Knicks · Harvey Araton: If You Read Phil Jackson’s Mind, Carmelo Anthony Is in Small Type (page 4)

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GetThePipe wrote:God this is an awful article. Writing this essay from the presumed perspective of Phil Jackson is over the top obnoxious. I can't believe this was written by a grown man.

Its about the team that Phil wants to build regardless of what Melo wants.

This is not frank isola, its harvey freakin araton!

Yeah and his source is his mind reading skills. Araton writes a hatchet piece on Anthony twice a year.

Phil Jackson himself said this before Melo's free agency: "If Melo stays, man are we fortunate. If Melo goes, man are we fortunate."

Melo needs to suck it up and play winning ball here or do it elsewhere. It doesn't concern you that he is seemingly all about his brand lately? It doesn't concern you that he hasn't welcomed the new players to the team? The rookies or the free agents? Meanwhile Wade is showing Winslow how to adjust to NBA life in Miami, Durant is showing up at OKC Summer League. Dirk is interupting his vacations to try to recruit free agents. Duncan was instrumental in luring LMA to San Antonio. The entire Clippers team flew to Houston to get DeAndre back. Melo is on a yacht in the Caribbean with Lala, nursing his wounded ego.

damn that was an excellent post!

I don't disagree with the sentiment that Melo needs to suck it up and play or leave. But I can't believe a writer is writing what he thinks Phil Jackson thought and is writing it in the first person like Phil is saying it.

He's interpretting Phil Jackson's actions - but also Phil has made some pretty strong comments about Melo this off-season, in his typically off-kilter and laid back way.

On drafting a player who might be a few years away from being a finished product, was he thinking about Melo when he made the pick: “Carmelo’s always on my mind. He’s our favorite son,” Jackson said. “But the second most important thing is what we do for this franchise. That has to be a consideration. I let Melo know that when we made this choice. We anticipate it’s going to be rough, whether we have a 19-year-old KP or 19-year-old whoever.”

Do you detect the sarcasm in Phil saying the franchise is SECOND to what Carmelo wants? Because I think it's pretty damn clear he was being sarcastic as hell.

When asked if Anthony’s importance to the team has ever been greater, Jackson countered with: “I don’t know if that’s how I would even state that.

“With him in mind, a lot of how we directed what we did is the way it plays out in anticipating with a guy like Derrick Williams that he can play a forward spot or the wing spot, guys that can swing back between three and four, have the speed to cover and do that kind of thing,” Jackson added. “His scoring is still going to be very important for us. We really said we wanted to play defense and this is what we’re attempting to do with our free agency and this is what makes a difference in how teams win, by defensively taking a stance.”

Phil has been saying this stuff all summer. And his actions have been backing it up. In that second quote he is basically saying Derrick Williams can play Melo's role in this offense. We are no longer building around Melo. We are building around Kristaps and defense. Melo can fit in or fit out, to quote Lebron.

By any chance did you actually watch this interview when he gave these quotes? IF not watch it.

mreinman wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Even MSG Company Man Hahn is on board with the article:

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No. He picked the stupid kennedy line to avoid any melo hate accusation.

Yeah, but it's not like he's saying the article was terrible. The article isn't Melo hate. It's asking Melo to step it up and embrace the challenge.

its got some digs but its basically calling him out.

check ... your move melo

seriously, if kristaps is on the floor and open and Melo chucks, NY and the world will go bananas. Gonna be fun!

Whatdoyoumean "IF"?

lmfao

ok ... the first time that this happens ...

Game 1 of 82, first quarter.

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.

We'd have to improve by a few steps to be mediocre

please stick to the full sample and refrain from cherry picking.

that makes sense indeed
I assume you're joking around?

2010-2011 42-40 (14-14 post Melo trade)
2011-2012 36-30
2012-2013 54-28
2013-2014 37-45
2014-2015 17-65

Total: 186-182 since the Melo trade.

That's the very definition of mediocrity.

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.

We'd have to improve by a few steps to be mediocre

please stick to the full sample and refrain from cherry picking.

that makes sense indeed
I assume you're joking around?

2010-2011 42-40 (14-14 post Melo trade)
2011-2012 36-30
2012-2013 54-28
2013-2014 37-45
2014-2015 17-65

Total: 186-182 since the Melo trade.

That's the very definition of mediocrity.

More like 186-208
But I was just being overly harsh.

Yup, even more damning is Melo's playoff record.

Yet some fans still want to give him a free pass for some odd reason.

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.

We'd have to improve by a few steps to be mediocre

please stick to the full sample and refrain from cherry picking.

that makes sense indeed
I assume you're joking around?

2010-2011 42-40 (14-14 post Melo trade)
2011-2012 36-30
2012-2013 54-28
2013-2014 37-45
2014-2015 17-65

Total: 186-182 since the Melo trade.

That's the very definition of mediocrity.

More like 186-208
158-182 after the trade
But I was just being overly harsh.

No, check your math. I only added 14-14 from the 2010-11 season. It's 186-182.

Melo should be embarrassed right now. I hope he's doing a lot of soul searching.

crzymdups wrote:Even DeMarcus Cousins showed up to the Kings summer league to show support. While feuding with George Karl who was also there.

Melo should be embarrassed right now. I hope he's doing a lot of soul searching.

CrushAlot wrote:The guy is talking in the first person as Phil Jackson.

Hahahaha!!!!!!!!
Crush with his classic case of deflection. Almost as predictable as Nix

Lets all focus on the delivery and ignore the content right Crush. I know the truth hurts man

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.

We'd have to improve by a few steps to be mediocre

please stick to the full sample and refrain from cherry picking.

that makes sense indeed
I assume you're joking around?

2010-2011 42-40 (14-14 post Melo trade)
2011-2012 36-30
2012-2013 54-28
2013-2014 37-45
2014-2015 17-65

Total: 186-182 since the Melo trade.

That's the very definition of mediocrity.

More like 186-208
158-182 after the trade
But I was just being overly harsh.

No, check your math. I only added 14-14 from the 2010-11 season. It's 186-182.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Even DeMarcus Cousins showed up to the Kings summer league to show support. While feuding with George Karl who was also there.

Melo should be embarrassed right now. I hope he's doing a lot of soul searching.

not sure about soul searching but probably searching for a new endeavor for his BRAND

I think that he is purposely playing his brand directly into china.

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.

We'd have to improve by a few steps to be mediocre

please stick to the full sample and refrain from cherry picking.

that makes sense indeed
I assume you're joking around?

2010-2011 42-40 (14-14 post Melo trade)
2011-2012 36-30
2012-2013 54-28
2013-2014 37-45
2014-2015 17-65

Total: 186-182 since the Melo trade.

That's the very definition of mediocrity.

More like 186-208
158-182 after the trade
But I was just being overly harsh.

No, check your math. I only added 14-14 from the 2010-11 season. It's 186-182.

You're counting the wins from 2010-11 before Melo but not the losses. You're counting 42 wins but only 14 losses from that year. Since the exact day of the trade, it's 158-182.

I think that you are not counting the all star games.

Uptown wrote:Dude is a journalist, not a realistic fiction writer. How about Araton do his job, get on the plane and ask Phil his thoughts directly instead of reading the mind of Phil like most UK posters do. Only here, do you guys rejoice at the thoughts of journalists about Melo and Phil, and ignore the actual words of Phil and Melo...strange..

I would rather have Harvey Araton tell me what Phil is thinking than Nixluva.

Uptown wrote:Dude is a journalist, not a realistic fiction writer. How about Araton do his job, get on the plane and ask Phil his thoughts directly instead of reading the mind of Phil like most UK posters do. Only here, do you guys rejoice at the thoughts of journalists about Melo and Phil, and ignore the actual words of Phil and Melo...strange..

Actions speak louder than words. Araton is not making anything up. This is based on Melo's actual actions. Some of you can keep ignoring the truth I guess. It's your right

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.

We'd have to improve by a few steps to be mediocre

please stick to the full sample and refrain from cherry picking.

that makes sense indeed
I assume you're joking around?

2010-2011 42-40 (14-14 post Melo trade)
2011-2012 36-30
2012-2013 54-28
2013-2014 37-45
2014-2015 17-65

Total: 186-182 since the Melo trade.

That's the very definition of mediocrity.

More like 186-208
158-182 after the trade
But I was just being overly harsh.

No, check your math. I only added 14-14 from the 2010-11 season. It's 186-182.

You're counting the wins from 2010-11 before Melo but not the losses. You're counting 42 wins but only 14 losses from that year. Since the exact day of the trade, it's 158-182.

haha. Oh crap, you're right. Sorry about that.

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:People sticking up for Melo is laughable.

4 years of mediocrity buys you alot of loyalty I guess.

Stephon Marbury, take a bow, you've been replaced.

We'd have to improve by a few steps to be mediocre

please stick to the full sample and refrain from cherry picking.

that makes sense indeed
I assume you're joking around?

2010-2011 42-40 (14-14 post Melo trade)
2011-2012 36-30
2012-2013 54-28
2013-2014 37-45
2014-2015 17-65

Total: 186-182 since the Melo trade.

That's the very definition of mediocrity.

More like 186-208
158-182 after the trade
But I was just being overly harsh.

No, check your math. I only added 14-14 from the 2010-11 season. It's 186-182.

You're counting the wins from 2010-11 before Melo but not the losses. You're counting 42 wins but only 14 losses from that year. Since the exact day of the trade, it's 158-182.

Yup, 46% win percentage in the Knicks uni.

Not exactly worthy of the praise and deflection of blame his supporters constantly provide him with.

At least Houston, Spree, Camby gave us a deep playoff run for the ages.

Melo gave us a meaningless 62 point game and a playoff killing block by Hibbert on a failed dunk attempt.

Guys got look at the big picture, dude's not a winner.

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:Dude is a journalist, not a realistic fiction writer. How about Araton do his job, get on the plane and ask Phil his thoughts directly instead of reading the mind of Phil like most UK posters do. Only here, do you guys rejoice at the thoughts of journalists about Melo and Phil, and ignore the actual words of Phil and Melo...strange..

I would rather have Harvey Araton tell me what Phil is thinking than Nixluva.

Interesting that you say that but why do you feel that way? Isn't it the same thing or is that you want a fresh perspective of what someone else doesn't really know?

gunsnewing wrote:

Uptown wrote:Dude is a journalist, not a realistic fiction writer. How about Araton do his job, get on the plane and ask Phil his thoughts directly instead of reading the mind of Phil like most UK posters do. Only here, do you guys rejoice at the thoughts of journalists about Melo and Phil, and ignore the actual words of Phil and Melo...strange..

Actions speak louder than words. Araton is not making anything up. This is based on Melo's actual actions. Some of you can keep ignoring the truth I guess. It's your right

You mean like Melo's actions of not liking the draft pick and #ihatemelosquad jumped all over it. Then Melo's actual words said otherwise. Said that KP was a steal....is that what you mean guns?

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Uptown wrote:Dude is a journalist, not a realistic fiction writer. How about Araton do his job, get on the plane and ask Phil his thoughts directly instead of reading the mind of Phil like most UK posters do. Only here, do you guys rejoice at the thoughts of journalists about Melo and Phil, and ignore the actual words of Phil and Melo...strange..

I would rather have Harvey Araton tell me what Phil is thinking than Nixluva.

Interesting that you say that but why do you feel that way? Isn't it the same thing or is that you want a fresh perspective of what someone else doesn't really know?

I like when a prized writer thinks and feels the I think and feel. Makes me feel better about my thoughts and feelings.