Knicks · Reasons To Be Joyful (page 1)
If you look at how they performed in 2013-14 when they were all pretty much healthy it gives you an indication of what they could be this year for this team. Everything is built off their foundation for the present.
RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
3 Carmelo Anthony, NY 77 38.7 .561 10.4 8.5 30.1 5.6 19.4 12.3 24.50 623.0 20.8
17 Robin Lopez, POR 82 31.8 .605 8.0 9.3 13.0 13.6 15.3 14.5 17.68 275.2 9.2
11 Arron Afflalo, ORL 73 35.0 .574 16.0 9.4 21.9 1.4 10.2 5.8 16.09 212.8 7.1
So we should really be looking forward to the possibilities for this team this year and next. We have KP and Jerian to watch. The other role players Phil has brought in like O'Quinn, Seraphin and even DWill have enough talent to be productive for this team in the roles we have intended for them. We'll need for Jose to bounce back and be healthy. It will make a huge difference if he's playing confident and strong. He doesn't have to carry the full load with Jerian and Gallo behind him.
We'll need for our young players to at least have decent contributions. They don't have to carry the action but we need them to show the talent we know they have and apply it to the roles they'll have for this team in a support position. Behind them we have vets who should be able to keep the level of play at acceptable levels and the effort in practice at a high level.
Another huge aspect to the roster is that it's full of tough minded and hard working players who play defense!!! It may get lost in all the complaining about a lack of stars but this is a rugged group of guys. They will put up stiff resistance most nights, which is a huge improvement over the last couple of years. That can make all the difference in W/L's over the course of a season.
CrushAlot wrote:Also, Jose is healthy. Phil is fond of Jose for a reason. Lets hope he is right. A healthy Jose could be another big addition.hopefully but i have never been a fan of him. Plus he is old and coming off tough injuries. Im more excited in jerian grant and feel he is the better option to start
StarksEwing1 wrote:Nice options. Both guys are world beaters compared to Shane at this point in my opinion.CrushAlot wrote:Also, Jose is healthy. Phil is fond of Jose for a reason. Lets hope he is right. A healthy Jose could be another big addition.hopefully but i have never been a fan of him. Plus he is old and coming off tough injuries. Im more excited in jerian grant and feel he is the better option to start
CrushAlot wrote:i actually liked shane as a backup. Still young and one thing is for sure...he is ten times better defensively than joseStarksEwing1 wrote:Nice options. Both guys are world beaters compared to Shane at this point in my opinion.CrushAlot wrote:Also, Jose is healthy. Phil is fond of Jose for a reason. Lets hope he is right. A healthy Jose could be another big addition.hopefully but i have never been a fan of him. Plus he is old and coming off tough injuries. Im more excited in jerian grant and feel he is the better option to start
StarksEwing1 wrote:He couldn't score and he is really short for the nba. Maybe he works out as a change of pace guard for the nets but he was given a lot of opportunities to prove himself last year.CrushAlot wrote:i actually liked shane as a backup. Still young and one thing is for sure...he is ten times better defensively than joseStarksEwing1 wrote:Nice options. Both guys are world beaters compared to Shane at this point in my opinion.CrushAlot wrote:Also, Jose is healthy. Phil is fond of Jose for a reason. Lets hope he is right. A healthy Jose could be another big addition.hopefully but i have never been a fan of him. Plus he is old and coming off tough injuries. Im more excited in jerian grant and feel he is the better option to start
CrushAlot wrote:Also, Jose is healthy. Phil is fond of Jose for a reason. Lets hope he is right. A healthy Jose could be another big addition.
He owns Jose's play. If Jose's stinks thats 100% on PJ.
...or an uplifting story about how someone like Darryl Dawkins changed people's lives.
Optimistic is the better word for me, considering the fact that this group has never been on the floor together, but I agree, there is a lot to look forward to, IMO.
I'm expecting a slow start, and a strong finish... with the team approaching .500. Much depends on the health of various players, as well as certain players finding a perfect system for their skills.
And here's a cat video...not joyful, but it does speak to possibility and the ability of some to overcome obstacles and surprise...
BRIGGS wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Also, Jose is healthy. Phil is fond of Jose for a reason. Lets hope he is right. A healthy Jose could be another big addition.He owns Jose's play. If Jose's stinks thats 100% on PJ.
That's fine. I'm sure that Phil has no problem owning up to taking on Jose. When he was healthy Jose was good. We need him to be a steady presence. His role isn't one where we need him to carry a significant load. IMO Jose can't really help us defensively so he MUST be at his offensive best in order to offset his subpar defensive production. He has to be the highly efficient shooter and effective passer that he's been or else he's a big problem. He wasn't able to produce offensively last year. The hope has to be that he can do that this year and that we can get good overall production from Afflalo, Jerian and Gallo.
It's a better group at Guard this year IMO. People seem to underestimate how bad our guards were last year. It was unbelievably bad guard production last year before we brought up Gallo and signed Shved. A lot of negative energy is spent on Jose who barely played to start the year. The guys who did play sunk us.
Player Age G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
Shane Larkin 22 76 1865 10.9 .504 .269 .181 1.7 9.4 5.4 19.4 2.6 0.4 15.1 13.6 0.8 0.9 1.7 .045 -1.6 -0.7 -2.4 -0.2
Tim Hardaway 22 70 1681 12.1 .512 .494 .218 0.8 10.2 5.4 13.5 0.6 0.7 9.5 23.8 0.8 0.0 0.8 .023 0.1 -4.2 -4.1 -0.9
Iman Shumpert 24 24 625 11.9 .484 .307 .172 4.0 11.2 7.5 21.3 2.5 0.4 15.4 20.1 -0.1 0.3 0.3 .020 -0.8 -1.1 -1.9 0.0
J.R. Smith 29 24 619 11.5 .487 .359 .155 0.7 10.4 5.4 23.3 1.5 0.5 14.4 23.3 -0.2 0.1 -0.1 -0.008 -1.2 -3.1 -4.3 -0.4
We should be joyful because we drafted Jerian Grant who is the most well rounded PG we've drafted in a long time. Afflalo is a guy who at least wants to be here and play for this team. He should be a leader and wants to be a leader for this team. I think he'll be good for the younger guards. We had no one like him last year who could lead the guards and set the tone for that group.
nixluva wrote:well i agree with you about grant. When i heard we acquired him for just hardaway i was ecstatic. Afflalo was a good move just for the contract that is very reasonable. Again we have a long way to go. I dont expect to make the playoffs this year but i just want to see progress and growth from the rookiesBRIGGS wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Also, Jose is healthy. Phil is fond of Jose for a reason. Lets hope he is right. A healthy Jose could be another big addition.He owns Jose's play. If Jose's stinks thats 100% on PJ.
That's fine. I'm sure that Phil has no problem owning up to taking on Jose. When he was healthy Jose was good. We need him to be a steady presence. His role isn't one where we need him to carry a significant load. IMO Jose can't really help us defensively so he MUST be at his offensive best in order to offset his subpar defensive production. He has to be the highly efficient shooter and effective passer that he's been or else he's a big problem. He wasn't able to produce offensively last year. The hope has to be that he can do that this year and that we can get good overall production from Afflalo, Jerian and Gallo.It's a better group at Guard this year IMO. People seem to underestimate how bad our guards were last year. It was unbelievably bad guard production last year before we brought up Gallo and signed Shved. A lot of negative energy is spent on Jose who barely played to start the year. The guys who did play sunk us.
Player Age G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
Shane Larkin 22 76 1865 10.9 .504 .269 .181 1.7 9.4 5.4 19.4 2.6 0.4 15.1 13.6 0.8 0.9 1.7 .045 -1.6 -0.7 -2.4 -0.2
Tim Hardaway 22 70 1681 12.1 .512 .494 .218 0.8 10.2 5.4 13.5 0.6 0.7 9.5 23.8 0.8 0.0 0.8 .023 0.1 -4.2 -4.1 -0.9
Iman Shumpert 24 24 625 11.9 .484 .307 .172 4.0 11.2 7.5 21.3 2.5 0.4 15.4 20.1 -0.1 0.3 0.3 .020 -0.8 -1.1 -1.9 0.0
J.R. Smith 29 24 619 11.5 .487 .359 .155 0.7 10.4 5.4 23.3 1.5 0.5 14.4 23.3 -0.2 0.1 -0.1 -0.008 -1.2 -3.1 -4.3 -0.4We should be joyful because we drafted Jerian Grant who is the most well rounded PG we've drafted in a long time. Afflalo is a guy who at least wants to be here and play for this team. He should be a leader and wants to be a leader for this team. I think he'll be good for the younger guards. We had no one like him last year who could lead the guards and set the tone for that group.
StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:well i agree with you about grant. When i heard we acquired him for just hardaway i was ecstatic. Afflalo was a good move just for the contract that is very reasonable. Again we have a long way to go. I dont expect to make the playoffs this year but i just want to see progress and growth from the rookiesBRIGGS wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Also, Jose is healthy. Phil is fond of Jose for a reason. Lets hope he is right. A healthy Jose could be another big addition.He owns Jose's play. If Jose's stinks thats 100% on PJ.
That's fine. I'm sure that Phil has no problem owning up to taking on Jose. When he was healthy Jose was good. We need him to be a steady presence. His role isn't one where we need him to carry a significant load. IMO Jose can't really help us defensively so he MUST be at his offensive best in order to offset his subpar defensive production. He has to be the highly efficient shooter and effective passer that he's been or else he's a big problem. He wasn't able to produce offensively last year. The hope has to be that he can do that this year and that we can get good overall production from Afflalo, Jerian and Gallo.It's a better group at Guard this year IMO. People seem to underestimate how bad our guards were last year. It was unbelievably bad guard production last year before we brought up Gallo and signed Shved. A lot of negative energy is spent on Jose who barely played to start the year. The guys who did play sunk us.
Player Age G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
Shane Larkin 22 76 1865 10.9 .504 .269 .181 1.7 9.4 5.4 19.4 2.6 0.4 15.1 13.6 0.8 0.9 1.7 .045 -1.6 -0.7 -2.4 -0.2
Tim Hardaway 22 70 1681 12.1 .512 .494 .218 0.8 10.2 5.4 13.5 0.6 0.7 9.5 23.8 0.8 0.0 0.8 .023 0.1 -4.2 -4.1 -0.9
Iman Shumpert 24 24 625 11.9 .484 .307 .172 4.0 11.2 7.5 21.3 2.5 0.4 15.4 20.1 -0.1 0.3 0.3 .020 -0.8 -1.1 -1.9 0.0
J.R. Smith 29 24 619 11.5 .487 .359 .155 0.7 10.4 5.4 23.3 1.5 0.5 14.4 23.3 -0.2 0.1 -0.1 -0.008 -1.2 -3.1 -4.3 -0.4We should be joyful because we drafted Jerian Grant who is the most well rounded PG we've drafted in a long time. Afflalo is a guy who at least wants to be here and play for this team. He should be a leader and wants to be a leader for this team. I think he'll be good for the younger guards. We had no one like him last year who could lead the guards and set the tone for that group.
Summed it up perfectly for me.
Knicks1969 wrote:I am not sure if Jose will be able to be productive, but the fact that he can't defend opposing PGs is and will always be an issue. My biggest worry going into the season is FISHER. Has he improved as a coach?
A lot of what you think is the coach is actually the players you have running the team on the floor!!! Guarantee you that any team that has Jason Kidd in his prime running it will operate well REGARDLESS of the coach. I understand not thinking Fisher was making the right in game decisions, but in terms of what most teams actually do it really is mostly about the players. Just looking at who was running the offense last year it's easy to imagine it having a negative impact on how the team ran.
Fisher is not just making this up as he goes along. He's got a proven system that puts most of the decision making in the hands of the players. That's how the Triangle works. You don't call plays. It's a free flowing system that is directed by the guards at the start and then everyone on the floor has specific rules for which action to take next depending on where the ball goes first and what the defense does in response. It's on the players on the floor to make it work. This is why most games you rarely saw Phil say or do anything unless there was something specific he saw that he wanted to get across. He was never standing up and barking directions all game.
nixluva wrote:fact is we still have no idea what kind of coach fisher is so we have to wait and see. I give him a pass last year since there was nó talent to work withKnicks1969 wrote:I am not sure if Jose will be able to be productive, but the fact that he can't defend opposing PGs is and will always be an issue. My biggest worry going into the season is FISHER. Has he improved as a coach?A lot of what you think is the coach is actually the players you have running the team on the floor!!! Guarantee you that any team that has Jason Kidd in his prime running it will operate well REGARDLESS of the coach. I understand not thinking Fisher was making the right in game decisions, but in terms of what most teams actually do it really is mostly about the players. Just looking at who was running the offense last year it's easy to imagine it having a negative impact on how the team ran.
Fisher is not just making this up as he goes along. He's got a proven system that puts most of the decision making in the hands of the players. That's how the Triangle works. You don't call plays. It's a free flowing system that is directed by the guards at the start and then everyone on the floor has specific rules for which action to take next depending on where the ball goes first and what the defense does in response. It's on the players on the floor to make it work. This is why most games you rarely saw Phil say or do anything unless there was something specific he saw that he wanted to get across. He was never standing up and barking directions all game.
StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:fact is we still have no idea what kind of coach fisher is so we have to wait and see. I give him a pass last year since there was nó talent to work withKnicks1969 wrote:I am not sure if Jose will be able to be productive, but the fact that he can't defend opposing PGs is and will always be an issue. My biggest worry going into the season is FISHER. Has he improved as a coach?A lot of what you think is the coach is actually the players you have running the team on the floor!!! Guarantee you that any team that has Jason Kidd in his prime running it will operate well REGARDLESS of the coach. I understand not thinking Fisher was making the right in game decisions, but in terms of what most teams actually do it really is mostly about the players. Just looking at who was running the offense last year it's easy to imagine it having a negative impact on how the team ran.
Fisher is not just making this up as he goes along. He's got a proven system that puts most of the decision making in the hands of the players. That's how the Triangle works. You don't call plays. It's a free flowing system that is directed by the guards at the start and then everyone on the floor has specific rules for which action to take next depending on where the ball goes first and what the defense does in response. It's on the players on the floor to make it work. This is why most games you rarely saw Phil say or do anything unless there was something specific he saw that he wanted to get across. He was never standing up and barking directions all game.
I'm not worried about Fish getting the team ready for the season. They'll be prepared. Fisher's real test comes when there's something on the line. If they get into the mix for a playoff spot that will be the real test of how he handles things when it really counts. I believe this roster should perform better than what he started of last season with. It was a tough season but I believe Fish got a lot out of it anyway. I think he's much more ready for this season and has formulated some ideas on what he wants to do this season. He test drove some of those concepts in SL and I think it will help.
StarksEwing1 wrote:One thing we know is that he has the support of the front office. Guys know they will be moved if they don't buy in. It makes a huge difference for a coach. Woodson with Grunwald's backing won 54 games. When he lost the backing of the front office, was told when Amare and Kenyon could and couldn't play, who he was allowed to keep on his roster and who was going to start at the 2 guard he was ineffective. When guys were messing up and should have been moved he received no support. Phil just did things a year after they should have been done.nixluva wrote:fact is we still have no idea what kind of coach fisher is so we have to wait and see. I give him a pass last year since there was nó talent to work withKnicks1969 wrote:I am not sure if Jose will be able to be productive, but the fact that he can't defend opposing PGs is and will always be an issue. My biggest worry going into the season is FISHER. Has he improved as a coach?A lot of what you think is the coach is actually the players you have running the team on the floor!!! Guarantee you that any team that has Jason Kidd in his prime running it will operate well REGARDLESS of the coach. I understand not thinking Fisher was making the right in game decisions, but in terms of what most teams actually do it really is mostly about the players. Just looking at who was running the offense last year it's easy to imagine it having a negative impact on how the team ran.
Fisher is not just making this up as he goes along. He's got a proven system that puts most of the decision making in the hands of the players. That's how the Triangle works. You don't call plays. It's a free flowing system that is directed by the guards at the start and then everyone on the floor has specific rules for which action to take next depending on where the ball goes first and what the defense does in response. It's on the players on the floor to make it work. This is why most games you rarely saw Phil say or do anything unless there was something specific he saw that he wanted to get across. He was never standing up and barking directions all game.
CrushAlot wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:One thing we know is that he has the support of the front office. Guys know they will be moved if they don't buy in. It makes a huge difference for a coach. Woodson with Grunwald's backing won 54 games. When he lost the backing of the front office, was told when Amare and Kenyon could and couldn't play, who he was allowed to keep on his roster and who was going to start at the 2 guard he was ineffective. When guys were messing up and should have been moved he received no support. Phil just did things a year after they should have been done.nixluva wrote:fact is we still have no idea what kind of coach fisher is so we have to wait and see. I give him a pass last year since there was nó talent to work withKnicks1969 wrote:I am not sure if Jose will be able to be productive, but the fact that he can't defend opposing PGs is and will always be an issue. My biggest worry going into the season is FISHER. Has he improved as a coach?A lot of what you think is the coach is actually the players you have running the team on the floor!!! Guarantee you that any team that has Jason Kidd in his prime running it will operate well REGARDLESS of the coach. I understand not thinking Fisher was making the right in game decisions, but in terms of what most teams actually do it really is mostly about the players. Just looking at who was running the offense last year it's easy to imagine it having a negative impact on how the team ran.
Fisher is not just making this up as he goes along. He's got a proven system that puts most of the decision making in the hands of the players. That's how the Triangle works. You don't call plays. It's a free flowing system that is directed by the guards at the start and then everyone on the floor has specific rules for which action to take next depending on where the ball goes first and what the defense does in response. It's on the players on the floor to make it work. This is why most games you rarely saw Phil say or do anything unless there was something specific he saw that he wanted to get across. He was never standing up and barking directions all game.
Phil has supported Fish by giving him coachable players. Most of these guys have great reps for being pretty easy going guys in terms of how they fit into their teams. They work hard and aren't screaming for minutes every 2 seconds. Even tho we know all players want to play. A selfless player like RoLo who has a rep for working hard and fighting in the trenches. Afflalo says he wants to be a leader and mentor for the younger guys. O'Quinn, LT, LA and Seraphin. It's just a better group of guys for a coach to work with.
Then you have Jerian Grant who as he develops should really help Fish a lot. He's the most complete guard we've had at the PG spot in a long time. Any coach would love that addition. We saw how he responded to Fish in SL. That was nothing compared to how much they'll get to work with each other from here on. Heck even a raw KP is better than the NO DEFENSE bigs like Bargs and Jason Smith. At least KP is willing to throw his skinny body in there and fight.
nixluva wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I am not sure if Jose will be able to be productive, but the fact that he can't defend opposing PGs is and will always be an issue. My biggest worry going into the season is FISHER. Has he improved as a coach?A lot of what you think is the coach is actually the players you have running the team on the floor!!! Guarantee you that any team that has Jason Kidd in his prime running it will operate well REGARDLESS of the coach. I understand not thinking Fisher was making the right in game decisions, but in terms of what most teams actually do it really is mostly about the players. Just looking at who was running the offense last year it's easy to imagine it having a negative impact on how the team ran.
Fisher is not just making this up as he goes along. He's got a proven system that puts most of the decision making in the hands of the players. That's how the Triangle works. You don't call plays. It's a free flowing system that is directed by the guards at the start and then everyone on the floor has specific rules for which action to take next depending on where the ball goes first and what the defense does in response. It's on the players on the floor to make it work. This is why most games you rarely saw Phil say or do anything unless there was something specific he saw that he wanted to get across. He was never standing up and barking directions all game.
When you have vocal dudes like Jordan/Pippen/Shaq/Kobe, you really don't have to do much. Phil uses other subliminal ways to turn the system into a success. There is a reason why others have failed coaching the triangle. I hope Fisher the best of luck. I hope Aflalo and a healthy Jose can help this dude when they are on the court.
I do however feel tremendously optimistic about the players on the team this year.
I feel better about this core and group than the 54 win team.
That 54 win team was always an injury away from catastrophe with so many old cogs.
This new team is so youth infused we should really be able to battle deep into the season without the health concerns of years past.
Knicks1969 wrote:nixluva wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I am not sure if Jose will be able to be productive, but the fact that he can't defend opposing PGs is and will always be an issue. My biggest worry going into the season is FISHER. Has he improved as a coach?A lot of what you think is the coach is actually the players you have running the team on the floor!!! Guarantee you that any team that has Jason Kidd in his prime running it will operate well REGARDLESS of the coach. I understand not thinking Fisher was making the right in game decisions, but in terms of what most teams actually do it really is mostly about the players. Just looking at who was running the offense last year it's easy to imagine it having a negative impact on how the team ran.
Fisher is not just making this up as he goes along. He's got a proven system that puts most of the decision making in the hands of the players. That's how the Triangle works. You don't call plays. It's a free flowing system that is directed by the guards at the start and then everyone on the floor has specific rules for which action to take next depending on where the ball goes first and what the defense does in response. It's on the players on the floor to make it work. This is why most games you rarely saw Phil say or do anything unless there was something specific he saw that he wanted to get across. He was never standing up and barking directions all game.
When you have vocal dudes like Jordan/Pippen/Shaq/Kobe, you really don't have to do much. Phil uses other subliminal ways to turn the system into a success. There is a reason why others have failed coaching the triangle. I hope Fisher the best of luck. I hope Aflalo and a healthy Jose can help this dude when they are on the court.
Jim Calhoun:
“What the triangle gave the Bulls and the Lakers was an organized way to put five players on the same page,” he added. “It’s not a miracle cure. It creates freedom.”
The Triangle has been used by College programs and High School Programs for years. In the NBA it has run into issues because none of Phil's guys have had the full support of the GM to run the Triangle. You can't be successful with it if you don't have a full commitment to it. Phil is a great coach outside of the offense he chose to run, but the Triangle Offense has been used successfully by other coaches outside the NBA who aren't under the constraints of the WIN NOW mode of the NBA.
Jordan initially resisted the Triangle and made things difficult for Phil. Phil had to use every trick in the book because there was no getting rid of Jordan. Jordan eventually came to the light but it wasn't immediate. The same thing happened in NY for Fish. What Phil did was get rid of guys who weren't buying in. Phil also knows that it takes time and unlike other GM's who had no patience for the Triangle, Phil knows better.
In 1989, Jackson became the Bulls’ head coach, and he told the team that he planned to run Winter’s system.“This triangle offense!” forward Horace Grant said, recalling the introduction of a reactive style of play to athletes who valued aggression. “Believe me, with the Bulls, we started running it — we thought that it was Stephen Hawking talking to us. If you never, ever spoke Mandarin in your life, it was trying to learn Mandarin in the first year.
“We were stepping on one another’s feet, falling down. Everybody thought Tex was crazy, and we thought Phil was crazy for listening to him. In the beginning, we all rebelled. We wanted to run and dunk. Athletes don’t want fundamentals. You want to run like a gazelle! Like a Doberman!”
One reason for the Pistons’ success against Chicago in the years before Jackson took over was that Detroit’s physicality wore Jordan down. Jackson and Winter’s thinking was that if they built more offensive options around him, Jordan would have greater reserves of energy at the end of playoff games. They told Jordan that for 20 seconds, the team would stay in the offense. If no clear scoring opportunities emerged, then he should create one. Jordan was skeptical; he called the triangle “a white man’s offense.”
Grant remembers what Winter’s practices were like. “Every day we began with passing, cutting and screening,” he said. “Every day. Every single day. Fundamental basketball. We weren’t bored. It was so intriguing to us. We wanted to learn something different. We’d been not so successful in the playoffs.”
Eventually, Grant said, all of the players were converted.
“You need intelligence to run Triangle,” Grant said. “We have great one-on-one athletes out there in the N.B.A., but to be as one, you need to know your role in Triangle. When the defense shuts 10 options down, we have 10 more. If a pass goes to the corner, we as a team know where to set screens, where to cut. Pass goes into the post to Bill Cartwright, we know all the picks on the other side of the floor.
“It was a smooth operating machine. Baryshnikov in action! Picasso painting! A beautiful thing! Having Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen helped, too. Shot clock’s at four, it all breaks down, then Jordan time.”
Jackson said that only after the Bulls finally defeated the Pistons in 1991 did Jordan embrace the offense, and Krause remembered it the same way.
“Michael’s smart as hell,” Krause said. “It took him a few months, but then he realized what he could do in Triangle. He went back to Carolina, and all he did all summer was work on post stuff. For the next eight or 10 years, he scored more points in the post than most centers did.”
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