Hey everyone! First post ever so go easy on me, lol.
Just want to hear everyone's reasoning or thought process on what exactly happened to Deron Williams. He used to be considered one of the best PGs in the league, and after years of just not contributing at the expected level in Brooklyn/NJ, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The Nets did everything for this guy and he has been awful. Do you see a bounce back year with Dallas?
Because he's soft and doughy ever since College:
People in sports that don't work out usually end up hurt and injured all the time and start sucking.
There endeth the lesson.
Newbie thread, moving this from NBA forum so it gets some eyeballs
I used to love Deron. Problem was he was stubborn. Jerry Sloan was the perfect coach for him and perfected the perfect system for him as a player. Once he got Sloan to retire and the spotlight was on him he couldn't handle it.
Deron Williams is classic example of ego over reality mindset.
He had everything going for him and he has nothing but his own ego and stupidity to blame for how it all turned out.
martin wrote:Newbie thread, moving this from NBA forum so it gets some eyeballs
I assume you informed him of the pricing structure to get post responded to.
Deron = Marbury 2.0
Coach killer, team cancer, and underachiever of the highest order.
ChuckBuck wrote:Deron = Marbury 2.0Coach killer, team cancer, and underachiever of the highest order.
LOL
when you extremists flip, boy do you flip!
Carmelo is the best ever
Carmelo is the worst ever
mreinman wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Deron = Marbury 2.0Coach killer, team cancer, and underachiever of the highest order.
LOL
when you extremists flip, boy do you flip!
Carmelo is the best ever
Carmelo is the worst ever
Hey man, why you bring Melo into this! This is a Deron Bash thread, not a Melo bash thread!
Leave him alone!
ChuckBuck wrote:mreinman wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Deron = Marbury 2.0Coach killer, team cancer, and underachiever of the highest order.
LOL
when you extremists flip, boy do you flip!
Carmelo is the best ever
Carmelo is the worst ever
Hey man, why you bring Melo into this! This is a Deron Bash thread, not a Melo bash thread!
Leave him alone!
Sorry, I thought you were taling about Melo not Deron.
My bad 
I applaud the Nets for moving on as they did! They moved under the triple tax thing and Dallas got a small liability if it don't work out.
Thought getting him instead of Melo was the better trade but time has shown us otherwise. Lower the expectations and he is a good player, not the star max player he is getting paid. Nets saved 16mil off his buy out and stretch the rest out. Nets need to just tread water until they get some draft picks their way. Joe comes off the books next year. They will have cap room. My hope is Both Knicks and Nets play significant games! Rivalries are great!!!!
His ego became overly inflated- Irving suffered from the same problem before Lebron arrived (hopefully he'll get him back on track), and Lillard showed signs of it last season. Work ethic declined, became disgruntled.
Jerry Sloan is great coach who managed to get the best out of his players: Carlos Arroyo, Matt Harpring, Carlos Boozer, Howard...the list goes on. Hell, he even got double digit scoring out of Corey Brewer. I think leaving Sloan's system played a part in aDeron's decline.
I don't know what happend in Utah other than the rumors we have all read.
I do know Deron has had a new coach in Brooklyn every year he has been there. Hollins was tough on him and he seemed to be getting some mojo back as his health improved last year.
Im suprised Nets bailed on him but also applaud them for reaching crossroads and moving foward. Not many teams would do that.
Nalod wrote:I applaud the Nets for moving on as they did! They moved under the triple tax thing and Dallas got a small liability if it don't work out.
Thought getting him instead of Melo was the better trade but time has shown us otherwise. Lower the expectations and he is a good player, not the star max player he is getting paid. Nets saved 16mil off his buy out and stretch the rest out. Nets need to just tread water until they get some draft picks their way. Joe comes off the books next year. They will have cap room. My hope is Both Knicks and Nets play significant games! Rivalries are great!!!!
I like there draft of Hollis Jefferson and McCullough. They have good defensive potential under Hollins and athletism. If they pan out they have a pretty good frontcourt rotation with Young and Lopez.
what happened to him... cp3 happened. at one point several espn analysts were asking who they'd draft for PG between the 2 of them. cp3's competitive fire is kinda unparalleled and deron said... you can have it dude..i dont like the limelight that much... or the sport for that matter.
Nalod wrote:I applaud the Nets for moving on as they did! They moved under the triple tax thing and Dallas got a small liability if it don't work out.
Thought getting him instead of Melo was the better trade but time has shown us otherwise. Lower the expectations and he is a good player, not the star max player he is getting paid. Nets saved 16mil off his buy out and stretch the rest out. Nets need to just tread water until they get some draft picks their way. Joe comes off the books next year. They will have cap room. My hope is Both Knicks and Nets play significant games! Rivalries are great!!!!
I definitely would love to have that. The Knicks/Nets games should mean more! I look forward to the future Porzee vs (insert new face of Brooklyn player here.) games!
Nalod wrote:I don't know what happend in Utah other than the rumors we have all read.
I do know Deron has had a new coach in Brooklyn every year he has been there. Hollins was tough on him and he seemed to be getting some mojo back as his health improved last year.
Im suprised Nets bailed on him but also applaud them for reaching crossroads and moving foward. Not many teams would do that.
I agree but a couple of my friends that are big net fans really wanted Johnson moved instead of Deron and were really disappointed that Deron was moved. I was a bit surprised because both guys are generally objective and know a lot about the nba.
TripleThreat wrote:lxndiaz wrote:....what exactly happened to Deron Williams.....
IMHO, Williams is more proof that point guard still holds the lowest positional value across the entire NBA.
Very hard to get the wing play and pivot play you need, and factor in the salary cap and what the market rate is for those positions when you are paying max dollars to a point guard.
Stephen King said something interesting once, he said fame and money are simply like a magnifying glass, that you are what you have always been character wise, everything just seems bigger, but that core part of you will always be your reality.
Deron Williams is a selfish douchebag. He'd be a selfish douchebag if he was a trucker, if he worked on a farm, or if he was in the NBA.
I do approve of what the Jazz did. For whatever struggles that franchise had, at least they didn't get held hostage like the Melo in Denver and Howard in Orlando situations. They just told the guy to go pack his trash and leave as soon as Sloan decided he'd rather fish than deal with Deron Williams.
Think about that indictment. Sloan did something he loved forever, then decided it was easier to stop loving it than deal with Deron Williams. Is there a bigger open judgement call on a person made ever in pro sports? That's quite the mantle - that you are the kind of douchebag that saps every bit of love out of the game itself wherever you go.
But Sloan never did return and to some extent Sloan was also burn't out and cooked as well. No doubt Deron had a piece in it but as Larry Miller health failed and next generation was taking over there was a big change as NBA got to be more than just a family business. IN fact, Jazz upper management has changed again in the last year.
To me the story was not just Deron, but many forces including Sloan losing his wife and by plowing back into coaching with great intensity while not having a balance in other parts of his life. To just lay it all on Deron as the bad guy who sucked the joy out of life for Sloan. Basically Sloan is not some innocent bambi who needs protection. He allowed Deron or the game to eat him up and maybe stayed too long.
Again, not to say Deron is without fault but not everything is good guy vs. bad guy or there are clear lines. Sloan was a throw back and had an owner that had his back always. when Management changed and maybe did no't have his back 100%, it got weird for everyone.
CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:I don't know what happend in Utah other than the rumors we have all read.
I do know Deron has had a new coach in Brooklyn every year he has been there. Hollins was tough on him and he seemed to be getting some mojo back as his health improved last year.
Im suprised Nets bailed on him but also applaud them for reaching crossroads and moving foward. Not many teams would do that.
I agree but a couple of my friends that are big net fans really wanted Johnson moved instead of Deron and were really disappointed that Deron was moved. I was a bit surprised because both guys are generally objective and know a lot about the nba.
their core of johnson williams lopez is the very definition of revenue-generating mediocrity so it didn't matter who they gave the heave-ho. they are still going to be mediocre but generate revenue. it's the dolan/isiah formula of "suck-cess" ha ha ha.
