fitzfarm wrote:TheGame wrote:Grant had a so so game. But I think he was nervous. He is aggressive and gets to the line. He just needs to relax and let the game come to him.
Agreed also really excited for his match up vs Russell, wouldn't be surprised if grant owns him all game people are underestimating grants defense
I think the nerves are gone after game one
fitzfarm wrote:fitzfarm wrote:TheGame wrote:Grant had a so so game. But I think he was nervous. He is aggressive and gets to the line. He just needs to relax and let the game come to him.
Agreed also really excited for his match up vs Russell, wouldn't be surprised if grant owns him all game people are underestimating grants defense
I think the nerves are gone after game one
That should be a good game. However, I don't think Russ is being used correctly thus far, lakers need to give that kid the ball and allow him to make play. That other kid who actually shares the back court with Russell is too trigger happy in my opinion and is not a PG.
BRIGGS wrote:Grant is not an athletic freak or even close. Also he's had trouble his whole career as a game shooter from deep. He's got good size length and smarts-- and when you use all 3 together you should be a reasonable ball player . For Grant to be really good he would need to showA. Consistency with a jumper
B. an ability to beat nba guards off the dribble
C. Ability to finish against nba length
D ability to keep quick guards in front of him
This is info we won't have until we get to the nba games. Someone made a point about how deron William would've set up kp many more times-- that's an attribute that makes a great nba pg
Good breakdown, When I watch him play I see his ceiling as mid tier starting PG. If he could be a legit threat from the outside he can reach that ceiling , the other stuff you mentioned, not sure if they are that realistic but I agree with the analysis.
Jmpasq wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Grant is not an athletic freak or even close. Also he's had trouble his whole career as a game shooter from deep. He's got good size length and smarts-- and when you use all 3 together you should be a reasonable ball player . For Grant to be really good he would need to showA. Consistency with a jumper
B. an ability to beat nba guards off the dribble
C. Ability to finish against nba length
D ability to keep quick guards in front of him
This is info we won't have until we get to the nba games. Someone made a point about how deron William would've set up kp many more times-- that's an attribute that makes a great nba pg
Good breakdown, When I watch him play I see his ceiling as mid tier starting PG. If he could be a legit threat from the outside he can reach that ceiling , the other stuff you mentioned, not sure if they are that realistic but I agree with the analysis.
I see him getting B grades across the board which isnt bad. Agree with him developing into mid tier pg. Doing a reverse dunk in a gym at 6'4-5' doesnt make you an athletic freak. He was blocked at rim in SA sl game, Simmons meanwhile was exploding upward. Like the pick/kid but keeping it real
I don't care if the kid is an athletic freak; I just want him to be smart with the ball, knock down the open jumper, and defend. Ideally I wanted Larkins, but his struggle shooting the ball last year and lack of size played against him.
meloanyk wrote:Jmpasq wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Grant is not an athletic freak or even close. Also he's had trouble his whole career as a game shooter from deep. He's got good size length and smarts-- and when you use all 3 together you should be a reasonable ball player . For Grant to be really good he would need to showA. Consistency with a jumper
B. an ability to beat nba guards off the dribble
C. Ability to finish against nba length
D ability to keep quick guards in front of him
This is info we won't have until we get to the nba games. Someone made a point about how deron William would've set up kp many more times-- that's an attribute that makes a great nba pg
Good breakdown, When I watch him play I see his ceiling as mid tier starting PG. If he could be a legit threat from the outside he can reach that ceiling , the other stuff you mentioned, not sure if they are that realistic but I agree with the analysis.
I see him getting B grades across the board which isnt bad. Agree with him developing into mid tier pg. Doing a reverse dunk in a gym at 6'4-5' doesnt make you an athletic freak. He was blocked at rim in SA sl game, Simmons meanwhile was exploding upward. Like the pick/kid but keeping it real
So this means he's not that athletic? Blocking is all timing, ask nate robinson, who is the shortest guy in the league at one point, and would block centers.
Grant might already be our best pg. fisher is not going to start him, and I agree that he needs to earn it, but this kid looks to have the potential to be a starting pg.
Watching tonight it appears the Knicks May have come away with two cornerstone players in the draft.
CrushAlot wrote:Watching tonight it appears the Knicks May have come away with two cornerstone players in the draft.
This is the hope for sure. I really like what i've seen from KP and Jerian. This is what Phil was hoping for out of this draft. If you can find your new core out of the draft it really sets your franchise up for success. Fans have to be patient as we allow these guys to fully develop. That also goes for our other young talent. This is still just the beginning.
Wait till they're really running an O. He'll clean up those TO's and his shot will come back.
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Watching tonight it appears the Knicks May have come away with two cornerstone players in the draft.
This is the hope for sure. I really like what i've seen from KP and Jerian. This is what Phil was hoping for out of this draft. If you can find your new core out of the draft it really sets your franchise up for success. Fans have to be patient as we allow these guys to fully develop. That also goes for our other young talent. This is still just the beginning.
Yeah. Hernangomez seems to be highly regarded as well. Pretty exciting.
Just a thought...
Funny thing is that if you didn't know any of the players on the court you'd have thought that Grant was the #2 pick and Russell was picked in the mid 20s.
Knicks also made Clarkson look very ordinary, after he had looked pretty good the other day against Philly.
If Grant ad Zing can turn into starters, we should really be in good shape next summer. Grant is already the best pg on the team as Calderon cannot guard a closed door. Grant needs to earn it, so I would not start him immediately, but grant should be starting by the end of the year, especially if Calderon gets hurt, which will happen at some point.
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Watching tonight it appears the Knicks May have come away with two cornerstone players in the draft.
This is the hope for sure. I really like what i've seen from KP and Jerian. This is what Phil was hoping for out of this draft. If you can find your new core out of the draft it really sets your franchise up for success. Fans have to be patient as we allow these guys to fully develop. That also goes for our other young talent. This is still just the beginning.
Yeah. Hernangomez seems to be highly regarded as well. Pretty exciting.
And he and KP compliment each other's games. It'll be fun to see them play together.
martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Watching tonight it appears the Knicks May have come away with two cornerstone players in the draft.
This is the hope for sure. I really like what i've seen from KP and Jerian. This is what Phil was hoping for out of this draft. If you can find your new core out of the draft it really sets your franchise up for success. Fans have to be patient as we allow these guys to fully develop. That also goes for our other young talent. This is still just the beginning.
Yeah. Hernangomez seems to be highly regarded as well. Pretty exciting.
And he and KP compliment each other's games. It'll be fun to see them play together.
Yeah I thought that was brilliant to go grab KP's partner in crime like that. It just shows Phil is thinking outside the box and all the Phil bashing media who couldn't wait to allow Phil to do his work this summer just didn't understand how deeply Phil thinks about these kinds of things. They were too busy calling him a money grabbing fraud. He's always been a deep thinker when it came to how rosters come together and picking the right players to put in the mix. It takes time to really map out a plan and execute that plan, but now we can start to make sense of what he's been trying to do.
WaltLongmire wrote:Just a thought...Funny thing is that if you didn't know any of the players on the court you'd have thought that Grant was the #2 pick and Russell was picked in the mid 20s.
Knicks also made Clarkson look very ordinary, after he had looked pretty good the other day against Philly.
Amazing,but more so to the eye. 1 assist for the number 2 pick Vs. 8 for #19???
Russel is going to get much better after he gets use to the speed of the NBA, but I agree that Grant looks like he will be a starter soon.
TheGame wrote:Russel is going to get much better after he gets use to the speed of the NBA, but I agree that Grant looks like he will be a starter soon.
Does he have the speed to get used to the speed?
He's looked pretty ordinary in his SL games so far.
Holfresh and callmened have also brought up his inability to go right, and that was illustrated today on a couple of occasions.
People are going to start calling him "DeApple" Russell because of his turnover propensity.
that's my boy
I liked both Grant and Russell and would not have minded if the Knicks drafted them both. While Russell is "struggling" in SL so far he is still going to be a good player. There is more expectations on him and he is not being used like he was at OSU. Russell is a high IQ player that will figure it out.
TheGame wrote:Russel is going to get much better after he gets use to the speed of the NBA, but I agree that Grant looks like he will be a starter soon.
Getting used to the speed should not be confused with not having speed, they are two different things.
I don't doubt that Russel has talent, I just think it is going to take him a while, if it is even possible, to become a much better athlete. Genetics might be more a factor than work there.
Russell will adjust but understand, this isn't the NBA yet, the talent level just went up is all. I don't understand why Russell is having so many problems. In his defense, Stephen Curry shot horrendous the whole summer league and then found his shot in the regular season, but he was getting open looks in summer league - Russell is having problems there. (And that is saying a lot because he has an interesting "on the way up" release, which really had been throwing defenders off in college - timing and habit is my guess.)
