Knicks · Who is more qualified to coach the Knicks - Thibodeau or Fisher (page 1)

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Interesting choice of photos- I'm sure that they were chosen totally at random.

Im actually worried about Thibs' health...looks like he was spending too much time at Giordano’s while living in Chicago.

Fisher is our coach, bye

WaltLongmire wrote:Interesting choice of photos- I'm sure that they were chosen totally at random.

Im actually worried about Thibs' health...looks like he was spending too much time at Giordano’s while living in Chicago.

yeah, I think the photos are a good representation of the typical sideline demeanor and differing personalities from both coaches

Fisher - stoic
Thibs - animated

EnySpree wrote:Fisher is our coach, bye

thanks, and in other news, water is wet

I think the Knicks want some continuity and don't want to be seen as a dysfunctional franchise. Just read an interview with Jason Thompson where he mentioned 8 coaches in 8 years and the annual turnover in teammates. I like Thibs but I think Fisher is the guy for now. If he doesn't workout as a coach I think Fisher is eventually moved into a front office position.

I say get Shaw and Thibs on staff or maybe just Shaw and have Thibs be a defensive consultant in training camp. It might be good to go against the conventional.

Also, maybe bring in Rasheed Wallace as a Kristaps Tudor.

Well when you put a completely new team together you better expect there to be some growing pains. These guys have never played with each other except Afflalo and Melo 5/6 years ago so if you or anyone thinks they should come out as a complete team then you might want to think about that and give them some time to build some team chemistry. Who knows, maybe they'll build that in practice before the season but it will most likely take some time. I think Fisher gets the full season to coach this team but he needs to make the playoffs even if it's the 8th seed.

yellowboy90 wrote:I say get Shaw and Thibs on staff or maybe just Shaw and have Thibs be a defensive consultant in training camp. It might be good to go against the conventional.

Also, maybe bring in Rasheed Wallace as a Kristaps Tudor.

I want nothing to do with Shaw who just came off of doing a horrible job with Denver and that team had a lot of talent.

newyorker4ever wrote:Well when you put a completely new team together you better expect there to be some growing pains. These guys have never played with each other except Afflalo and Melo 5/6 years ago so if you or anyone thinks they should come out as a complete team then you might want to think about that and give them some time to build some team chemistry. Who knows, maybe they'll build that in practice before the season but it will most likely take some time. I think Fisher gets the full season to coach this team but he needs to make the playoffs even if it's the 8th seed.

Afflalo Also played with O'Quinn and Lopez.

newyorker4ever wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I say get Shaw and Thibs on staff or maybe just Shaw and have Thibs be a defensive consultant in training camp. It might be good to go against the conventional.

Also, maybe bring in Rasheed Wallace as a Kristaps Tudor.

I want nothing to do with Shaw who just came off of doing a horrible job with Denver and that team had a lot of talent.

He is not going to be a head coach. If you go off of head coaching performances the entire staff would be gone and a lot of staffs around the nba would shrink.

CrushAlot wrote:I think the Knicks want some continuity and don't want to be seen as a dysfunctional franchise. Just read an interview with Jason Thompson where he mentioned 8 coaches in 8 years and the annual turnover in teammates. I like Thibs but I think Fisher is the guy for now. If he doesn't workout as a coach I think Fisher is eventually moved into a front office position.

I agree that changing coaches every couple of season is probably not a good thing, and thibs will never replace fisher as long as Phil has anything to do with it. If fisher is replace, it's almost certainly going to be with someone in phils circle

I agree with most everything posted in this thread

Knicks will not make a coaching change in season. They need to maintain some continuity for once. I do however think Fisher and the triangle will be under fire this season if the team doesn't come together under the triangle by Feb.

I hadn't thought of Fisher moving into the front office, but I like it. Seems like a logical progression for him and one that might fit him better then coaching

Thibs is not in Phil's circle.

When I look at this roster, I can't help think that Thibs would be a great fit. Would love to see the Knicks bring him on board as a defensive specialist

Rookie wrote:Fisher - stoic
Thibs - animated

Fisher

Pros - Can deal with difficult personalities and understands how to relate to the modern player, understands what it's like to grind as a non star, was a union leader so understands the nuances of league politics

Cons - Was always a dirty player so will always question his desire to do what's right for team over his own desires, inexperience as coach, not known as a pure X's and O's type technician.

Thibs

Pros - You will play defense or you will not play at all. You will play hard or you will not play at all. You will subvert your game to the team concept or you will not play at all. No money, no fame, no enticement, no leverage can sway this guy. Play the right way or he will run you over. Will likely burn out in any new location after a few years. Will feud with the media if he has to do it.

Cons - He needs a veteran team, who can self motivate, to really generate results. He and Melo would be like fire and oil together. Thibs will demand, low IQ or not, Melo put out 150 percent effort on defense. Melo will whine then tell Leon Rose and CAA to attack Thibs in the press. Then Thibs will humilate Melo in the media, then Melo will sulk and then refuse to play at all, trying to coach kill Thibs, except Thibs has such a strong reputation now, that it will end up costing them both.

If you want a coach who knows how to be a general, then you need guys on the roster who know how to be a trooper. Melo won't suck it up and be a good soldier, Melo wants what Melo wants, team be damned.

Fisher works with Melo because Fisher actually EXCELLED at dealing with Kobe Bryant - a team killing/coach killing anti unity selfish narcissist chucker rapist who violated any sense of actual team cohesion and voided any sense of responsibility to be a leader on and off the court. In terms of viciousness, Bryant is like a violent ex con just let loose from prison. Melo is like a guy who walks his dog and, if no one is looking, won't pick up his dog's poop. Both are jack offs, but one is simply a total savage while the other is just a more sedate version of low character.

Can't have an excellent coach with Melo on the roster. Dealing with Melo is just unattractive to a coach with success in the league and with real choices. ( Hell Phil Jackson called the Knicks a "clumsy roster" and didn't want to coach them himself, what does that say to you? )

TripleThreat wrote:

Rookie wrote:Fisher - stoic
Thibs - animated

Fisher

Pros - Can deal with difficult personalities and understands how to relate to the modern player, understands what it's like to grind as a non star, was a union leader so understands the nuances of league politics

Cons - Was always a dirty player so will always question his desire to do what's right for team over his own desires, inexperience as coach, not known as a pure X's and O's type technician.

Thibs

Pros - You will play defense or you will not play at all. You will play hard or you will not play at all. You will subvert your game to the team concept or you will not play at all. No money, no fame, no enticement, no leverage can sway this guy. Play the right way or he will run you over. Will likely burn out in any new location after a few years. Will feud with the media if he has to do it.

Cons - He needs a veteran team, who can self motivate, to really generate results. He and Melo would be like fire and oil together. Thibs will demand, low IQ or not, Melo put out 150 percent effort on defense. Melo will whine then tell Leon Rose and CAA to attack Thibs in the press. Then Thibs will humilate Melo in the media, then Melo will sulk and then refuse to play at all, trying to coach kill Thibs, except Thibs has such a strong reputation now, that it will end up costing them both.

If you want a coach who knows how to be a general, then you need guys on the roster who know how to be a trooper. Melo won't suck it up and be a good soldier, Melo wants what Melo wants, team be damned.

Fisher works with Melo because Fisher actually EXCELLED at dealing with Kobe Bryant - a team killing/coach killing anti unity selfish narcissist chucker rapist who violated any sense of actual team cohesion and voided any sense of responsibility to be a leader on and off the court. In terms of viciousness, Bryant is like a violent ex con just let loose from prison. Melo is like a guy who walks his dog and, if no one is looking, won't pick up his dog's poop. Both are jack offs, but one is simply a total savage while the other is just a more sedate version of low character.

Can't have an excellent coach with Melo on the roster. Dealing with Melo is just unattractive to a coach with success in the league and with real choices. ( Hell Phil Jackson called the Knicks a "clumsy roster" and didn't want to coach them himself, what does that say to you? )

doen"t Leon Rose/CAA represent both Thibs and Anthony?

Rookie wrote:doen"t Leon Rose/CAA represent both Thibs and Anthony?

CAA repped Mike Woodson and he got the smear job as well.

Given Thibs is white and Melo is black, wouldn't surprise me if Melo tried to angle the press that Thibs is harder on black players than white ones.

Why did Kobe Bryant stay silent when Phil Jackson came back to the Lakers after leaving and writing a book about Kobe Bryant as a giant POS? Because the book was out on Mamba, any excellent coach out there with choices would rather not deal with that kind of headache.

What coach wants to walk into a team with one of the worst owners in sports, a gutted team just barely floating above it's 17 wins the year before, having possibly one of the least talented overall rosters in the NBA, shades of Zeke looming around, and having a franchise player who you can't make do anything because Big Daddy Dolan will say leave him alone and let him do whatever he wants?

A coach with choices will want nothing to do with Melo.

A coach just wanting to be an NBA head coach and will coach anywhere? Sure. Plenty of those will say yes to the job.

TripleThreat wrote:

Rookie wrote:doen"t Leon Rose/CAA represent both Thibs and Anthony?

CAA repped Mike Woodson and he got the smear job as well.

Given Thibs is white and Melo is black, wouldn't surprise me if Melo tried to angle the press that Thibs is harder on black players than white ones.

Why did Kobe Bryant stay silent when Phil Jackson came back to the Lakers after leaving and writing a book about Kobe Bryant as a giant POS? Because the book was out on Mamba, any excellent coach out there with choices would rather not deal with that kind of headache.

What coach wants to walk into a team with one of the worst owners in sports, a gutted team just barely floating above it's 17 wins the year before, having possibly one of the least talented overall rosters in the NBA, shades of Zeke looming around, and having a franchise player who you can't make do anything because Big Daddy Dolan will say leave him alone and let him do whatever he wants?

A coach with choices will want nothing to do with Melo.

A coach just wanting to be an NBA head coach and will coach anywhere? Sure. Plenty of those will say yes to the job.

Last week, we learned Carmelo Anthony had been quizzing famous Chicagoans about what it’s like to live under the microscope in the Windy City.

Now comes word that Chicago coach Tom Thibodeau would love to coach Carmelo.

Yes, the signals keep getting stronger that the Bulls will be a front-runner in the Carmelo sweepstakes.

Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim, who coached alongside Thibodeau at the Team USA training camp last summer in Las Vegas, said in an interview with the New York Post that Thibodeau is smitten with the idea of coaching Anthony.

And, Boeheim says, Carmelo would be excited about playing for Thibodeau.

“I’ve talked to Tom about Melo, his name has come up," Boeheim said. “I think Tom is very excited about the possibility of getting Carmelo. He likes him. He likes how he plays. He feels he’s coachable. I think Tom Thibodeau is one of the better coaches in the NBA. Carmelo would be happy playing for him. It would be a good fit -- the coach-player relationship."

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/...

TripleThreat wrote:

Rookie wrote:doen"t Leon Rose/CAA represent both Thibs and Anthony?

CAA repped Mike Woodson and he got the smear job as well.

Given Thibs is white and Melo is black, wouldn't surprise me if Melo tried to angle the press that Thibs is harder on black players than white ones.

Why did Kobe Bryant stay silent when Phil Jackson came back to the Lakers after leaving and writing a book about Kobe Bryant as a giant POS? Because the book was out on Mamba, any excellent coach out there with choices would rather not deal with that kind of headache.

What coach wants to walk into a team with one of the worst owners in sports, a gutted team just barely floating above it's 17 wins the year before, having possibly one of the least talented overall rosters in the NBA, shades of Zeke looming around, and having a franchise player who you can't make do anything because Big Daddy Dolan will say leave him alone and let him do whatever he wants?

A coach with choices will want nothing to do with Melo.

A coach just wanting to be an NBA head coach and will coach anywhere? Sure. Plenty of those will say yes to the job.

What are you basing this on?

The Knicks played hard for Fisher after the trade. It was clear to me that Fisher was able to get thru to his players and if he had more talent they clearly could've won more games. It easy to knock Fish but he had the Summer League team playing fast and as a team. Aside from the early part of last season Fish has done a good job. The rough start is understandable given it was his rookie season.

We can't know for sure how good a coach Fish is going to be after such a short stint under less than acceptable circumstances. It all starts with the talent. At least this roster looks like a better fit for the system and is filled with more team oriented, hard working players who aren't poor character guys.

nixluva wrote:The Knicks played hard for Fisher after the trade. It was clear to me that Fisher was able to get thru to his players and if he had more talent they clearly could've won more games. It easy to knock Fish but he had the Summer League team playing fast and as a team. Aside from the early part of last season Fish has done a good job. The rough start is understandable given it was his rookie season.

We can't know for sure how good a coach Fish is going to be after such a short stint under less than acceptable circumstances. It all starts with the talent. At least this roster looks like a better fit for the system and is filled with more team oriented, hard working players who aren't poor character guys.

I give Fisher credit for leadership. He kept the team together and prevented a losing season from becoming a dysfunctional train wreck. He also got everyone to buy into the team philosophy and a rigid adherence to the system.

CrushAlot wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

Rookie wrote:doen"t Leon Rose/CAA represent both Thibs and Anthony?

CAA repped Mike Woodson and he got the smear job as well.

Given Thibs is white and Melo is black, wouldn't surprise me if Melo tried to angle the press that Thibs is harder on black players than white ones.

Why did Kobe Bryant stay silent when Phil Jackson came back to the Lakers after leaving and writing a book about Kobe Bryant as a giant POS? Because the book was out on Mamba, any excellent coach out there with choices would rather not deal with that kind of headache.

What coach wants to walk into a team with one of the worst owners in sports, a gutted team just barely floating above it's 17 wins the year before, having possibly one of the least talented overall rosters in the NBA, shades of Zeke looming around, and having a franchise player who you can't make do anything because Big Daddy Dolan will say leave him alone and let him do whatever he wants?

A coach with choices will want nothing to do with Melo.

A coach just wanting to be an NBA head coach and will coach anywhere? Sure. Plenty of those will say yes to the job.

What are you basing this on?

Why does everything have to be based on race? Thats the cop out lazy analysis of many people. The challenge is to look beyond race first, and just maybe there are other variables to consider. I personally rather have Thibs for this team. But I also rather have consistency. And Phil rather have someone he can dethrone or over shadow at any time. With Thibs, it's disrespectful. With Fisher, it's a teaching moment.