Knicks · Harvey Araton: If You Read Phil Jackson’s Mind, Carmelo Anthony Is in Small Type (page 3)

crzymdups @ 7/15/2015 7:18 PM
Yeah, I would love to see Melo take a leadership role and go Pippen 93-94 on this season. But I predict he'll go more like Marbury 06-07 or something. He just isn't wired to do this. I think Phil has been playing mind games with him for a while now, basically since the off-season... trying to force Melo to ask for a trade. I think Melo will do so. I wish he would accept the challenge, but I don't know if he's that kind of player.
knickscity @ 7/15/2015 7:18 PM
It's a very good article, the only one's I can see disagreeing are folks bent on defending melo over wanting whats best foir the team.
holfresh @ 7/15/2015 7:20 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

In the past at least he interviewed George Karl when he did it. Speaking as Phil Jackson in the first person has to be a new low for him.

Melo has a large following for whatever reason..ESPN.com a few days ago had Carmelo as the most searched topic on the site by a huge margin..This is during the NBA offseason, in the middle of baseball season, NFL contract signings..If u had an article to write about Melo, now is the time..

ChuckBuck @ 7/15/2015 7:20 PM
People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.

mreinman @ 7/15/2015 7:21 PM
crzymdups wrote:Yeah, I would love to see Melo take a leadership role and go Pippen 93-94 on this season. But I predict he'll go more like Marbury 06-07 or something. He just isn't wired to do this. I think Phil has been playing mind games with him for a while now, basically since the off-season... trying to force Melo to ask for a trade. I think Melo will do so. I wish he would accept the challenge, but I don't know if he's that kind of player.

phil is really phucking with Melo's head ... this is what I wanted last season.

Bonn1997 @ 7/15/2015 7:23 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.


We'd have to improve by a few steps to be mediocre
mreinman @ 7/15/2015 7:24 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.


We'd have to improve by a few steps to be mediocre

please stick to the full sample and refrain from cherry picking.

crzymdups @ 7/15/2015 7:26 PM
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Yeah, I would love to see Melo take a leadership role and go Pippen 93-94 on this season. But I predict he'll go more like Marbury 06-07 or something. He just isn't wired to do this. I think Phil has been playing mind games with him for a while now, basically since the off-season... trying to force Melo to ask for a trade. I think Melo will do so. I wish he would accept the challenge, but I don't know if he's that kind of player.

phil is really phucking with Melo's head ... this is what I wanted last season.

This is really reminding me of the lead up to Marbury's exit here. When D'Antoni didn't tell Marbury he wasn't starting til opening night. I don't think Phil or Fisher will do that. But the message to Melo is CRYSTAL CLEAR right now. Or it should be. Be a team player, help build something, or we can all move on.

That shouldn't be a slight to Melo at all. He should be thrilled, honestly. But he's been coddled so long I think he'll take it as an insult, as Marbury did and as Melo's fans are doing now.

I have never loved Melo. I respect his all world scoring ability. Dislike his personality. My favorite time of the Melo years was honestly when he sat out with an injury and we got Linsanity. If he buys in, I'll root for him. If he doesn't, I hope we can arrange a trade quickly.

ChuckBuck @ 7/15/2015 7:26 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.


We'd have to improve by a few steps to be mediocre

Agreed. 2nd worst record in NBA, worst in franchise history, 53 games of which superstar Melo played.

No excuses for this loser.

Bonn1997 @ 7/15/2015 7:26 PM
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.


We'd have to improve by a few steps to be mediocre

please stick to the full sample and refrain from cherry picking.


that makes sense indeed
I assume you're joking around?
mreinman @ 7/15/2015 7:28 PM
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Yeah, I would love to see Melo take a leadership role and go Pippen 93-94 on this season. But I predict he'll go more like Marbury 06-07 or something. He just isn't wired to do this. I think Phil has been playing mind games with him for a while now, basically since the off-season... trying to force Melo to ask for a trade. I think Melo will do so. I wish he would accept the challenge, but I don't know if he's that kind of player.

phil is really phucking with Melo's head ... this is what I wanted last season.

This is really reminding me of the lead up to Marbury's exit here. When D'Antoni didn't tell Marbury he wasn't starting til opening night. I don't think Phil or Fisher will do that. But the message to Melo is CRYSTAL CLEAR right now. Or it should be. Be a team player, help build something, or we can all move on.

That shouldn't be a slight to Melo at all. He should be thrilled, honestly. But he's been coddled so long I think he'll take it as an insult, as Marbury did and as Melo's fans are doing now.

I have never loved Melo. I respect his all world scoring ability. Dislike his personality. My favorite time of the Melo years was honestly when he sat out with an injury and we got Linsanity. If he buys in, I'll root for him. If he doesn't, I hope we can arrange a trade quickly.

exactly how I feel ... I used to defend him to but I was not going to stay stupid forever.

Melo's problem is also his idiot people (like Iverson). They aren't helping him.

mreinman @ 7/15/2015 7:29 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.


We'd have to improve by a few steps to be mediocre

please stick to the full sample and refrain from cherry picking.


that makes sense indeed
I assume you're joking around?

yes ... but his career in NY has basically been mediocre.

crzymdups @ 7/15/2015 7:30 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.


We'd have to improve by a few steps to be mediocre

please stick to the full sample and refrain from cherry picking.


that makes sense indeed
I assume you're joking around?

2010-2011 42-40 (14-14 post Melo trade)
2011-2012 36-30
2012-2013 54-28
2013-2014 37-45
2014-2015 17-65

Total: 186-182 since the Melo trade.

That's the very definition of mediocrity.

crzymdups @ 7/15/2015 7:34 PM
Even MSG Company Man Hahn is on board with the article:

StarksEwing1 @ 7/15/2015 7:35 PM
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

This.
mreinman @ 7/15/2015 7:37 PM
crzymdups wrote:Even MSG Company Man Hahn is on board with the article:

No. He picked the stupid kennedy line to avoid any melo hate accusation.

crzymdups @ 7/15/2015 7:40 PM
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Even MSG Company Man Hahn is on board with the article:

No. He picked the stupid kennedy line to avoid any melo hate accusation.

Yeah, but it's not like he's saying the article was terrible. The article isn't Melo hate. It's asking Melo to step it up and embrace the challenge.

mreinman @ 7/15/2015 7:42 PM
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Even MSG Company Man Hahn is on board with the article:

No. He picked the stupid kennedy line to avoid any melo hate accusation.

Yeah, but it's not like he's saying the article was terrible. The article isn't Melo hate. It's asking Melo to step it up and embrace the challenge.

its got some digs but its basically calling him out.

check ... your move melo

seriously, if kristaps is on the floor and open and Melo chucks, NY and the world will go bananas. Gonna be fun!

meloshouldgo @ 7/15/2015 7:46 PM
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Even MSG Company Man Hahn is on board with the article:

No. He picked the stupid kennedy line to avoid any melo hate accusation.

Yeah, but it's not like he's saying the article was terrible. The article isn't Melo hate. It's asking Melo to step it up and embrace the challenge.

its got some digs but its basically calling him out.

check ... your move melo

seriously, if kristaps is on the floor and open and Melo chucks, NY and the world will go bananas. Gonna be fun!

Whatdoyoumean "IF"?

mreinman @ 7/15/2015 7:47 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Even MSG Company Man Hahn is on board with the article:

No. He picked the stupid kennedy line to avoid any melo hate accusation.

Yeah, but it's not like he's saying the article was terrible. The article isn't Melo hate. It's asking Melo to step it up and embrace the challenge.

its got some digs but its basically calling him out.

check ... your move melo

seriously, if kristaps is on the floor and open and Melo chucks, NY and the world will go bananas. Gonna be fun!

Whatdoyoumean "IF"?

lmfao

ok ... the first time that this happens ...

yellowboy90 @ 7/15/2015 7:51 PM
crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GetThePipe wrote:God this is an awful article. Writing this essay from the presumed perspective of Phil Jackson is over the top obnoxious. I can't believe this was written by a grown man.

Its about the team that Phil wants to build regardless of what Melo wants.

This is not frank isola, its harvey freakin araton!

Yeah and his source is his mind reading skills. Araton writes a hatchet piece on Anthony twice a year.

Phil Jackson himself said this before Melo's free agency: "If Melo stays, man are we fortunate. If Melo goes, man are we fortunate."

Melo needs to suck it up and play winning ball here or do it elsewhere. It doesn't concern you that he is seemingly all about his brand lately? It doesn't concern you that he hasn't welcomed the new players to the team? The rookies or the free agents? Meanwhile Wade is showing Winslow how to adjust to NBA life in Miami, Durant is showing up at OKC Summer League. Dirk is interupting his vacations to try to recruit free agents. Duncan was instrumental in luring LMA to San Antonio. The entire Clippers team flew to Houston to get DeAndre back. Melo is on a yacht in the Caribbean with Lala, nursing his wounded ego.

damn that was an excellent post!

I don't disagree with the sentiment that Melo needs to suck it up and play or leave. But I can't believe a writer is writing what he thinks Phil Jackson thought and is writing it in the first person like Phil is saying it.

He's interpretting Phil Jackson's actions - but also Phil has made some pretty strong comments about Melo this off-season, in his typically off-kilter and laid back way.

On drafting a player who might be a few years away from being a finished product, was he thinking about Melo when he made the pick: “Carmelo’s always on my mind. He’s our favorite son,” Jackson said. “But the second most important thing is what we do for this franchise. That has to be a consideration. I let Melo know that when we made this choice. We anticipate it’s going to be rough, whether we have a 19-year-old KP or 19-year-old whoever.”

Do you detect the sarcasm in Phil saying the franchise is SECOND to what Carmelo wants? Because I think it's pretty damn clear he was being sarcastic as hell.

When asked if Anthony’s importance to the team has ever been greater, Jackson countered with: “I don’t know if that’s how I would even state that.

“With him in mind, a lot of how we directed what we did is the way it plays out in anticipating with a guy like Derrick Williams that he can play a forward spot or the wing spot, guys that can swing back between three and four, have the speed to cover and do that kind of thing,” Jackson added. “His scoring is still going to be very important for us. We really said we wanted to play defense and this is what we’re attempting to do with our free agency and this is what makes a difference in how teams win, by defensively taking a stance.”

Phil has been saying this stuff all summer. And his actions have been backing it up. In that second quote he is basically saying Derrick Williams can play Melo's role in this offense. We are no longer building around Melo. We are building around Kristaps and defense. Melo can fit in or fit out, to quote Lebron.

By any chance did you actually watch this interview when he gave these quotes? IF not watch it.

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