Knicks · The Phil Files Part 5 (page 2)

yellowboy90 @ 7/27/2015 6:39 PM
You know I didn't read it as Larkin game did not improve(grow), I read it as he isn't getting any taller. He saw up close how his height limited him in this system.
nixluva @ 7/27/2015 6:41 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

Larkin did have a really good opportunity to play and grow. He can't say he didn't have his shot! He just wasn't able to take advantage of the opportunities this offense gave him. When he did get inside he was not able to consistently attack among the trees. He made huge mistakes at crucial junctures in some games. His BB IQ just wasn't up to the task of running the offense. He may look better in a much different style of play.

Larkin made the same mistakes at the end of a summer league game, as he made towards the end of the regular season. I saw no growth or comfort in larkin with this system. Talk about hesitant and over thinking, that was him the final minutes in every close game.

It's hard to teach 15 to 20 players a system all at once, especially coming form a rookie coach. There was a HOST of issues last season, and everyone was new to there roles, coaching staff, players, management, and damn near everyone failed miserably.


I don't think Larkin's issues stem from issues with a Rookie coach. Of all the positions that Fisher knew best it would be the PG position. I'm pretty darned sure he could teach the very position that he played!!! This is just a case of a kid not being up to the task. It's not like he didn't get minutes or instruction. He simply couldn't absorb and execute what he was being taught. Other guards did much better than he did. Galloway and Shved in particular. Larkin wasn't the only guard we had that couldn't learn what we needed them to do.
dk7th @ 7/27/2015 7:37 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

Larkin did have a really good opportunity to play and grow. He can't say he didn't have his shot! He just wasn't able to take advantage of the opportunities this offense gave him. When he did get inside he was not able to consistently attack among the trees. He made huge mistakes at crucial junctures in some games. His BB IQ just wasn't up to the task of running the offense. He may look better in a much different style of play.

Larkin made the same mistakes at the end of a summer league game, as he made towards the end of the regular season. I saw no growth or comfort in larkin with this system. Talk about hesitant and over thinking, that was him the final minutes in every close game.

It's hard to teach 15 to 20 players a system all at once, especially coming form a rookie coach. There was a HOST of issues last season, and everyone was new to there roles, coaching staff, players, management, and damn near everyone failed miserably.

it's difficult because the american conveyor-belt approach to the nba skips over all the basic fundamentals and values that make for good basketball... and titles. when money becomes the carrot instead of competence and pride in being a team player there will be hurdles. therefore i do not indict the triangle so much as the basketball culture that has emerged in the wake of michael jordan.

dk7th @ 7/27/2015 7:39 PM
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

Larkin did have a really good opportunity to play and grow. He can't say he didn't have his shot! He just wasn't able to take advantage of the opportunities this offense gave him. When he did get inside he was not able to consistently attack among the trees. He made huge mistakes at crucial junctures in some games. His BB IQ just wasn't up to the task of running the offense. He may look better in a much different style of play.

Larkin made the same mistakes at the end of a summer league game, as he made towards the end of the regular season. I saw no growth or comfort in larkin with this system. Talk about hesitant and over thinking, that was him the final minutes in every close game.

It's hard to teach 15 to 20 players a system all at once, especially coming form a rookie coach. There was a HOST of issues last season, and everyone was new to there roles, coaching staff, players, management, and damn near everyone failed miserably.


I don't think Larkin's issues stem from issues with a Rookie coach. Of all the positions that Fisher knew best it would be the PG position. I'm pretty darned sure he could teach the very position that he played!!! This is just a case of a kid not being up to the task. It's not like he didn't get minutes or instruction. He simply couldn't absorb and execute what he was being taught. Other guards did much better than he did. Galloway and Shved in particular. Larkin wasn't the only guard we had that couldn't learn what we needed them to do.

larkin was likely a conveyor-belt player, ushered along by virtue of superior athleticism until the pond got too big for him. happens all the fuckin' time.

nixluva @ 7/27/2015 7:43 PM
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

Larkin did have a really good opportunity to play and grow. He can't say he didn't have his shot! He just wasn't able to take advantage of the opportunities this offense gave him. When he did get inside he was not able to consistently attack among the trees. He made huge mistakes at crucial junctures in some games. His BB IQ just wasn't up to the task of running the offense. He may look better in a much different style of play.

Larkin made the same mistakes at the end of a summer league game, as he made towards the end of the regular season. I saw no growth or comfort in larkin with this system. Talk about hesitant and over thinking, that was him the final minutes in every close game.

It's hard to teach 15 to 20 players a system all at once, especially coming form a rookie coach. There was a HOST of issues last season, and everyone was new to there roles, coaching staff, players, management, and damn near everyone failed miserably.


I don't think Larkin's issues stem from issues with a Rookie coach. Of all the positions that Fisher knew best it would be the PG position. I'm pretty darned sure he could teach the very position that he played!!! This is just a case of a kid not being up to the task. It's not like he didn't get minutes or instruction. He simply couldn't absorb and execute what he was being taught. Other guards did much better than he did. Galloway and Shved in particular. Larkin wasn't the only guard we had that couldn't learn what we needed them to do.

larkin was likely a conveyor-belt player, ushered along by virtue of superior athleticism until the pond got too big for him. happens all the fuckin' time.

This is why Phil keeps going after players with a high BB IQ rather than just purely athletic ability. It's OK to take a chance on an athlete and hope he can learn, like Thanasis or DWill but you can't build a team full of those guys.

dk7th @ 7/27/2015 7:52 PM
nixluva wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

Larkin did have a really good opportunity to play and grow. He can't say he didn't have his shot! He just wasn't able to take advantage of the opportunities this offense gave him. When he did get inside he was not able to consistently attack among the trees. He made huge mistakes at crucial junctures in some games. His BB IQ just wasn't up to the task of running the offense. He may look better in a much different style of play.

Larkin made the same mistakes at the end of a summer league game, as he made towards the end of the regular season. I saw no growth or comfort in larkin with this system. Talk about hesitant and over thinking, that was him the final minutes in every close game.

It's hard to teach 15 to 20 players a system all at once, especially coming form a rookie coach. There was a HOST of issues last season, and everyone was new to there roles, coaching staff, players, management, and damn near everyone failed miserably.


I don't think Larkin's issues stem from issues with a Rookie coach. Of all the positions that Fisher knew best it would be the PG position. I'm pretty darned sure he could teach the very position that he played!!! This is just a case of a kid not being up to the task. It's not like he didn't get minutes or instruction. He simply couldn't absorb and execute what he was being taught. Other guards did much better than he did. Galloway and Shved in particular. Larkin wasn't the only guard we had that couldn't learn what we needed them to do.

larkin was likely a conveyor-belt player, ushered along by virtue of superior athleticism until the pond got too big for him. happens all the fuckin' time.

This is why Phil keeps going after players with a high BB IQ rather than just purely athletic ability. It's OK to take a chance on an athlete and hope he can learn, like Thanasis or DWill but you can't build a team full of those guys.

amen!

mreinman @ 7/27/2015 8:38 PM
nixluva wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

Larkin did have a really good opportunity to play and grow. He can't say he didn't have his shot! He just wasn't able to take advantage of the opportunities this offense gave him. When he did get inside he was not able to consistently attack among the trees. He made huge mistakes at crucial junctures in some games. His BB IQ just wasn't up to the task of running the offense. He may look better in a much different style of play.

Larkin made the same mistakes at the end of a summer league game, as he made towards the end of the regular season. I saw no growth or comfort in larkin with this system. Talk about hesitant and over thinking, that was him the final minutes in every close game.

It's hard to teach 15 to 20 players a system all at once, especially coming form a rookie coach. There was a HOST of issues last season, and everyone was new to there roles, coaching staff, players, management, and damn near everyone failed miserably.


I don't think Larkin's issues stem from issues with a Rookie coach. Of all the positions that Fisher knew best it would be the PG position. I'm pretty darned sure he could teach the very position that he played!!! This is just a case of a kid not being up to the task. It's not like he didn't get minutes or instruction. He simply couldn't absorb and execute what he was being taught. Other guards did much better than he did. Galloway and Shved in particular. Larkin wasn't the only guard we had that couldn't learn what we needed them to do.

larkin was likely a conveyor-belt player, ushered along by virtue of superior athleticism until the pond got too big for him. happens all the fuckin' time.

This is why Phil keeps going after players with a high BB IQ rather than just purely athletic ability. It's OK to take a chance on an athlete and hope he can learn, like Thanasis or DWill but you can't build a team full of those guys.

Why did he go after DerWIlliams? Dalambert? These guys are high IQ guys?

nixluva @ 7/27/2015 8:45 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

Larkin did have a really good opportunity to play and grow. He can't say he didn't have his shot! He just wasn't able to take advantage of the opportunities this offense gave him. When he did get inside he was not able to consistently attack among the trees. He made huge mistakes at crucial junctures in some games. His BB IQ just wasn't up to the task of running the offense. He may look better in a much different style of play.

Larkin made the same mistakes at the end of a summer league game, as he made towards the end of the regular season. I saw no growth or comfort in larkin with this system. Talk about hesitant and over thinking, that was him the final minutes in every close game.

It's hard to teach 15 to 20 players a system all at once, especially coming form a rookie coach. There was a HOST of issues last season, and everyone was new to there roles, coaching staff, players, management, and damn near everyone failed miserably.


I don't think Larkin's issues stem from issues with a Rookie coach. Of all the positions that Fisher knew best it would be the PG position. I'm pretty darned sure he could teach the very position that he played!!! This is just a case of a kid not being up to the task. It's not like he didn't get minutes or instruction. He simply couldn't absorb and execute what he was being taught. Other guards did much better than he did. Galloway and Shved in particular. Larkin wasn't the only guard we had that couldn't learn what we needed them to do.

larkin was likely a conveyor-belt player, ushered along by virtue of superior athleticism until the pond got too big for him. happens all the fuckin' time.

This is why Phil keeps going after players with a high BB IQ rather than just purely athletic ability. It's OK to take a chance on an athlete and hope he can learn, like Thanasis or DWill but you can't build a team full of those guys.

Why did he go after DerWIlliams? Dalambert? These guys are high IQ guys?


Did anyone say that he NEVER would EVER take a shot on a guy that isn't a super high IQ guy? You seem not to have the ability to put things in perspective. Dalembert and DWill are not the NORM, they are the exception. Unless you really think that Phil doesn't have a reputation for wanting to have as many smart basketball players as he can get. It's not always possible and also sometimes you take a chance on a guy that may not have a rep for being a high IQ guys. Sometimes it works out. Let's not get caught up in a Gotcha type thing where you pick out the few guys who don't fit the mold of what Phil is trying to do.
babyKnicks @ 7/27/2015 9:06 PM
nychamp wrote:Honestly, I love hearing just about everything that comes out of his mouth. From day one pretty much. So gratifying to have a president with a plan and who has enough cache and self assurance to calmly ignore the hysteria and go in his own direction, right or wrong.

On top of that, I've liked all his moves to boot. And once upon a time (the 90s), I HATED him. He was my enemy. Glad he's working for us now.

WHAT HE SAID

dk7th @ 7/27/2015 10:14 PM
babyKnicks wrote:
nychamp wrote:Honestly, I love hearing just about everything that comes out of his mouth. From day one pretty much. So gratifying to have a president with a plan and who has enough cache and self assurance to calmly ignore the hysteria and go in his own direction, right or wrong.

On top of that, I've liked all his moves to boot. And once upon a time (the 90s), I HATED him. He was my enemy. Glad he's working for us now.

WHAT HE SAID



ME THREE
mreinman @ 7/27/2015 10:45 PM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

Larkin did have a really good opportunity to play and grow. He can't say he didn't have his shot! He just wasn't able to take advantage of the opportunities this offense gave him. When he did get inside he was not able to consistently attack among the trees. He made huge mistakes at crucial junctures in some games. His BB IQ just wasn't up to the task of running the offense. He may look better in a much different style of play.

Larkin made the same mistakes at the end of a summer league game, as he made towards the end of the regular season. I saw no growth or comfort in larkin with this system. Talk about hesitant and over thinking, that was him the final minutes in every close game.

It's hard to teach 15 to 20 players a system all at once, especially coming form a rookie coach. There was a HOST of issues last season, and everyone was new to there roles, coaching staff, players, management, and damn near everyone failed miserably.


I don't think Larkin's issues stem from issues with a Rookie coach. Of all the positions that Fisher knew best it would be the PG position. I'm pretty darned sure he could teach the very position that he played!!! This is just a case of a kid not being up to the task. It's not like he didn't get minutes or instruction. He simply couldn't absorb and execute what he was being taught. Other guards did much better than he did. Galloway and Shved in particular. Larkin wasn't the only guard we had that couldn't learn what we needed them to do.

larkin was likely a conveyor-belt player, ushered along by virtue of superior athleticism until the pond got too big for him. happens all the fuckin' time.

This is why Phil keeps going after players with a high BB IQ rather than just purely athletic ability. It's OK to take a chance on an athlete and hope he can learn, like Thanasis or DWill but you can't build a team full of those guys.

Why did he go after DerWIlliams? Dalambert? These guys are high IQ guys?


Did anyone say that he NEVER would EVER take a shot on a guy that isn't a super high IQ guy? You seem not to have the ability to put things in perspective. Dalembert and DWill are not the NORM, they are the exception. Unless you really think that Phil doesn't have a reputation for wanting to have as many smart basketball players as he can get. It's not always possible and also sometimes you take a chance on a guy that may not have a rep for being a high IQ guys. Sometimes it works out. Let's not get caught up in a Gotcha type thing where you pick out the few guys who don't fit the mold of what Phil is trying to do.

I don't have the ability to put things in perspective? That actually made me laugh coming from mr peaches.

nixluva @ 7/27/2015 10:57 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:

Larkin did have a really good opportunity to play and grow. He can't say he didn't have his shot! He just wasn't able to take advantage of the opportunities this offense gave him. When he did get inside he was not able to consistently attack among the trees. He made huge mistakes at crucial junctures in some games. His BB IQ just wasn't up to the task of running the offense. He may look better in a much different style of play.

Larkin made the same mistakes at the end of a summer league game, as he made towards the end of the regular season. I saw no growth or comfort in larkin with this system. Talk about hesitant and over thinking, that was him the final minutes in every close game.

It's hard to teach 15 to 20 players a system all at once, especially coming form a rookie coach. There was a HOST of issues last season, and everyone was new to there roles, coaching staff, players, management, and damn near everyone failed miserably.


I don't think Larkin's issues stem from issues with a Rookie coach. Of all the positions that Fisher knew best it would be the PG position. I'm pretty darned sure he could teach the very position that he played!!! This is just a case of a kid not being up to the task. It's not like he didn't get minutes or instruction. He simply couldn't absorb and execute what he was being taught. Other guards did much better than he did. Galloway and Shved in particular. Larkin wasn't the only guard we had that couldn't learn what we needed them to do.

larkin was likely a conveyor-belt player, ushered along by virtue of superior athleticism until the pond got too big for him. happens all the fuckin' time.

This is why Phil keeps going after players with a high BB IQ rather than just purely athletic ability. It's OK to take a chance on an athlete and hope he can learn, like Thanasis or DWill but you can't build a team full of those guys.

Why did he go after DerWIlliams? Dalambert? These guys are high IQ guys?


Did anyone say that he NEVER would EVER take a shot on a guy that isn't a super high IQ guy? You seem not to have the ability to put things in perspective. Dalembert and DWill are not the NORM, they are the exception. Unless you really think that Phil doesn't have a reputation for wanting to have as many smart basketball players as he can get. It's not always possible and also sometimes you take a chance on a guy that may not have a rep for being a high IQ guys. Sometimes it works out. Let's not get caught up in a Gotcha type thing where you pick out the few guys who don't fit the mold of what Phil is trying to do.

I don't have the ability to put things in perspective? That actually made me laugh coming from mr peaches.

I notice that you didn't write anything refuting my statement. My small insult was based on what you wrote and not some broad statement of your character, as your comment seems to be. See if you make a statement that doesn't show much forethought and I comment on it, the only thing you can do is state why you believe i'm incorrect. It's lame to just hurl an insult and not actually defend your own statements.

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