newyorker4ever wrote:HOLY CRAP. Anyone that is predicting how good/bad any of these players will be off of watching what they can do in the summer league and let alone just one summer league game are absolutely ridiculous. I mean i've heard it all now. This is the summer league and these kids are playing against rookies, lifetime D-league kids, euro kids and undrafted kids and people really think they can predict how they'll be in the fuqing NBA. There were people on this board predicting how good or bad these kids will be in the 1st dang quarter yesterday. Hahahaha
i wasnt predicting when i started the thread. I just was a fan of his this year watching him in college. I like his style and IQ. I have no idea how it will work out but i think it was a very good trade still
newyorker4ever@ 7/12/2015 11:31 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Grant is not an athletic freak or even close. Also he's had trouble his whole career as a game shooter from deep. He's got good size length and smarts-- and when you use all 3 together you should be a reasonable ball player . For Grant to be really good he would need to show
A. Consistency with a jumper B. an ability to beat nba guards off the dribble C. Ability to finish against nba length D ability to keep quick guards in front of him
This is info we won't have until we get to the nba games. Someone made a point about how deron William would've set up kp many more times-- that's an attribute that makes a great nba pg
Briggs, where can i find complete stats from the game?? Can you post them if you know where to find them or can someone find them and post them??
holfresh@ 7/12/2015 11:32 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Grant is not an athletic freak or even close. Also he's had trouble his whole career as a game shooter from deep. He's got good size length and smarts-- and when you use all 3 together you should be a reasonable ball player . For Grant to be really good he would need to show
A. Consistency with a jumper B. an ability to beat nba guards off the dribble C. Ability to finish against nba length D ability to keep quick guards in front of him
This is info we won't have until we get to the nba games. Someone made a point about how deron William would've set up kp many more times-- that's an attribute that makes a great nba pg
Briggs, where can i find complete stats from the game?? Can you post them if you know where to find them or can someone find them and post them??
NBA.com
nixluva@ 7/12/2015 11:33 AM
I'm least worried about Jerian. For one thing PG can be a bit slower to get comfortable with for a rookie. The game is faster and that means decision making has to be faster and that can mess with a PG's head a bit. He'll eventually make the adjustment but we've got to give him a chance. You could see tho that he's got all the tools you want from a guard and IMO it was a great move to get him for THJ who I think was not quite a perfect fit here. He was too limited to basically just scoring and little else.
Jerian can help this team more IMO and i'm glad we drafted him. He was someone I thought would be good as a 2nd 1st rd pick if Phil could get one here even before the draft. I also thought Payne could be a good get, but Jerian has the size we need at the position. He doesn't have to be spectacular in all the ways that people usually expect i.e. being a Freak Athlete. He's got enough speed, length and athletic ability to get the job done.
callmened@ 7/12/2015 11:47 AM
i was very pleased with what i saw with grant (not super excited like what i saw with KP). hes steady. he gets the ball where he needs it to be. he was an extension of coach fisher. often calling him "SIR". "yes sir, no sir". his job was to get the ball where it needed to be and initiate the offense. like i mentioned in previous posts, they are now initiating their offense by DRIBBLING to the wing. they run this criss cross action at the moment of truth. grant wasnt looking to score, he was looking to: making sure guys are in the right spot and passing the ball.
newyorker4ever@ 7/12/2015 11:53 AM
holfresh wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Grant is not an athletic freak or even close. Also he's had trouble his whole career as a game shooter from deep. He's got good size length and smarts-- and when you use all 3 together you should be a reasonable ball player . For Grant to be really good he would need to show
A. Consistency with a jumper B. an ability to beat nba guards off the dribble C. Ability to finish against nba length D ability to keep quick guards in front of him
This is info we won't have until we get to the nba games. Someone made a point about how deron William would've set up kp many more times-- that's an attribute that makes a great nba pg
Briggs, where can i find complete stats from the game?? Can you post them if you know where to find them or can someone find them and post them??
NBA.com
Gotcha....Thanks.
fitzfarm@ 7/12/2015 11:56 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Grant is not an athletic freak or even close. Also he's had trouble his whole career as a game shooter from deep. He's got good size length and smarts-- and when you use all 3 together you should be a reasonable ball player . For Grant to be really good he would need to show
A. Consistency with a jumper B. an ability to beat nba guards off the dribble C. Ability to finish against nba length D ability to keep quick guards in front of him
This is info we won't have until we get to the nba games. Someone made a point about how deron William would've set up kp many more times-- that's an attribute that makes a great nba pg
Anyone that can throw down a reverse windmill dunk at 6'4 is a athletic freak in my mind .
I do agree with your evaluation on what he needs to work on.. but there is no denying his passing ability, leadership skills, and his uncanny ability to get to the hoop and the free throw line .. As for deron Williams and his pick and roll ability .. I feel grant can thrive as a pick and roll general he's great at passing off the dribble and setting up his teammates
holfresh@ 7/12/2015 12:00 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Grant is not an athletic freak or even close. Also he's had trouble his whole career as a game shooter from deep. He's got good size length and smarts-- and when you use all 3 together you should be a reasonable ball player . For Grant to be really good he would need to show
A. Consistency with a jumper B. an ability to beat nba guards off the dribble C. Ability to finish against nba length D ability to keep quick guards in front of him
This is info we won't have until we get to the nba games. Someone made a point about how deron William would've set up kp many more times-- that's an attribute that makes a great nba pg
Anyone that can throw down a reverse windmill dunk at 6'4 is a athletic freak in my mind .
I do agree with your evaluation on what he needs to work on.. but there is no denying his passing ability, leadership skills, and his uncanny ability to get to the hoop and the free throw line .. As for deron Williams and his pick and roll ability .. I feel grant can thrive as a pick and roll general he's great at passing off the dribble and setting up his teammates
That's not a windmill dunk and a reverse windmill dunk isn't possible...
fitzfarm@ 7/12/2015 12:07 PM
holfresh wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Grant is not an athletic freak or even close. Also he's had trouble his whole career as a game shooter from deep. He's got good size length and smarts-- and when you use all 3 together you should be a reasonable ball player . For Grant to be really good he would need to show
A. Consistency with a jumper B. an ability to beat nba guards off the dribble C. Ability to finish against nba length D ability to keep quick guards in front of him
This is info we won't have until we get to the nba games. Someone made a point about how deron William would've set up kp many more times-- that's an attribute that makes a great nba pg
Anyone that can throw down a reverse windmill dunk at 6'4 is a athletic freak in my mind .
I do agree with your evaluation on what he needs to work on.. but there is no denying his passing ability, leadership skills, and his uncanny ability to get to the hoop and the free throw line .. As for deron Williams and his pick and roll ability .. I feel grant can thrive as a pick and roll general he's great at passing off the dribble and setting up his teammates
That's not a windmill dunk and a reverse windmill dunk isn't possible...
What would you call that a dubble pump reverse... What ever you wanna call it, it's athletically impressive
holfresh@ 7/12/2015 12:16 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
holfresh wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Grant is not an athletic freak or even close. Also he's had trouble his whole career as a game shooter from deep. He's got good size length and smarts-- and when you use all 3 together you should be a reasonable ball player . For Grant to be really good he would need to show
A. Consistency with a jumper B. an ability to beat nba guards off the dribble C. Ability to finish against nba length D ability to keep quick guards in front of him
This is info we won't have until we get to the nba games. Someone made a point about how deron William would've set up kp many more times-- that's an attribute that makes a great nba pg
Anyone that can throw down a reverse windmill dunk at 6'4 is a athletic freak in my mind .
I do agree with your evaluation on what he needs to work on.. but there is no denying his passing ability, leadership skills, and his uncanny ability to get to the hoop and the free throw line .. As for deron Williams and his pick and roll ability .. I feel grant can thrive as a pick and roll general he's great at passing off the dribble and setting up his teammates
That's not a windmill dunk and a reverse windmill dunk isn't possible...
What would you call that a dubble pump reverse... What ever you wanna call it, it's athletically impressive
Cradle two hand reverse...ehh..
yellowboy90@ 7/12/2015 12:18 PM
I think a good athletic comparison n terms of body type measurables and athleticism is Jrue Holiday. What could propel Grant pass Holiday is defense, rebounding, and FTAs. Really just being able to get to the line at a better rate would take Jrue from avg to above avg underrated PG.
GustavBahler@ 7/12/2015 12:23 PM
What I liked about what I saw from Grant was that while he played like a rookie in his first SL game, he wasnt passive, tried to run the offense. Unselfish to a fault sometimes. Grant showed that he can get to the rim in a hurry, not just in a straight line. Didnt expect a complete game from Grant right off the bat, showed enough to be encouraged.
StarksEwing1@ 7/12/2015 12:25 PM
GustavBahler wrote:What I liked about what I saw from Grant was that while he played like a rookie in his first SL game, he wasnt passive, tried to run the offense. Unselfish to a fault sometimes. Grant showed that he can get to the rim in a hurry, not just in a straight line. Didnt expect a complete game from Grant right off the bat, showed enough to be encluraged. .
yeah by his admission he made some mistakes he usually doesnt make but he still got to the hoop a lot
nixluva@ 7/12/2015 12:28 PM
Can we cut the BS? We don't need Jerian to be a "freak athlete". He has enough athletic ability for the NBA and the position. There are guys in the league right now that can't do a reverse dunk so really what are we talking about here? Dude is a legit big PG who can do a lot of the things this team needs. We didn't have a Jerian Grant level guard last year so it's an upgrade IMO. He checks most of the boxes you want to see in a guard for this system.
PhilinLA@ 7/12/2015 1:03 PM
He was learning a whole new system and new teammates yesterday, and still made some impressive, give him some time. He was a heroic player at ND, and he'll be one for the Knicks.
BRIGGS@ 7/12/2015 1:10 PM
PhilinLA wrote:He was learning a whole new system and new teammates yesterday, and still made some impressive, give him some time. He was a heroic player at ND, and he'll be one for the Knicks.
Oh yeah this goes with any player. a player like our skinny Frenchman I don't think he's nba and I doubt he shows anything to the contrary. grants an nba player but we will wait and see. That in game jumps hot is a big ? And we wil get a sense if he can finish at the rim pretty quick I have his upside pegged at Derek Harper which would be tremendous but I'm not sure he is nearly as quick as Derek someone mentioned he's got some old school to his game and I agree let's hope we get the high end
newyorker4ever@ 7/12/2015 2:25 PM
nixluva wrote:Can we cut the BS? We don't need Jerian to be a "freak athlete". He has enough athletic ability for the NBA and the position. There are guys in the league right now that can't do a reverse dunk so really what are we talking about here? Dude is a legit big PG who can do a lot of the things this team needs. We didn't have a Jerian Grant level guard last year so it's an upgrade IMO. He checks most of the boxes you want to see in a guard for this system.
Thank you. It's so funny some of the things people like to argue about on here but a little entertainment while watching the Mets game isn't so bad i guess. LOL
Knicks1969@ 7/12/2015 2:46 PM
I like THJ and wanted to keep him around for at least another season to see if he could improve as a young player; however, this kid Grant appears to be the right trade, because he is an all around guard who can do a lot more then THJ. He is a little shorter, but his basketball IQ, will make him a much better addition.
TheGame@ 7/12/2015 3:36 PM
Grant had a so so game. But I think he was nervous. He is aggressive and gets to the line. He just needs to relax and let the game come to him.
fitzfarm@ 7/12/2015 5:45 PM
TheGame wrote:Grant had a so so game. But I think he was nervous. He is aggressive and gets to the line. He just needs to relax and let the game come to him.
Agreed also really excited for his match up vs Russell, wouldn't be surprised if grant owns him all game people are underestimating grants defense
fitzfarm@ 7/12/2015 5:45 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
TheGame wrote:Grant had a so so game. But I think he was nervous. He is aggressive and gets to the line. He just needs to relax and let the game come to him.
Agreed also really excited for his match up vs Russell, wouldn't be surprised if grant owns him all game people are underestimating grants defense
