Knicks · Triangle 101: Not Just Xs and Os . . . (page 1)

"We also need players who have the quality of mindfulness, who can be here now, who [don't] get fixated on the refs, or on getting even if their man just scored. That's a difficult mindset for 19-year-old kids who've spent their entire lives in our current culture that caters to flash-interests."

The cultural revolution will not be televised, and it won't always show up on advanced stats.

Malcolm wrote:Master Phil saith: "So we need guys who will ice after practice, watch what they eat, avoid having those three extra beers when they party, and get the rest they need. I think we succeeded in getting this particular cultural change.

"We also need players who have the quality of mindfulness, who can be here now, who [don't] get fixated on the refs, or on getting even if their man just scored. That's a difficult mindset for 19-year-old kids who've spent their entire lives in our current culture that caters to flash-interests."

Classic example of that here:

Player who won't be mentioned busy arguing with the refs, while his guy dunks unimpeded.

Nalod wrote:The cultural revolution will not be televised, and it won't always show up on advanced stats.

Yes, and I'm just looking hopefully for signs that some of the Triangle culture "intangibles" are coming our way.

For example, the Bulls had one "marches-to-beat-of-different-drummer" sort of guy: Rodman. And the Lakers had one: Artest.

Robin Lopez . . . seems like a good candidate for similar role on Knicks. Have you been following his twitters on ESPN.com (?)

ChuckBuck wrote:

Malcolm wrote:Master Phil saith: "So we need guys who will ice after practice, watch what they eat, avoid having those three extra beers when they party, and get the rest they need. I think we succeeded in getting this particular cultural change.

"We also need players who have the quality of mindfulness, who can be here now, who [don't] get fixated on the refs, or on getting even if their man just scored. That's a difficult mindset for 19-year-old kids who've spent their entire lives in our current culture that caters to flash-interests."

Classic example of that here:

Player who won't be mentioned busy arguing with the refs, while his guy dunks unimpeded.

You have a reference file of MeloFails youtubes on hand?

Melo went 14-28 and 7-12 that game for 37 pts. Lead the league in scoring that year.
won 54 games and I think they started 14-4 that year? And you show the stinker loss on the road?
I thought Woodson did a good job that year and knicks played over their heads. I expected less and enjoyed the season.

Did you? or does Melo just ruin everything for you? I know, we only went in the second round of playoffs. Did you expect more?
Melo is what he is.

JR went 2-12 that game in a season he was sixth man of the year. Problem is the label "Man" was used liberally.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Malcolm wrote:Master Phil saith: "So we need guys who will ice after practice, watch what they eat, avoid having those three extra beers when they party, and get the rest they need. I think we succeeded in getting this particular cultural change.

"We also need players who have the quality of mindfulness, who can be here now, who [don't] get fixated on the refs, or on getting even if their man just scored. That's a difficult mindset for 19-year-old kids who've spent their entire lives in our current culture that caters to flash-interests."

Classic example of that here:

Player who won't be mentioned busy arguing with the refs, while his guy dunks unimpeded.

You have a reference file of MeloFails youtubes on hand?

Melo went 14-28 and 7-12 that game for 37 pts. Lead the league in scoring that year.
won 54 games and I think they started 14-4 that year? And you show the stinker loss on the road?
I thought Woodson did a good job that year and knicks played over their heads. I expected less and enjoyed the season.

Did you? or does Melo just ruin everything for you? I know, we only went in the second round of playoffs. Did you expect more?
Melo is what he is.

JR went 2-12 that game in a season he was sixth man of the year. Problem is the label "Man" was used liberally.

Just a reference file of fails when it matters the most:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Malcolm wrote:Master Phil saith: "So we need guys who will ice after practice, watch what they eat, avoid having those three extra beers when they party, and get the rest they need. I think we succeeded in getting this particular cultural change.

"We also need players who have the quality of mindfulness, who can be here now, who [don't] get fixated on the refs, or on getting even if their man just scored. That's a difficult mindset for 19-year-old kids who've spent their entire lives in our current culture that caters to flash-interests."

Classic example of that here:

Player who won't be mentioned busy arguing with the refs, while his guy dunks unimpeded.

You have a reference file of MeloFails youtubes on hand?

Melo went 14-28 and 7-12 that game for 37 pts. Lead the league in scoring that year.
won 54 games and I think they started 14-4 that year? And you show the stinker loss on the road?
I thought Woodson did a good job that year and knicks played over their heads. I expected less and enjoyed the season.

Did you? or does Melo just ruin everything for you? I know, we only went in the second round of playoffs. Did you expect more?
Melo is what he is.

JR went 2-12 that game in a season he was sixth man of the year. Problem is the label "Man" was used liberally.

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Malcolm wrote:Master Phil saith: "So we need guys who will ice after practice, watch what they eat, avoid having those three extra beers when they party, and get the rest they need. I think we succeeded in getting this particular cultural change.

"We also need players who have the quality of mindfulness, who can be here now, who [don't] get fixated on the refs, or on getting even if their man just scored. That's a difficult mindset for 19-year-old kids who've spent their entire lives in our current culture that caters to flash-interests."

Classic example of that here:

Player who won't be mentioned busy arguing with the refs, while his guy dunks unimpeded.

You have a reference file of MeloFails youtubes on hand?

Melo went 14-28 and 7-12 that game for 37 pts. Lead the league in scoring that year.
won 54 games and I think they started 14-4 that year? And you show the stinker loss on the road?
I thought Woodson did a good job that year and knicks played over their heads. I expected less and enjoyed the season.

Did you? or does Melo just ruin everything for you? I know, we only went in the second round of playoffs. Did you expect more?
Melo is what he is.

JR went 2-12 that game in a season he was sixth man of the year. Problem is the label "Man" was used liberally.

zero perspective... none. He has every Melo fail video ready to go. If you look at all of Chucks posts and factor in the % that are simply anti-Melo with no logic or reasoning its puzzling why someone would spend so much time hating on someone who is actually pretty good. But then again he's a Jet fan so that might explain some things

That hurt fishmike....

fishmike wrote:sorry chuck.. but people can change! I would suggest forgetting everything you know about MElo and Phil and the Knicks and try watching every game as if you know nothing about these players... if they yack it up call em out. If they tear it up prop em up. Just a thought.

my wife asked me to do the same thing about her.

fishmike wrote:sorry chuck.. but people can change! I would suggest forgetting everything you know about MElo and Phil and the Knicks and try watching every game as if you know nothing about these players... if they yack it up call em out. If they tear it up prop em up. Just a thought.

I will wipe my slate clean of "person who shall not be mentioned" from this post on!

I will only be judge, jury, and executioner when the games matter.

Consider this a grace period for now.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Malcolm wrote:Master Phil saith: "So we need guys who will ice after practice, watch what they eat, avoid having those three extra beers when they party, and get the rest they need. I think we succeeded in getting this particular cultural change.

"We also need players who have the quality of mindfulness, who can be here now, who [don't] get fixated on the refs, or on getting even if their man just scored. That's a difficult mindset for 19-year-old kids who've spent their entire lives in our current culture that caters to flash-interests."

Classic example of that here:

Player who won't be mentioned busy arguing with the refs, while his guy dunks unimpeded.

You have a reference file of MeloFails youtubes on hand?

Melo went 14-28 and 7-12 that game for 37 pts. Lead the league in scoring that year.
won 54 games and I think they started 14-4 that year? And you show the stinker loss on the road?
I thought Woodson did a good job that year and knicks played over their heads. I expected less and enjoyed the season.

Did you? or does Melo just ruin everything for you? I know, we only went in the second round of playoffs. Did you expect more?
Melo is what he is.

JR went 2-12 that game in a season he was sixth man of the year. Problem is the label "Man" was used liberally.

Just a reference file of fails when it matters the most:

A 6 7" guy getting his shot block by a 7 2" guy WOOOW thats amazing

Malcolm wrote:Master Phil saith: "So we need guys who will ice after practice, watch what they eat, avoid having those three extra beers when they party, and get the rest they need. I think we succeeded in getting this particular cultural change.

"We also need players who have the quality of mindfulness, who can be here now, who [don't] get fixated on the refs, or on getting even if their man just scored. That's a difficult mindset for 19-year-old kids who've spent their entire lives in our current culture that caters to flash-interests."

Professionalism...

triangle....
sun, moon and stars...
man, woman, child.....
knowledge, wisdom and understanding

i can dig it. Wish everyone else did

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Malcolm wrote:Master Phil saith: "So we need guys who will ice after practice, watch what they eat, avoid having those three extra beers when they party, and get the rest they need. I think we succeeded in getting this particular cultural change.

"We also need players who have the quality of mindfulness, who can be here now, who [don't] get fixated on the refs, or on getting even if their man just scored. That's a difficult mindset for 19-year-old kids who've spent their entire lives in our current culture that caters to flash-interests."

Classic example of that here:

Player who won't be mentioned busy arguing with the refs, while his guy dunks unimpeded.

You have a reference file of MeloFails youtubes on hand?

Melo went 14-28 and 7-12 that game for 37 pts. Lead the league in scoring that year.
won 54 games and I think they started 14-4 that year? And you show the stinker loss on the road?
I thought Woodson did a good job that year and knicks played over their heads. I expected less and enjoyed the season.

Did you? or does Melo just ruin everything for you? I know, we only went in the second round of playoffs. Did you expect more?
Melo is what he is.

JR went 2-12 that game in a season he was sixth man of the year. Problem is the label "Man" was used liberally.

Just a reference file of fails when it matters the most:

A 6 7" guy getting his shot block by a 7 2" guy WOOOW thats amazing

that should have been a pocket pass to chandler but hey that's blind melo jefferson for you.

knicks1248 wrote:

A 6 7" guy getting his shot block by a 7 2" guy WOOOW thats amazing

Just wondering...

Assuming that there is a high quality instant replay of the "block..." What's the official rule on that type of play if it is determined Hibbert had his hand on the ball as it was in Anthony's hand, but he also hit Anthony's forearm with his forearm at the exact same moment.

Looks like this was the case here.

Is there a tie goes to the shooter or blocker rule?

ChuckBuck wrote:On that particular play, it was a clean block. Any other contact happened after the block occurred.

Yeah..I clearly forgot about this stop-action shot of the block and the video was not good enough for me to get an acceptable view.

Do you know the ruling that would have been made if everything had happened at the same time? Would the shooter get the benefit of the doubt and a foul call if there was hand on ball and forearm on forearm at the exact same moment, assuming that the this is what the ref saw?

WaltLongmire wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:On that particular play, it was a clean block. Any other contact happened after the block occurred.

Yeah..I clearly forgot about this stop-action shot of the block and the video was not good enough for me to get an acceptable view.

Do you know the ruling that would have been made if everything had happened at the same time? Would the shooter get the benefit of the doubt and a foul call if there was hand on ball and forearm on forearm at the exact same moment, assuming that the this is what the ref saw?

Since Hibbert made contact with the ball first, no foul.

If he made contact with Melo's hand, no foul.

Players are allowed to contact other players when reaching for a loose ball, or when performing normal offensive and defensive movements. The hand is considered “ part of the ball” when it is in contact with the ball and contact with a players hand when it is in contact with the ball is not a foul

If Hibbert hit Melo's forearm or any part of his body before the ball, then it's a foul.

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Malcolm wrote:Master Phil saith: "So we need guys who will ice after practice, watch what they eat, avoid having those three extra beers when they party, and get the rest they need. I think we succeeded in getting this particular cultural change.

"We also need players who have the quality of mindfulness, who can be here now, who [don't] get fixated on the refs, or on getting even if their man just scored. That's a difficult mindset for 19-year-old kids who've spent their entire lives in our current culture that caters to flash-interests."

Classic example of that here:

Player who won't be mentioned busy arguing with the refs, while his guy dunks unimpeded.

You have a reference file of MeloFails youtubes on hand?

Melo went 14-28 and 7-12 that game for 37 pts. Lead the league in scoring that year.
won 54 games and I think they started 14-4 that year? And you show the stinker loss on the road?
I thought Woodson did a good job that year and knicks played over their heads. I expected less and enjoyed the season.

Did you? or does Melo just ruin everything for you? I know, we only went in the second round of playoffs. Did you expect more?
Melo is what he is.

JR went 2-12 that game in a season he was sixth man of the year. Problem is the label "Man" was used liberally.

Just a reference file of fails when it matters the most:

A 6 7" guy getting his shot block by a 7 2" guy WOOOW thats amazing

that should have been a pocket pass to chandler but hey that's blind melo jefferson for you.

so you trust that he can make that pass directly in to chandler hands with out hibert and west making that difficult, and if chandlers misses the dunk, then you have everybody saying why didn't melo just go up strong. It's a catch 22 no matter how you look at it.

The bottom line is if Kidd or JR could have hit a fckng shot through out the game we wouldn't have been in that situation

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Malcolm wrote:Master Phil saith: "So we need guys who will ice after practice, watch what they eat, avoid having those three extra beers when they party, and get the rest they need. I think we succeeded in getting this particular cultural change.

"We also need players who have the quality of mindfulness, who can be here now, who [don't] get fixated on the refs, or on getting even if their man just scored. That's a difficult mindset for 19-year-old kids who've spent their entire lives in our current culture that caters to flash-interests."

Classic example of that here:

Player who won't be mentioned busy arguing with the refs, while his guy dunks unimpeded.

You have a reference file of MeloFails youtubes on hand?

Melo went 14-28 and 7-12 that game for 37 pts. Lead the league in scoring that year.
won 54 games and I think they started 14-4 that year? And you show the stinker loss on the road?
I thought Woodson did a good job that year and knicks played over their heads. I expected less and enjoyed the season.

Did you? or does Melo just ruin everything for you? I know, we only went in the second round of playoffs. Did you expect more?
Melo is what he is.

JR went 2-12 that game in a season he was sixth man of the year. Problem is the label "Man" was used liberally.

Just a reference file of fails when it matters the most:

A 6 7" guy getting his shot block by a 7 2" guy WOOOW thats amazing

that should have been a pocket pass to chandler but hey that's blind melo jefferson for you.

so you trust that he can make that pass directly in to chandler hands with out hibert and west making that difficult, and if chandlers misses the dunk, then you have everybody saying why didn't melo just go up strong. It's a catch 22 no matter how you look at it.

The bottom line is if Kidd or JR could have hit a fckng shot through out the game we wouldn't have been in that situation

Another way to look at that play is why didn't he jam it with 2 hands instead?

More potential to get a "superstar" foul call in that situation even with a clean block.

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Malcolm wrote:Master Phil saith: "So we need guys who will ice after practice, watch what they eat, avoid having those three extra beers when they party, and get the rest they need. I think we succeeded in getting this particular cultural change.

"We also need players who have the quality of mindfulness, who can be here now, who [don't] get fixated on the refs, or on getting even if their man just scored. That's a difficult mindset for 19-year-old kids who've spent their entire lives in our current culture that caters to flash-interests."

Classic example of that here:

Player who won't be mentioned busy arguing with the refs, while his guy dunks unimpeded.

You have a reference file of MeloFails youtubes on hand?

Melo went 14-28 and 7-12 that game for 37 pts. Lead the league in scoring that year.
won 54 games and I think they started 14-4 that year? And you show the stinker loss on the road?
I thought Woodson did a good job that year and knicks played over their heads. I expected less and enjoyed the season.

Did you? or does Melo just ruin everything for you? I know, we only went in the second round of playoffs. Did you expect more?
Melo is what he is.

JR went 2-12 that game in a season he was sixth man of the year. Problem is the label "Man" was used liberally.

Just a reference file of fails when it matters the most:

A 6 7" guy getting his shot block by a 7 2" guy WOOOW thats amazing

that should have been a pocket pass to chandler but hey that's blind melo jefferson for you.

so you trust that he can make that pass directly in to chandler hands with out hibert and west making that difficult, and if chandlers misses the dunk, then you have everybody saying why didn't melo just go up strong. It's a catch 22 no matter how you look at it.

The bottom line is if Kidd or JR could have hit a fckng shot through out the game we wouldn't have been in that situation

Another way to look at that play is why didn't he jam it with 2 hands instead?

More potential to get a "superstar" foul call in that situation even with a clean block.

by the time he has left his feet it is too late... note the fending off with the left arm. the proper play would be to see a blue uniform wide open 5 feet away from the basket, bounce a pass to the open man. but see that's the problem with low iq ballplayers... they possess no guile.