smackeddog wrote:Fair enough
Agreed. If they all play up to their potential, they should easily double their win total from last season.
Probably end up on the outside looking in the playoffs, possibly sneak in the 8th seed if they win a few more games.
I'm looking at this year as strictly a building block season, as KP and Grant go through their rookie growing pains. They'll add a few more pieces and continue building, season by season.
I think Knicks will have an outside shot at playoffs if everything breaks right. Their future depends on KP and Grant.
It's a fair assessment considering where the team is coming from. It's very hard to gauge a team like this. No big names added so you don't get the benefit of the doubt. I think this is the kind of team that could really embody the concept of "The Whole Being Greater Than The Sum Of It's Parts". They can get a lot done if everyone digs in and gives max effort as they have been known to do. A team full of those kinds of players can play above their expected level.
They're gonna have to do it with hard work since they don't really have a lot of proven scoring punch. Melo if healthy and Afflalo have the potential to be quality primary scoring. After them you have to hope for a total team effort. A Healthy Melo and Afflalo could be a much better top of the boxscore tandem than we had last year. Lopez should be more dependable than what we got out of the C Spot last year as well.
The X factor could be a combination of what we get from the YOOTS. Would be nice if we can get some decent energy and production for the likes of KP, Jerian, Gallo, DWill and Early. If they give us the energy and chemistry from Summer League I think they can help. They don't have to carry the load but if they can add to the mix in a positive manner like Gallo did last year it would really help.
I'm willing to put a huge wager on the Knicks making the playoffs......
Yes, I'm very optomistic.....But I'm also realistic. And if everybody can remain healthy, theres a very good chance of us making the playoffs. Every single player on the roster has a chip on their shoulder. This wasn't the case when we had Melo and Amari playing together. This team, this coach and this GM are all hungry to succeed. Thats a recipe alone for future success. This is the only time I don't mind making the playoffs, since we don't have a pick anyway. And it will be a great learning experience for the rookies to play a 7 game series.....I think Grant and KP are the types to step up in pressure moments.....Both have great basketball blood lines to back that up.....
blkexec wrote:I'm willing to put a huge wager on the Knicks making the playoffs......Yes, I'm very optomistic.....But I'm also realistic. And if everybody can remain healthy, theres a very good chance of us making the playoffs. Every single player on the roster has a chip on their shoulder. This wasn't the case when we had Melo and Amari playing together. This team, this coach and this GM are all hungry to succeed. Thats a recipe alone for future success. This is the only time I don't mind making the playoffs, since we don't have a pick anyway. And it will be a great learning experience for the rookies to play a 7 game series.....I think Grant and KP are the types to step up in pressure moments.....Both have great basketball blood lines to back that up.....
ok ... lets do it. Stakes?
blkexec wrote:I'm willing to put a huge wager on the Knicks making the playoffs......Yes, I'm very optomistic.....But I'm also realistic. And if everybody can remain healthy, theres a very good chance of us making the playoffs. Every single player on the roster has a chip on their shoulder. This wasn't the case when we had Melo and Amari playing together. This team, this coach and this GM are all hungry to succeed. Thats a recipe alone for future success. This is the only time I don't mind making the playoffs, since we don't have a pick anyway. And it will be a great learning experience for the rookies to play a 7 game series.....I think Grant and KP are the types to step up in pressure moments.....Both have great basketball blood lines to back that up.....
i'm not optimistic because i don't trust melo to change. or put another way, it's a long season and he may not be up to the task of changing. not talented enough or smart enough. if you think he can change then you are certainly NOT being realistic.
dk7th wrote:blkexec wrote:I'm willing to put a huge wager on the Knicks making the playoffs......Yes, I'm very optomistic.....But I'm also realistic. And if everybody can remain healthy, theres a very good chance of us making the playoffs. Every single player on the roster has a chip on their shoulder. This wasn't the case when we had Melo and Amari playing together. This team, this coach and this GM are all hungry to succeed. Thats a recipe alone for future success. This is the only time I don't mind making the playoffs, since we don't have a pick anyway. And it will be a great learning experience for the rookies to play a 7 game series.....I think Grant and KP are the types to step up in pressure moments.....Both have great basketball blood lines to back that up.....
i'm not optimistic because i don't trust melo to change. or put another way, it's a long season and he may not be up to the task of changing. not talented enough or smart enough. if you think he can change then you are certainly NOT being realistic.
If he stays the same and hits his career averages of 25, 7 and 3 I think the Knicks will be fine. He obviously has been working on the triangle and he will have better teammates this year.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:blkexec wrote:I'm willing to put a huge wager on the Knicks making the playoffs......Yes, I'm very optomistic.....But I'm also realistic. And if everybody can remain healthy, theres a very good chance of us making the playoffs. Every single player on the roster has a chip on their shoulder. This wasn't the case when we had Melo and Amari playing together. This team, this coach and this GM are all hungry to succeed. Thats a recipe alone for future success. This is the only time I don't mind making the playoffs, since we don't have a pick anyway. And it will be a great learning experience for the rookies to play a 7 game series.....I think Grant and KP are the types to step up in pressure moments.....Both have great basketball blood lines to back that up.....
i'm not optimistic because i don't trust melo to change. or put another way, it's a long season and he may not be up to the task of changing. not talented enough or smart enough. if you think he can change then you are certainly NOT being realistic.
If he stays the same and hits his career averages of 25, 7 and 3 I think the Knicks will be fine. He obviously has been working on the triangle and he will have better teammates this year.
he'll need to get closer to 6 assists to be effective in the triangle. that's the assist number of jordan and bryant. melo is not that guy. also, the usage to assist ratio for both jordan and bryant is around 1.3:1, or 1.4:1.
melo's best year in terms of this ratio was playing UNDER chauncey billups, the mvp of the finals. again, melo is just not that guy. he's a lumbering swingman/tweener.
and then lets compare jordan and bryant's conditioning to anthony's conditioning......................................
dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:blkexec wrote:I'm willing to put a huge wager on the Knicks making the playoffs......Yes, I'm very optomistic.....But I'm also realistic. And if everybody can remain healthy, theres a very good chance of us making the playoffs. Every single player on the roster has a chip on their shoulder. This wasn't the case when we had Melo and Amari playing together. This team, this coach and this GM are all hungry to succeed. Thats a recipe alone for future success. This is the only time I don't mind making the playoffs, since we don't have a pick anyway. And it will be a great learning experience for the rookies to play a 7 game series.....I think Grant and KP are the types to step up in pressure moments.....Both have great basketball blood lines to back that up.....
i'm not optimistic because i don't trust melo to change. or put another way, it's a long season and he may not be up to the task of changing. not talented enough or smart enough. if you think he can change then you are certainly NOT being realistic.
If he stays the same and hits his career averages of 25, 7 and 3 I think the Knicks will be fine. He obviously has been working on the triangle and he will have better teammates this year.
he'll need to get closer to 6 assists to be effective in the triangle. that's the assist number of jordan and bryant. melo is not that guy. also, the usage to assist ratio for both jordan and bryant is around 1.3:1, or 1.4:1.
melo's best year in terms of this ratio was playing UNDER chauncey billups, the mvp of the finals. again, melo is just not that guy. he's a lumbering swingman/tweener.
and then lets compare jordan and bryant's conditioning to anthony's conditioning......................................
Mike was at 6 assists pre baseball but was around 4 when he came back. Kobe was never at 6 when they were winning championships, usually around 5. I am going to go with Phil on this one.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:blkexec wrote:I'm willing to put a huge wager on the Knicks making the playoffs......Yes, I'm very optomistic.....But I'm also realistic. And if everybody can remain healthy, theres a very good chance of us making the playoffs. Every single player on the roster has a chip on their shoulder. This wasn't the case when we had Melo and Amari playing together. This team, this coach and this GM are all hungry to succeed. Thats a recipe alone for future success. This is the only time I don't mind making the playoffs, since we don't have a pick anyway. And it will be a great learning experience for the rookies to play a 7 game series.....I think Grant and KP are the types to step up in pressure moments.....Both have great basketball blood lines to back that up.....
i'm not optimistic because i don't trust melo to change. or put another way, it's a long season and he may not be up to the task of changing. not talented enough or smart enough. if you think he can change then you are certainly NOT being realistic.
If he stays the same and hits his career averages of 25, 7 and 3 I think the Knicks will be fine. He obviously has been working on the triangle and he will have better teammates this year.
he'll need to get closer to 6 assists to be effective in the triangle. that's the assist number of jordan and bryant. melo is not that guy. also, the usage to assist ratio for both jordan and bryant is around 1.3:1, or 1.4:1.
melo's best year in terms of this ratio was playing UNDER chauncey billups, the mvp of the finals. again, melo is just not that guy. he's a lumbering swingman/tweener.
and then lets compare jordan and bryant's conditioning to anthony's conditioning......................................
Mike was at 6 assists pre baseball but was around 4 when he came back. Kobe was never at 6 when they were winning championships, usually around 5. I am going to go with Phil on this one.
Not only that, but I actually see Melo passing a lot more in gams than he's given credit for, but when the team wasn't able to score it really didn't matter. How many assists did JR dribble away, Shump fail to convert or Prigs pass up? I think we have a better chance to see Melo get a few more assists with this roster. In the end it doesn't matter how many assists he personally gets because that's not really how this offense works.
Usually the assists are spread pretty evenly. There are a lot of "hockey assists" when you run the Triangle. That's why PG's don't usually have a ton of assists in the Triangle. Melo just needs to play in the flow, pass if he's doubled and he'll be fine. It's possible for him to end up at about 4 assists this year.
hockey assists would be nice. Melo does not pass out of the double, triple, quadruple, quintuple team. I hoped that he would last year since phil is/was our zen master. It did not happen. Don't expect it this year or you will be disappointed / wrong. Melo is Melo. Check ..........
mreinman wrote:hockey assists would be nice. Melo does not pass out of the double, triple, quadruple, quintuple team. I hoped that he would last year since phil is/was our zen master. It did not happen. Don't expect it this year or you will be disappointed / wrong. Melo is Melo. Check ..........
Well his ast% was up higher than it had been the previous 2 yrs. He needs to keep going on the up scale.
mreinman wrote:hockey assists would be nice. Melo does not pass out of the double, triple, quadruple, quintuple team. I hoped that he would last year since phil is/was our zen master. It did not happen. Don't expect it this year or you will be disappointed / wrong. Melo is Melo. Check ..........
We all know Melo isn't a passer but I think he'll get in the spirit when the team as a whole is moving the ball better as I expect they will this year. The one underrated aspect of Phil's moves is that he's added more passing to the team. There are more players who actually are willing passers this year. That kind of thing can be contagious.
Also more finishers will make guys want to give the ball up. That's been one of the biggest issues for Melo IMO. He's the kind of guy that will call his own number if he doesn't have faith in the other guys to actually finish the passes he makes. He's got some guys who will finish around the basket and I believe he will trust Afflalo, KP, Vujacic, Jerian and Jose to make shots.
mreinman wrote:hockey assists would be nice. Melo does not pass out of the double, triple, quadruple, quintuple team. I hoped that he would last year since phil is/was our zen master. It did not happen. Don't expect it this year or you will be disappointed / wrong. Melo is Melo. Check ..........
I actually saw it happen for like two games when we played the pelicans and the magic . I actually thought that t was.going to continue but unfortunately I was wrong.
Lets go Melo.....I got my money on you to lead this team to the playoffs.....I will buy the first round whenever UK fans meet up.
Fisher on the other hand is the real issue. For example....If Phil was the coach, do you think he would allow Melo to comtinue shooting in triple coverage? I dont fault Melo.....hes an offensive assassin.....hes not good if hes indecisive with the ball. But its up to the coach and staff to mold him into a productive triangle player. Melo will not change on his own....old dogs cant learn new tricks without professional training. Does Fisher have enough tuff luv to sit Melo and give him the business during in game situations? Thats the problem I have with Fisher and his staff.
ChuckBuck wrote:smackeddog wrote:Fair enough
Agreed. If they all play up to their potential, they should easily double their win total from last season.
Probably end up on the outside looking in the playoffs, possibly sneak in the 8th seed if they win a few more games.
I'm looking at this year as strictly a building block season, as KP and Grant go through their rookie growing pains. They'll add a few more pieces and continue building, season by season.
Very fair and I agree this is going to be a building block season.
I do feel the charecter of this group will build an identity. People trash Lou and Lance but the team took on their personalities down the stretch. The Knicks didn't have the talent to win but they had the heart to complete. Our talent level increased this off season but we basically got a team full of Lou and Lance. I think we will display that identity from the start. I have a great feeling about this group. Even if we don't make the playoffs, I feel this group will establish our style of play and establish our identity going forward. Foundation is being laid my friends
EnySpree wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:smackeddog wrote:Fair enough
Agreed. If they all play up to their potential, they should easily double their win total from last season.
Probably end up on the outside looking in the playoffs, possibly sneak in the 8th seed if they win a few more games.
I'm looking at this year as strictly a building block season, as KP and Grant go through their rookie growing pains. They'll add a few more pieces and continue building, season by season.
Very fair and I agree this is going to be a building block season.
I do feel the charecter of this group will build an identity. People trash Lou and Lance but the team took on their personalities down the stretch. The Knicks didn't have the talent to win but they had the heart to complete. Our talent level increased this off season but we basically got a team full of Lou and Lance. I think we will display that identity from the start. I have a great feeling about this group. Even if we don't make the playoffs, I feel this group will establish our style of play and establish our identity going forward. Foundation is being laid my friends
Yup. Bunch of no name no frills guys really. I mean O'Quinn, Seraphim, RoLo, Lance, Lou...not exactly the most glamorous guys in the NBA.
Like you said, it's about establishing a role for each player, buying into the system, and setting a tone for this season and beyond.
Hopefully by 2020 we'll see a consistent year to year contender like we had in the 1990's Knicks.
at first I wanted to dismiss the ranking but it's fair. DA is a good reporter
SupremeCommander wrote:at first I wanted to dismiss the ranking but it's fair. DA is a good reporter
OKC at #19 threw me for a loop
