Knicks · Rudy Gobert weighs 245 pounds. KP now weighs 244 (page 1)
Why is there an emphasis on KP's weight? I sincerely don't understand why he should put more weight and muscle. I'd appreciate your insight on that.
Being stronger is obviously a plus but Rudy Gobert weighs currently the same as KP and nobody seemed to complain about his strength/muscle/weight when he became last season one of the best interior defender in the league.
Being leaner would benefit him to be quicker on his feet to help on defense provided of course he continues to show the same awareness he demonstrated in SL. He will be indeed pushed around by larger centers (not that much since he's currently a PF) but he'll be much quicker so that on the other end, those same centers would not be able to defend him.
KP will lose a little of what he gains this summer over the long 82 game slog. I'm not worried about any negative effects at this stage of his development. The kid is so tall that he simply has to put on more muscle. He'll still be quick and agile after gaining 20 pounds of functional muscle. It's a sign of his commitment to his craft that he's actually putting on weight and getting stronger.
Contrary to popular belief, gaining weight doesn't have to make you slower. Athletes are often afraid of gaining muscle, fearing that it will make them bulky and cumbersome, but this isn't the case. Gaining fat isn't wise, as fat is nonfunctional weight that can slow you down, writes nutritionist Anita Bean in "The Complete Guide to Sports Nutrition." More muscle mass can make you stronger, though, and stronger muscles can make you a faster runner, adds UK Athletics coach Brian Mackenzie.http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/gain-...Step 2
Start each workout with plyometric training. Plyometrics are leaping, jumping and bounding movements -- any exercise that requires a high amount of explosive power. These are the key to maintaining speed and power, according to strength coach Chad Smith, owner of Juggernaut Training Systems. Exercises such as box jumps, broad jumps, clap pushups and the Olympic lifts play a huge role in maintaining athletic speed and power.Step 3
Maintain your current speed workout schedule. Weight training becomes more important when you're trying to gain weight, but you shouldn't sacrifice your speed work for it. Perform three full-body weight sessions per week, focusing on compound exercises such as squats, deadlifts, rows and presses, and work these in alongside what you've been doing to get your speed to its current level. If you notice a drop-off in speed, you may need to reduce your rate of weight gain by lowering your calorie intake, or cut one of the weight sessions in favor of extra speed work.
shinmen wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/9...
Why is there an emphasis on KP's weight? I sincerely don't understand why he should put more weight and muscle. I'd appreciate your insight on that.
Being stronger is obviously a plus but Rudy Gobert weighs currently the same as KP and nobody seemed to complain about his strength/muscle/weight when he became last season one of the best interior defender in the league.
Being leaner would benefit him to be quicker on his feet to help on defense provided of course he continues to show the same awareness he demonstrated in SL. He will be indeed pushed around by larger centers (not that much since he's currently a PF) but he'll be much quicker so that on the other end, those same centers would not be able to defend him.
Its the media and fans that assume more weight equals more strength. As soon as KP develops a gut, the same media and fans will call him fat and out of shape.
Weight is just a lazy way of saying he needs to develop more strength. He needs more muscle mass. But just saying he needs more weight, is in correct and far from the truth.
I think he's smart enough to understand that. We've had enough overweight knick players to learn from. More weight never equates to improved play, unless you are an NFL linemen.
KP needs to improve his base and upper body strength. I weighed 175 and was able to box out centers in the paint, because I benched 300. I was already explosive...so my upper body strength allowed me to hold my own whenever a big tried to post me up. I wish I did more squats.
KP needs both upper and lower body strength. There's nothing he can do to increase that for this season.....It comes with consistent workouts and age. Along with border line legal NBA roids.
blkexec wrote:shinmen wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/9...
Why is there an emphasis on KP's weight? I sincerely don't understand why he should put more weight and muscle. I'd appreciate your insight on that.
Being stronger is obviously a plus but Rudy Gobert weighs currently the same as KP and nobody seemed to complain about his strength/muscle/weight when he became last season one of the best interior defender in the league.
Being leaner would benefit him to be quicker on his feet to help on defense provided of course he continues to show the same awareness he demonstrated in SL. He will be indeed pushed around by larger centers (not that much since he's currently a PF) but he'll be much quicker so that on the other end, those same centers would not be able to defend him.Its the media and fans that assume more weight equals more strength. As soon as KP develops a gut, the same media and fans will call him fat and out of shape.
Weight is just a lazy way of saying he needs to develop more strength. He needs more muscle mass. But just saying he needs more weight, is in correct and far from the truth.
I think he's smart enough to understand that. We've had enough overweight knick players to learn from. More weight never equates to improved play, unless you are an NFL linemen.
KP needs to improve his base and upper body strength. I weighed 175 and was able to box out centers in the paint, because I benched 300. I was already explosive...so my upper body strength allowed me to hold my own whenever a big tried to post me up. I wish I did more squats.
KP needs both upper and lower body strength. There's nothing he can do to increase that for this season.....It comes with consistent workouts and age. Along with border line legal NBA roids.
Muscle actually is more dense than fat so you can put on a lot of weight in the form of functional muscle and not look like you are that much bigger. That's what will probably be the case with KP. He may still look somewhat thin at 240 if all he's added is lean muscle. At his age if he's taking in the needed Protein and Amino Acids and working out he will get stronger and heavier. It seems like he's been given a pretty serious fitness program and has been following it.
shinmen wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/9...
Why is there an emphasis on KP's weight? I sincerely don't understand why he should put more weight and muscle. I'd appreciate your insight on that.
Being stronger is obviously a plus but Rudy Gobert weighs currently the same as KP and nobody seemed to complain about his strength/muscle/weight when he became last season one of the best interior defender in the league.
Being leaner would benefit him to be quicker on his feet to help on defense provided of course he continues to show the same awareness he demonstrated in SL. He will be indeed pushed around by larger centers (not that much since he's currently a PF) but he'll be much quicker so that on the other end, those same centers would not be able to defend him.
Kris is still at the age where adding some weight (really talking about strength) can be done without comprising quickness. In fact at his age adding an appropriate amount of weight/strength will allow him to move quicker/more explosively.
You also have to worry about injury and being able to handle contact.
I'm typically a big believer in veteran NBA guys never really bulking up --- I think you are typically best suited playing at the lowest weight where you can still function at a high level.
If Kris tries to add 30 pounds quickly it's a mistake but I think we'll see him in camp with about an extra 15LBs and that will slowly taper down as the season moves along.
Again -- all the extra calories and weight training are really about adding strength, explosiveness and keeping injury risk minimized.
LivingLegend wrote:shinmen wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/9...
Why is there an emphasis on KP's weight? I sincerely don't understand why he should put more weight and muscle. I'd appreciate your insight on that.
Being stronger is obviously a plus but Rudy Gobert weighs currently the same as KP and nobody seemed to complain about his strength/muscle/weight when he became last season one of the best interior defender in the league.
Being leaner would benefit him to be quicker on his feet to help on defense provided of course he continues to show the same awareness he demonstrated in SL. He will be indeed pushed around by larger centers (not that much since he's currently a PF) but he'll be much quicker so that on the other end, those same centers would not be able to defend him.Kris is still at the age where adding some weight (really talking about strength) can be done without comprising quickness. In fact at his age adding an appropriate amount of weight/strength will allow him to move quicker/more explosively.
You also have to worry about injury and being able to handle contact.
I'm typically a big believer in veteran NBA guys never really bulking up --- I think you are typically best suited playing at the lowest weight where you can still function at a high level.
If Kris tries to add 30 pounds quickly it's a mistake but I think we'll see him in camp with about an extra 15LBs and that will slowly taper down as the season moves along.
Again -- all the extra calories and weight training are really about adding strength, explosiveness and keeping injury risk minimized.
Yeah in addition to the added muscle a little bit of fat would actually be OK given the long and brutal NBA season. He'll lose weight in the grind of the season anyway. You don't want to be jiggly but having some small amount of fat reserves isn't the end of the world in a sport like the NBA which is a serious marathon. I don't have any fear of KP losing his quickness. If anything proper training should make him more athletic and not less. If he's being trained properly he should be able to improve his stamina and work on muscles that should add more stability to his joints and help to fight against injury.
I just hope his PR, friends and family are not feeding him all this social media stuff. Half the HOF'ers wouldn't be in the HOF if they were born in this social media era.
blkexec wrote:All this talk about weight gain. But as soon as he looks winded in the 4th quarter, somebody will say, he needs to lose some body fat. lolI just hope his PR, friends and family are not feeding him all this social media stuff. Half the HOF'ers wouldn't be in the HOF if they were born in this social media era.
the one thing I've been super impressed with KP is his handle on social media and his answers to questions from the media. Top rate.
martin wrote:blkexec wrote:All this talk about weight gain. But as soon as he looks winded in the 4th quarter, somebody will say, he needs to lose some body fat. lolI just hope his PR, friends and family are not feeding him all this social media stuff. Half the HOF'ers wouldn't be in the HOF if they were born in this social media era.
the one thing I've been super impressed with KP is his handle on social media and his answers to questions from the media. Top rate.
Yeah, KP just seems to get it! He seems like a reasonable person that has been raised right and realizes the situation he's in. His support system is solid. He's got his family right there with him and I think it makes a huge difference. It's been very important to Phil not just what a players talent is but all facets of the player including his personality and character. It's actually very important to take account of the whole person and I really am happy about Phil's approach.
TPercy wrote:I hope all this weight gain is not going to impact his speed/mobility...another great asset of his..
LOL. It won't. Unless he turned into Jabba The Hutt in a couple of months we have nothing to worry about. Especially since KP himself is concerned with getting to heavy.
TPercy wrote:I hope all this weight gain is not going to impact his speed/mobility...another great asset of his..
Hopefully his weight/strength gain will go as smooth as Anthony Davis' has. HE comes back bigger and stronger every year.
yellowboy90 wrote:TPercy wrote:I hope all this weight gain is not going to impact his speed/mobility...another great asset of his..Hopefully his weight/strength gain will go as smooth as Anthony Davis' has. HE comes back bigger and stronger every year.
Anthony Davis was strong to begin with tho. Kristaps is tough but he's not physically strong. Adding weight means that he's just heavier.... I understand he's lifting weights but working strength in the gym is different that standing in the pain with naturally strong dudes. I wish him luck and health. Sometimes that weight might be too much for your frame to handle
EnySpree wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:TPercy wrote:I hope all this weight gain is not going to impact his speed/mobility...another great asset of his..Hopefully his weight/strength gain will go as smooth as Anthony Davis' has. HE comes back bigger and stronger every year.
Anthony Davis was strong to begin with tho. Kristaps is tough but he's not physically strong. Adding weight means that he's just heavier.... I understand he's lifting weights but working strength in the gym is different that standing in the pain with naturally strong dudes. I wish him luck and health. Sometimes that weight might be too much for your frame to handle
I really think this is a bit of a misunderstanding of what the correct training can do for a player. I'm not privy to what the Knicks have KP doing but I can't imagine that they don't have him doing things that improve Explosion as well as his core strength. If athletes couldn't add strength and muscle and still maintain high agility and speed the NFL would be out of business. When you train the right way you won't lose your quickness and should be able to gain some speed and explosion as well as added core strength and stamina.
http://breakingmuscle.com/strength-condi...
The idea of building speed using exercises that don’t require you to move may seem asinine to you, but you would be wrong. Isometric exercises for speed are a phenomenal addition to your overall agility and speed training.
Developing SpeedThere are a lot of components to speed when it comes to training the human body, but here are three of the main factors:
1. Your fast-twitch muscle fibers.
2. Your weight. Bruce Lee’s speed training would be a very different game than Arnold Schwarzenegger’s.
3. Your body’s ability to handle torque. This is one of one of the most critical aspects of speed training, and one that isometric exercises can develop while many other training approaches cannot.
Muscle FibersWhile there are many different fiber types, there are three main muscle fibers:
1. Slow Twitch - Used mainly for endurance, as with your neck or your core muscles
2. Intermediate - These have the qualities of both slow- and fast-twitch muscle fibers
3. Fast Twitch - These are responsible for quick muscle contractions like for punching or sprinting.
"When you are performing a movement with incredible momentum, your muscles are only doing some of the work - kinetic energy does most of it."In fact, fast-twitch muscle fibers can contract ten times faster than slow-twitch fibers. This is the kind of muscle that you really want to develop to train speed - and it’s likely that you’re doing it so, so wrong.
How to Train Fast-Twitch MusclesIf you want to train fast-twitch muscles, you have to move fast, right? No, you don’t. In fact, you can increase your injury risk in doing that. Being fast-twitch muscle only means that it’s the fastest to fire and the fastest to fatigue. Trying to build that by moving fast works your momentum much more than your actual muscle.
The difference in which muscle fibers you build comes not from your training speed, but your training intensity. If you do an isometric exercise that involves holding a half-full cup of water out at arm's length for four hours a day, you’ll develop lots of slow-twitch muscle because the intensity over time is low.
If, instead, you tried to do a shoulder raise on that same arm at maximal intensity for a fraction of the time, like seven to twelve seconds, you would fatigue the fast-twitch muscle fibers (and even all the muscle fibers) much more quickly. Intensity is key to your speed training, not the speed of the movement itself.
Increasing Your Movement SpeedIt may seem counterintuitive, but trying to increase the speed of your movement is the reason that isometric exercises can be better than plyometric exercises for speed. The idea for both plyometric and maximal isometric exercises is that you explode out from the beginning of the exercise.
The difference with a maximal isometric exercise is that you explode with intensity, but you don’t actually move, like trying to push against a brick wall with all your might. Plyometric training involves you exploding into a movement, like explosive jumps or explosive clapping push ups.
"The reason that isometric exercises are much better in the long run for joint and tendon health in speed development is torque."Different studies argue back and forth on whether isometrics or plyometrics are overall better for muscle speed, but it is irrefutable that isometric exercises are immensely better for the joints and tendons. While isometrics progressively build upon the strength of the tendons and ligaments, plyometrics tear and inflame the joints you look to train.
Athletic bodies need time to adjust to big weight gains. It should be more gradual. I'm afraid of over use and getting stress injuries like planar in the foot or posterior chain injuries. If he was body building is not a problem. A run and jump athlete is another story.
EnySpree wrote:When it comes to professional trainers and what have you, you can't really argue that. I do have a problem with the kid eating 5,000 calories a day. Eating that much you ate going to pile on the pounds and that's Arnold Schwarzenegger territory to reference the article above....Athletic bodies need time to adjust to big weight gains. It should be more gradual. I'm afraid of over use and getting stress injuries like planar in the foot or posterior chain injuries. If he was body building is not a problem. A run and jump athlete is another story.
Don't worry it's just a cycle for a limited period of time. They are doing this to Speed up his gains but if he's training the right way then as the article I posted suggests he can strengthen his tendons and ligaments so that his joints can handle the increased weight. It's not so much weight that he should have any real issues. Remember this is supposed to be mostly Functional Muscle as opposed to adding fat. We're talking about preparing his body to be able to BETTER handle playing in the NBA against big strong players.
Proper training is never going to hurt you. If you're doing the wrong kind of training then yes it can lead to problems. I have no reason to think that the Knicks Professional NBA trainers are giving KP a program that is going to lead him in the wrong direction. Not to mention that KP has has been trained by the guys at Impact and he does have some idea of what are the right things to do.
Just reading about KP's approach this summer it's clear he's on a very comprehensive program. Dude is using a Hyperbaric Chamber to help his recovery. It sounds like a very well thought out program and he seems really dedicated to it.
With less than two weeks before training camp, Porzingis has been participating in two-a-day practices at the team facility and recovering in a hyperbaric chamber. He also mixes in two sessions in the weight room per day. Before that, he was playing one-on-one against Carmelo Anthony and, “just asking him about the moves.”
Believe he filled out just fine and had quite a nice career for himself.
EnySpree wrote:Can we get Kristaps to grow out his hair? The Drago look not gonna sell nike ;)
I actually think KP likes the short cut cuz it makes him look tougher.
