE type money (though I believe you cannot use both LLE and MLE in one season) On top of signing Napier who they bought the rights to that was a 1st round pick

To illustrate my point, though not official til the final numbers are out
rough estimates

1- Lopez has 4year, 54m deal, though there we do not know how they are structuring the deal
2- Affalo has a 2year, 16m deal
3- Williams has a 2year, 10m deal

4- Kyle O quin has a 4year, 16m deal *not sure if this is from cap space, if we are giving them a player like Acey in a trade who Orlando has interest with...

5- Cole Aldrich, may link to going over the cap, therefore owning allowing us to have the FULL MLE

I am not 100% sure but
With 2 years of consecutive vet min deals, we own his earl bird rights...
Cole Aldrich could receive an offer of 175% + 7.5% in raise in year 1, though we can give him as high as 4years, though there is a loophole
We could give him a deal and instantly waive him for us to go over the cap hold, guaranteed for year 1 or partial guaranteed for free money for Cole Aldrich after we make the trade, think we can also sign and trade him too though
Therefore pushes us over the cap with his cap hold being under 1m but remember that the min cap hold is already 500k, so it is basically about 400-500k more, in which could push us over the cap and therefore have the FULL MLE of up to 4years of under 6m with raises
I am not sure if we need to hold on to each cap hold for 2 straight years or just sign him to years of vet min to own his early cap rights...

while it isn't official the deals of our players and their structures they can structure it so we can keep Cole Aldrich's early bird rights, maybe with our first 3 players taking slightly less

175% with 7.5 raise in year 1, which could put us over the cap, and we get to have the FULL 6m MLE

Lopez about (maybe a bit higher) 12m
Affalo 8mm
Derick Williams 5m

Total about 25m

Kyle O quin roughly about 3m with raises?

We don't have any exceptions besides the room exception. Miami didn't go under the cap last year. Wade and Bosh we're free agents and Miami used their Bird rights to re-sign them. Their cap holds kept Miami over the cap which is why they could use the MLE. We went under the cap to sign these new players which means we had to waive our exceptions.

This FA season has been a huge disappointment, but this is a solid signing.

nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:If you don't know much about O'Quinn or didn't like him you'll like him after watching this video. It's a little long i think it's 10 minutes but it's pretty good.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...

That was really cool. Thanks for posting that. Really pulling for this guy to have a great career in NY.

Yeah that video really said a lot about the kid to me. I don't think he's ready to be our starting PF like some think but i think he's gonna work hard to become a starter down the road some. He should give us some really good minutes at the 4 and 5 off the bench next year.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:If you don't know much about O'Quinn or didn't like him you'll like him after watching this video. It's a little long i think it's 10 minutes but it's pretty good.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...

That was a great video. Love that the Knicks are bringing in another high character guy.

It's going to be a very interesting season. There are so many new players that it's hard to even imagine how it's all going to look. This kid has a very good on court nastiness and of court sensitivity. Better than the Jerk types we've had to deal with before. I just want to see guys that play their hearts out and give effort every night. Phil is stocking the roster with more of those kinds of players.

Yeah it will basically be a whole new team so get ready for all the threads about how bad they look for maybe the first half of the season cause when you put a whole new team together of players that haven't played with each other it takes time for them to come together as a team which is how it happened for the Heat when they put the big 3 together and it happened for Cleveland last year cause they weren't that good at all in the 1st half of last year but really came together in the 2nd half. If everyone buys into the triangle system then i really think these guys can make a run for a playoff birth next year but they'll have to get through the tough times and growing pains to get there. We've added some good YOUNG players that can help us for the next few years and with a good run next year and maybe a playoff birth we will become a much more attractive destination for free agents for the 2016/17 season. We're not used to us building a team this way but things are looking up for the Knicks.

RonRon wrote:Just to illustrate my point, Josh McRoberts was acquired for the MLE last year by the Heat
They were under the cap while their BIG 3, resigning Bosh and Wade, as well as resigning Haslem, Birdman, and Chalmers, that they owned cap holds on AND PUT THEM OVER THE CAP to have the FULL MLE that they used on Josh McRoberts, also added Danny Granger for LLE type money (though I believe you cannot use both LLE and MLE in one season) On top of signing Napier who they bought the rights to that was a 1st round pick

To illustrate my point, though not official til the final numbers are out
rough estimates

1- Lopez has 4year, 54m deal, though there we do not know how they are structuring the deal
2- Affalo has a 2year, 16m deal
3- Williams has a 2year, 10m deal

4- Kyle O quin has a 4year, 16m deal *not sure if this is from cap space, if we are giving them a player like Acey in a trade who Orlando has interest with...

5- Cole Aldrich, may link to going over the cap, therefore owning allowing us to have the FULL MLE

I am not 100% sure but
With 2 years of consecutive vet min deals, we own his earl bird rights...
Cole Aldrich could receive an offer of 175% + 7.5% in raise in year 1, though we can give him as high as 4years, though there is a loophole
We could give him a deal and instantly waive him for us to go over the cap hold, guaranteed for year 1 or partial guaranteed for free money for Cole Aldrich after we make the trade, think we can also sign and trade him too though
Therefore pushes us over the cap with his cap hold being under 1m but remember that the min cap hold is already 500k, so it is basically about 400-500k more, in which could push us over the cap and therefore have the FULL MLE of up to 4years of under 6m with raises
I am not sure if we need to hold on to each cap hold for 2 straight years or just sign him to years of vet min to own his early cap rights...

while it isn't official the deals of our players and their structures they can structure it so we can keep Cole Aldrich's early bird rights, maybe with our first 3 players taking slightly less

175% with 7.5 raise in year 1, which could put us over the cap, and we get to have the FULL 6m MLE

Lopez about (maybe a bit higher) 12m
Affalo 8mm
Derick Williams 5m

Total about 25m

Kyle O quin roughly about 3m with raises?

Yeah you sure are trying to push this point of yours but i'm pretty sure we only have the 2.8 left to use and vet min contracts but how bout we just wait and see?? I sure hope you're right but don't think you are if you go by what everyone is saying.

smackeddog wrote:I'm pleased with this one- he's not earth shattering, but he's exactly what we needed- a defensive, rebounding player who can play back up PF and C. Now we have Lopez and him to play alongside Porzingis, and make up for his defensive shortcomings (hopefully until he bulks up).

Okay, so we've brought in a few more new players than Phil originally planned (I think he did say he only wanted to bring in 3 or 4 because he didn't want a whole new roster learning the system again). So assuming:

PG- Calderon, Grant, Gallo
SG- Afflalo,
SF- Melo, Early
PF- Porzingis, Williams
C- lopez,Quinn

That leaves about 5 roster spots to fill with minimum salaries and the exception. Which 5 do you want back?:

Aldrich (although he can get a little more elsewhere, by signing with us again for the minimum, we'd get his full bird rights, which may be appealing to him)
Amundsun
Thomas
Wear
Jason Smith
Thannasis
Ledo
Schved

I hope: Amundson, Thomas, Aldrich. I'll wait until after summer league to determine the last 2 spots- see if we uncover any treasures, or whether to just fill up from the above

You forgot Bargnani. If i had to choose 5 out of those choices i'd choose:
Bargs
Shved
J.Smith
Dang it i wouldn't mind having any of them back but Wear. I think all of them can bring so much more than they did last year with some actual talent on the floor and not having to take on so much pressure like they did last year. I wouldn't mind if all 5 spots left to fill came from that list.

newyorker4ever wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm pleased with this one- he's not earth shattering, but he's exactly what we needed- a defensive, rebounding player who can play back up PF and C. Now we have Lopez and him to play alongside Porzingis, and make up for his defensive shortcomings (hopefully until he bulks up).

Okay, so we've brought in a few more new players than Phil originally planned (I think he did say he only wanted to bring in 3 or 4 because he didn't want a whole new roster learning the system again). So assuming:

PG- Calderon, Grant, Gallo
SG- Afflalo,
SF- Melo, Early
PF- Porzingis, Williams
C- lopez,Quinn

That leaves about 5 roster spots to fill with minimum salaries and the exception. Which 5 do you want back?:

Aldrich (although he can get a little more elsewhere, by signing with us again for the minimum, we'd get his full bird rights, which may be appealing to him)
Amundsun
Thomas
Wear
Jason Smith
Thannasis
Ledo
Schved

I hope: Amundson, Thomas, Aldrich. I'll wait until after summer league to determine the last 2 spots- see if we uncover any treasures, or whether to just fill up from the above

You forgot Bargnani. If i had to choose 5 out of those choices i'd choose:
Bargs
Shved
J.Smith
Dang it i wouldn't mind having any of them back but Wear. I think all of them can bring so much more than they did last year with some actual talent on the floor and not having to take on so much pressure like they did last year. I wouldn't mind if all 5 spots left to fill came from that list.

I didn't honestly think anyone would want Bargs back

VCoug wrote:

RonRon wrote:Just to illustrate my point, Josh McRoberts was acquired for the MLE last year by the Heat
They were under the cap while their BIG 3, resigning Bosh and Wade, as well as resigning Haslem, Birdman, and Chalmers, that they owned cap holds on AND PUT THEM OVER THE CAP to have the FULL MLE that they used on Josh McRoberts, also added Danny Granger for LLE type money (though I believe you cannot use both LLE and MLE in one season) On top of signing Napier who they bought the rights to that was a 1st round pick

We don't have any exceptions besides the room exception. Miami didn't go under the cap last year. Wade and Bosh we're free agents and Miami used their Bird rights to re-sign them. Their cap holds kept Miami over the cap which is why they could use the MLE. We went under the cap to sign these new players which means we had to waive our exceptions.

Yeah, exactly, Miami didn't go under the cap because they didn't renounce their own players.

The Knicks NEED to renounce players aka Bargnani, STAT, Shane, etc, to technically go under the cap and sign free agents from other team. Doing that means they don't have the MLE, only the Room.

I'm curious if they'll use the room, but I'm thinking they will go for a back SF because the only thing behind Melo at SF right now is Early and maybe Thanasis and I don't know if we can count on them yet.

s3231 wrote:For what it's worth, some sources saying we gave up 2nd round pick but Wojo is saying it's a right to swap 2019 2nd rounders + cash.

Hope Wojo is right...swap better than giving pick up outright.

This is correct, it's a "right to swap" type deal, plus cash considerations.

Moonangie wrote:

s3231 wrote:For what it's worth, some sources saying we gave up 2nd round pick but Wojo is saying it's a right to swap 2019 2nd rounders + cash.

Hope Wojo is right...swap better than giving pick up outright.

This is correct, it's a "right to swap" type deal, plus cash considerations.

Yeah, this was a brilliant trade.

Basically the Knicks gave Orlando $1.5M so they didn't have to deal with waiting around to see if Orlando would match in RFA. The Knicks don't even have their own 2019 second rounder I don't think. I think they have a few from maybe Philly and Houston.

Posting and Toasting posted this video. Moves the ball really well.

nykshaknbake wrote:This FA season has been a huge disappointment, but this is a solid signing.

Who were you looking to get this offseason?

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