Tristan Thompson turned down 84mm. This league is headed for a strike longer than weve ever seen. I know there is a LOT more money but even at a 100mm $ cap you cant pay every guy 20-30mm. Harrison Barnes what the heck do you want for your 11 points and 5 rebounds --that was an awful nice offer.
I saw that..These are not even third option guys..They are roles players and replaceable..No one should ever offer them that kind of money again..I think Tristan's beef is he wants another 12/14 mil...Man, stop it..
whenever you pay a guy based upon projections rather than past performance you end up having your fate tied to Eddy Curry... both of those deals are insane and those guys are even crazier
I seem to recall Thompson and his agent putting out the idea of taking the qualifying offer and going FA next year, with the idea that he would leave the Cavs.
Can't believe that anyone else would give him more than $15M/year, and even that is a stretch, IMO. Wonder if the Cavs call him on his threat. On a team without the kind of firepower the Cavs have in James, Love, and Irving, a guy like Thompson is a very limited player. Has some intangibles and desire, but not a player you build around, IMO. Luckily for him James likes him and they have the same agent...No?
Wonder if Lebron has talked to him at all.
If they sign him at the qualifying offer the Cavs are at about 92M this year.
Barnes is another guy who has more value on the court because of the team he's on. Does he actually think he has more value than Green?
$16M/yr is amazingly good for a guy with his numbers and impact on the game.
The price is set by the market.
Absolute numbers mean nothing.
15 mils are are last year 8 mils per.
Nothing outrages... just business.
Everybody keep thinking it's the players. This is the agents making themselves known. They know how much the owners and the league is making off of these players. Thats why you pay your agent to make sure you get the most out of these tight ass owners. Basketball, football, whatever....doesn't last long. Get your money while you can. Because when it's over, the owners will kick them to the curb like old trash. And simply over pay the next young legs that walks in. It's a business.....Don't hate the player, hate the game!
blkexec wrote:Everybody keep thinking it's the players. This is the agents making themselves known. They know how much the owners and the league is making off of these players. Thats why you pay your agent to make sure you get the most out of these tight ass owners. Basketball, football, whatever....doesn't last long. Get your money while you can. Because when it's over, the owners will kick them to the curb like old trash. And simply over pay the next young legs that walks in. It's a business.....Don't hate the player, hate the game!
yeah but for 11 points and 5 rebounds... even in today's $$$ league its not worth even 64 mill. how much did shumpert get... 40? and all of us thought that was gross overpaying. does anyone think that barnes is worth THAT MUCH MORE???
Barnes agent is Rich Paul, Lebron's agent and friend, and that is why he has this leverage. Plus he performed well. I think fans look at the yearly figure without taking into account the % of the cap a player is/will take up in the future. As the cap goes up role players and starters pay will increase and some players value are worth more to one to to the next. If we judge players pay to past HOFers then players salaries would look a whole lot different.
This is why I was so pissed about the off season. The owners did this to themselves by over paying for mediocre players. Now everyone has a case to get paid. Harrison Barnes and Demarre caroll.... if caroll got paid Barnes shouldn't settle of less.
The owners were supposed to pay guys what they were worth and use the extra cap to sign more talent. They instead used the extra money to over pay. Makes me so angry. Kills the quality of the league. Teams are not getting better.
I think it has been posted before, but there is research out there that shows that NBA players (and pro athletes in general) are severely underpaid in the context of value add that they provide - even the max guys. I don't know how true it is but it something to consider when complaining about some guy getting 5 mil per year more than you think he is "worth".
simrud wrote:I think it has been posted before, but there is research out there that shows that NBA players (and pro athletes in general) are severely underpaid in the context of value add that they provide - even the max guys. I don't know how true it is but it something to consider when complaining about some guy getting 5 mil per year more than you think he is "worth".
its really fans that are getting ripped out by having to spend as much as they do for things like tickets, nba league pass and merchandise.
The NBA players should organize and start their own, player's owned league. I think they could do it - maybe find one deep pocketed backer or issue stock/debt to cover the costs as they transition.
What value do the owners really provide?
We're headed for a massive, terrible lockout.
simrud wrote:I think it has been posted before, but there is research out there that shows that NBA players (and pro athletes in general) are severely underpaid in the context of value add that they provide - even the max guys. I don't know how true it is but it something to consider when complaining about some guy getting 5 mil per year more than you think he is "worth".
I agree that the players should get every dime of value that they put in. The reality that some players take much less--like a Tim Duncan is almost mind blowing.
Few points
Take 15 players and a cap of 110 mm. If you pay a Harrison Barnes --what 21mm and multiply that by 5 thats 105--and you have to pay 10 more guys who arent going to be happy making the league minimum. So you will have a league of haves and a lot of have nots--the divide will be insane--and these teams will STILL look to the fan to see how much more they can get out of their pockets. If the cap stayed at 70mm would Harrison Barnes even be offered 8mm per year? Maybe. GS run a very good team--they are being very fair with Harrison. If I were Harrison's agent I would say take it--lets make sure you have that money in the bank for you and your family--youre still 24 and you have another contract coming. Even if he gets hurt--hes all set. Id have him really be conservative with it--talk to successful past NBA players like Jamal Mashburn and Magic. 64mm $ can go a long way--Id like him to secure that money if I was his agent. I dont think Id fight to get 75 or whatever. 64 and 74 are the same thing in many ways. I want to make sure he is secure first. But why are these guys like Thompson and Barnes NOT doing this--youth and and not understanding what greed is.
crzymdups wrote:We're headed for a massive, terrible lockout.
And I can't decide which side I'm less annoyed with.
BRIGGS wrote:simrud wrote:I think it has been posted before, but there is research out there that shows that NBA players (and pro athletes in general) are severely underpaid in the context of value add that they provide - even the max guys. I don't know how true it is but it something to consider when complaining about some guy getting 5 mil per year more than you think he is "worth".
I agree that the players should get every dime of value that they put in. The reality that some players take much less--like a Tim Duncan is almost mind blowing.
Few points
Take 15 players and a cap of 110 mm. If you pay a Harrison Barnes --what 21mm and multiply that by 5 thats 105--and you have to pay 10 more guys who arent going to be happy making the league minimum. So you will have a league of haves and a lot of have nots--the divide will be insane--and these teams will STILL look to the fan to see how much more they can get out of their pockets. If the cap stayed at 70mm would Harrison Barnes even be offered 8mm per year? Maybe. GS run a very good team--they are being very fair with Harrison. If I were Harrison's agent I would say take it--lets make sure you have that money in the bank for you and your family--youre still 24 and you have another contract coming. Even if he gets hurt--hes all set. Id have him really be conservative with it--talk to successful past NBA players like Jamal Mashburn and Magic. 64mm $ can go a long way--Id like him to secure that money if I was his agent. I dont think Id fight to get 75 or whatever. 64 and 74 are the same thing in many ways. I want to make sure he is secure first. But why are these guys like Thompson and Barnes NOT doing this--youth and and not understanding what greed is.
Totally agree that not taking 64 because you want 75 is not a good move given injury risk involved and so on. But if he can get actually get 75 than he should go for his best figure possible. Personally I would push to the deadline and agree to 64 going into the season if I was him. Seems that is how football players do it often.
Somehow the market continues to support / drive these salaries.
Whether it be fans paying ticket prices, corps buying luxury boxes or gigantic new TV deals --- the $$$ keep flying in and the CAP keeps pushing higher.
Me myself I pay for my NBA package thru directv and if I go to a few games a year I usually have been able to get tickets from a vendor for free.
I don't understand how regular folks can pay for normal tickets and it's mind boggling that these arenas get filled up for 30 teams -- 41 dates a year.
Crazy how much money there is out there in the world.
simrud wrote:BRIGGS wrote:simrud wrote:I think it has been posted before, but there is research out there that shows that NBA players (and pro athletes in general) are severely underpaid in the context of value add that they provide - even the max guys. I don't know how true it is but it something to consider when complaining about some guy getting 5 mil per year more than you think he is "worth".
I agree that the players should get every dime of value that they put in. The reality that some players take much less--like a Tim Duncan is almost mind blowing.
Few points
Take 15 players and a cap of 110 mm. If you pay a Harrison Barnes --what 21mm and multiply that by 5 thats 105--and you have to pay 10 more guys who arent going to be happy making the league minimum. So you will have a league of haves and a lot of have nots--the divide will be insane--and these teams will STILL look to the fan to see how much more they can get out of their pockets. If the cap stayed at 70mm would Harrison Barnes even be offered 8mm per year? Maybe. GS run a very good team--they are being very fair with Harrison. If I were Harrison's agent I would say take it--lets make sure you have that money in the bank for you and your family--youre still 24 and you have another contract coming. Even if he gets hurt--hes all set. Id have him really be conservative with it--talk to successful past NBA players like Jamal Mashburn and Magic. 64mm $ can go a long way--Id like him to secure that money if I was his agent. I dont think Id fight to get 75 or whatever. 64 and 74 are the same thing in many ways. I want to make sure he is secure first. But why are these guys like Thompson and Barnes NOT doing this--youth and and not understanding what greed is.
Totally agree that not taking 64 because you want 75 is not a good move given injury risk involved and so on. But if he can get actually get 75 than he should go for his best figure possible. Personally I would push to the deadline and agree to 64 going into the season if I was him. Seems that is how football players do it often.
Man the season starts soon. He could have an ACL in pre season. Maybe you can walk them up to 66-67 but if not take the 64.
holfresh wrote:
Posted this in the other forum. Broussard broke this one. Stein tweeted it later and credited to Chris.
Barnes has the talent to be worth that kind of money, but he hasn't produced like someone who is worth that kind of money.
