Knicks · Lebron James - worst traveler in the NBA. (page 1)
Stars get to travel.
Lebron 5 straight trips to the finals. He travels his way there.
I'm pretty sure it's written into NBA contracts nowadays, you're alloted 1 or 2 travels a game. This ain't high school or college bball anymore.
SwishAndDish13 wrote:I can't view the video at work, but as a whole the league has lost control of traveling. Sure people get away with an extra step here or there, but they need to call the lack of establishing a pivot foot or catching and running like a WR without taking a dribble. On top of that the officiating of traveling has no real definition right now. You will see the slightest foot shuffle that you need to watch 5 replays to determine if it is a travel called, and guys catching the ball off a screen and getting to the top of the key without a dribble uncalled. That has to change.
I still get upset because the refs used to call travel on me all the time, whenever I did my favorite move. And I only took 2 steps. As long as my last dribble and first step was at the same time, I should be allowed to take two steps for a layup. Take the video clip above......after he makes his last dribble, he takes 3 more steps.
I explained this to a former NBA player and friend of mine.....he said the rule is 1.5 steps (not 2 full steps)......And he's old school....drafted by the celtics in 1980. We have clearly went away from that rule!
The travel I see that happens alot.....and Kobe and Jordan used to do this all time. After Kobe gets fouled on a layup, he clearly lands on the floor, then throws up a wild shot that goes in. And Kobe isn't the only one. Yes, he got fouled.....But when you go up for a layup, then come down on the ground......and after landing on the ground you decided to shoot? Thats a travel......But if you get fouled in the process, they always call it "and 1"......instead of waiving the bucket since he already landed before shooting it. Lebron does this a lot.....
Thats why in rec leagues, the refs appears like he calls the games a lot tighter than NBA refs. But the reality is rec leagues are not funded by entertainment......so the calls that are made, are by the book. I just wish all refs (NBA, College, HS, recreation) were all consistent.
blkexec wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I can't view the video at work, but as a whole the league has lost control of traveling. Sure people get away with an extra step here or there, but they need to call the lack of establishing a pivot foot or catching and running like a WR without taking a dribble. On top of that the officiating of traveling has no real definition right now. You will see the slightest foot shuffle that you need to watch 5 replays to determine if it is a travel called, and guys catching the ball off a screen and getting to the top of the key without a dribble uncalled. That has to change.I still get upset because the refs used to call travel on me all the time, whenever I did my favorite move. And I only took 2 steps. As long as my last dribble and first step was at the same time, I should be allowed to take two steps for a layup. Take the video clip above......after he makes his last dribble, he takes 3 more steps.
I explained this to a former NBA player and friend of mine.....he said the rule is 1.5 steps (not 2 full steps)......And he's old school....drafted by the celtics in 1980. We have clearly went away from that rule!
The travel I see that happens alot.....and Kobe and Jordan used to do this all time. After Kobe gets fouled on a layup, he clearly lands on the floor, then throws up a wild shot that goes in. And Kobe isn't the only one. Yes, he got fouled.....But when you go up for a layup, then come down on the ground......and after landing on the ground you decided to shoot? Thats a travel......But if you get fouled in the process, they always call it "and 1"......instead of waiving the bucket since he already landed before shooting it. Lebron does this a lot.....
They seem much more likely to call traveling when they think a player has established a pivot foot and is making his first step while facing the basket.
You wonder why the players from the 60's/70's were not as "exciting?" They followed the rules. You rarely saw the palming and traveling you see today.
Am I right in assuming that The Hawk and Pearl really popularized palming in the NBA, or were there others. Figure that the Globetrotters also did it a lot back in the days.
Sports TV highlight reels popularized the dunks and spectacular drives to the hoop- I guess that negated any of the rules that might have applied.
That Blake Griffin dunk over Mosgov should have been a charge, if I remember correctly, but god forbid we negate that fine highlight moment.
WaltLongmire wrote:blkexec wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I can't view the video at work, but as a whole the league has lost control of traveling. Sure people get away with an extra step here or there, but they need to call the lack of establishing a pivot foot or catching and running like a WR without taking a dribble. On top of that the officiating of traveling has no real definition right now. You will see the slightest foot shuffle that you need to watch 5 replays to determine if it is a travel called, and guys catching the ball off a screen and getting to the top of the key without a dribble uncalled. That has to change.I still get upset because the refs used to call travel on me all the time, whenever I did my favorite move. And I only took 2 steps. As long as my last dribble and first step was at the same time, I should be allowed to take two steps for a layup. Take the video clip above......after he makes his last dribble, he takes 3 more steps.
I explained this to a former NBA player and friend of mine.....he said the rule is 1.5 steps (not 2 full steps)......And he's old school....drafted by the celtics in 1980. We have clearly went away from that rule!
The travel I see that happens alot.....and Kobe and Jordan used to do this all time. After Kobe gets fouled on a layup, he clearly lands on the floor, then throws up a wild shot that goes in. And Kobe isn't the only one. Yes, he got fouled.....But when you go up for a layup, then come down on the ground......and after landing on the ground you decided to shoot? Thats a travel......But if you get fouled in the process, they always call it "and 1"......instead of waiving the bucket since he already landed before shooting it. Lebron does this a lot.....
They seem much more likely to call traveling when they think a player has established a pivot foot and is making his first step while facing the basket.You wonder why the players from the 60's/70's were not as "exciting?" They followed the rules. You rarely saw the palming and traveling you see today.
Am I right in assuming that The Hawk and Pearl really popularized palming in the NBA, or were there others. Figure that the Globetrotters also did it a lot back in the days.
Sports TV highlight reels popularized the dunks and spectacular drives to the hoop- I guess that negated any of the rules that might have applied.
That Blake Griffin dunk over Mosgov should have been a charge, if I remember correctly, but god forbid we negate that fine highlight moment.
I actually don't disagree with anything you said. I just want them to consistently officiate it by whatever measure they choose. Clearly if they called every single thing that would be brutal but give people something to expect/work with.
SwishAndDish13 wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:blkexec wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I can't view the video at work, but as a whole the league has lost control of traveling. Sure people get away with an extra step here or there, but they need to call the lack of establishing a pivot foot or catching and running like a WR without taking a dribble. On top of that the officiating of traveling has no real definition right now. You will see the slightest foot shuffle that you need to watch 5 replays to determine if it is a travel called, and guys catching the ball off a screen and getting to the top of the key without a dribble uncalled. That has to change.I still get upset because the refs used to call travel on me all the time, whenever I did my favorite move. And I only took 2 steps. As long as my last dribble and first step was at the same time, I should be allowed to take two steps for a layup. Take the video clip above......after he makes his last dribble, he takes 3 more steps.
I explained this to a former NBA player and friend of mine.....he said the rule is 1.5 steps (not 2 full steps)......And he's old school....drafted by the celtics in 1980. We have clearly went away from that rule!
The travel I see that happens alot.....and Kobe and Jordan used to do this all time. After Kobe gets fouled on a layup, he clearly lands on the floor, then throws up a wild shot that goes in. And Kobe isn't the only one. Yes, he got fouled.....But when you go up for a layup, then come down on the ground......and after landing on the ground you decided to shoot? Thats a travel......But if you get fouled in the process, they always call it "and 1"......instead of waiving the bucket since he already landed before shooting it. Lebron does this a lot.....
They seem much more likely to call traveling when they think a player has established a pivot foot and is making his first step while facing the basket.You wonder why the players from the 60's/70's were not as "exciting?" They followed the rules. You rarely saw the palming and traveling you see today.
Am I right in assuming that The Hawk and Pearl really popularized palming in the NBA, or were there others. Figure that the Globetrotters also did it a lot back in the days.
Sports TV highlight reels popularized the dunks and spectacular drives to the hoop- I guess that negated any of the rules that might have applied.
That Blake Griffin dunk over Mosgov should have been a charge, if I remember correctly, but god forbid we negate that fine highlight moment.
I actually don't disagree with anything you said. I just want them to consistently officiate it by whatever measure they choose. Clearly if they called every single thing that would be brutal but give people something to expect/work with.
Players will adapt if infractions are called impartially and consistently, I would think.
You would have to go hard in SL and in the exhibition games, and yup...it could be brutal at times.
Have to think that the NBA doesn't have the heart to enforce the actual rules, though, so you just have to hope that the refs are fair and don't favor the NBA "cover boys," unless they are on the Knicks, of course.
For that, I don't point at others!
WaltLongmire wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:blkexec wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I can't view the video at work, but as a whole the league has lost control of traveling. Sure people get away with an extra step here or there, but they need to call the lack of establishing a pivot foot or catching and running like a WR without taking a dribble. On top of that the officiating of traveling has no real definition right now. You will see the slightest foot shuffle that you need to watch 5 replays to determine if it is a travel called, and guys catching the ball off a screen and getting to the top of the key without a dribble uncalled. That has to change.I still get upset because the refs used to call travel on me all the time, whenever I did my favorite move. And I only took 2 steps. As long as my last dribble and first step was at the same time, I should be allowed to take two steps for a layup. Take the video clip above......after he makes his last dribble, he takes 3 more steps.
I explained this to a former NBA player and friend of mine.....he said the rule is 1.5 steps (not 2 full steps)......And he's old school....drafted by the celtics in 1980. We have clearly went away from that rule!
The travel I see that happens alot.....and Kobe and Jordan used to do this all time. After Kobe gets fouled on a layup, he clearly lands on the floor, then throws up a wild shot that goes in. And Kobe isn't the only one. Yes, he got fouled.....But when you go up for a layup, then come down on the ground......and after landing on the ground you decided to shoot? Thats a travel......But if you get fouled in the process, they always call it "and 1"......instead of waiving the bucket since he already landed before shooting it. Lebron does this a lot.....
They seem much more likely to call traveling when they think a player has established a pivot foot and is making his first step while facing the basket.You wonder why the players from the 60's/70's were not as "exciting?" They followed the rules. You rarely saw the palming and traveling you see today.
Am I right in assuming that The Hawk and Pearl really popularized palming in the NBA, or were there others. Figure that the Globetrotters also did it a lot back in the days.
Sports TV highlight reels popularized the dunks and spectacular drives to the hoop- I guess that negated any of the rules that might have applied.
That Blake Griffin dunk over Mosgov should have been a charge, if I remember correctly, but god forbid we negate that fine highlight moment.
I actually don't disagree with anything you said. I just want them to consistently officiate it by whatever measure they choose. Clearly if they called every single thing that would be brutal but give people something to expect/work with.
Players will adapt if infractions are called impartially and consistently, I would think.You would have to go hard in SL and in the exhibition games, and yup...it could be brutal at times.
Have to think that the NBA doesn't have the heart to enforce the actual rules, though, so you just have to hope that the refs are fair and don't favor the NBA "cover boys," unless they are on the Knicks, of course.
LOL! Exactly! I don't care what rules they use as long as they are the same or at least remotely similar for everybody. I am still sour from that Knicks/Celtics playoff game where they lost on a Melo travel that was debatable at best. Only a travel under the strictest interpretation of the rule, which is rarely called in the NBA, and I can't even remember an instance in the closing seconds of a playoff game.
SwishAndDish13 wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:blkexec wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:I can't view the video at work, but as a whole the league has lost control of traveling. Sure people get away with an extra step here or there, but they need to call the lack of establishing a pivot foot or catching and running like a WR without taking a dribble. On top of that the officiating of traveling has no real definition right now. You will see the slightest foot shuffle that you need to watch 5 replays to determine if it is a travel called, and guys catching the ball off a screen and getting to the top of the key without a dribble uncalled. That has to change.I still get upset because the refs used to call travel on me all the time, whenever I did my favorite move. And I only took 2 steps. As long as my last dribble and first step was at the same time, I should be allowed to take two steps for a layup. Take the video clip above......after he makes his last dribble, he takes 3 more steps.
I explained this to a former NBA player and friend of mine.....he said the rule is 1.5 steps (not 2 full steps)......And he's old school....drafted by the celtics in 1980. We have clearly went away from that rule!
The travel I see that happens alot.....and Kobe and Jordan used to do this all time. After Kobe gets fouled on a layup, he clearly lands on the floor, then throws up a wild shot that goes in. And Kobe isn't the only one. Yes, he got fouled.....But when you go up for a layup, then come down on the ground......and after landing on the ground you decided to shoot? Thats a travel......But if you get fouled in the process, they always call it "and 1"......instead of waiving the bucket since he already landed before shooting it. Lebron does this a lot.....
They seem much more likely to call traveling when they think a player has established a pivot foot and is making his first step while facing the basket.You wonder why the players from the 60's/70's were not as "exciting?" They followed the rules. You rarely saw the palming and traveling you see today.
Am I right in assuming that The Hawk and Pearl really popularized palming in the NBA, or were there others. Figure that the Globetrotters also did it a lot back in the days.
Sports TV highlight reels popularized the dunks and spectacular drives to the hoop- I guess that negated any of the rules that might have applied.
That Blake Griffin dunk over Mosgov should have been a charge, if I remember correctly, but god forbid we negate that fine highlight moment.
I actually don't disagree with anything you said. I just want them to consistently officiate it by whatever measure they choose. Clearly if they called every single thing that would be brutal but give people something to expect/work with.
Players will adapt if infractions are called impartially and consistently, I would think.You would have to go hard in SL and in the exhibition games, and yup...it could be brutal at times.
Have to think that the NBA doesn't have the heart to enforce the actual rules, though, so you just have to hope that the refs are fair and don't favor the NBA "cover boys," unless they are on the Knicks, of course.
LOL! Exactly! I don't care what rules they use as long as they are the same or at least remotely similar for everybody. I am still sour from that Knicks/Celtics playoff game where they lost on a Melo travel that was debatable at best. Only a travel under the strictest interpretation of the rule, which is rarely called in the NBA, and I can't even remember an instance in the closing seconds of a playoff game.
I still remember Bill Wennington receiving a pass while stationary and taking 3 steps (this is what I see when I picture it in my mind) without putting the ball on the floor, and scoring in a crucial playoff moment vs the Bulls.