Knicks · Begley: Fisher considering KP as a starter (page 1)

dk7th @ 10/3/2015 3:23 PM

This means a front line of Lopez, KP, Melo. Guess that means Melo's expectations of playing the 4 spot are not going to be met as much as he wants..

CrushAlot @ 10/3/2015 3:49 PM
Saw something about Kristaps competing for the starting spot the other day. If he gets it I wonder if it would be a role like Monty Williams had his rookie year.
earthmansurfer @ 10/3/2015 3:58 PM
I can see him starting but only getting like 20-25 minutes at first. We have to be careful with the kid imo.
Him and Lopez would really set the defensive tone. If they ever play with Grant, that really will give us a nice defensive unit.
Not to mention that some of the other guys can D it up good.
martin @ 10/3/2015 4:12 PM
dk7th wrote:

This means a front line of Lopez, KP, Melo. Guess that means Melo's expectations of playing the 4 spot are not going to be met as much as he wants..

Let me put this characterization to rest. The quote and exchange about this very topic was brought during media day with Melo, check out the video on MSG or nba.com

A reporter asked if Melo expects to play the 4 (some time this season). He answered yes, he'd probably see some time at the 4. Also said he expects Fisher to set the lineups and figure out where he wanted Melo to play and that he didn't really care if it was the 3 or 4.

There was ZERO insinuation, as you have characterized it, that Melo expects, demands, only wants to, etc. regarding what position he plays.

Also, dk7th, if you watch the video, please let me know what kind of shape you think Melo is in at this point.

gunsnewing @ 10/3/2015 4:32 PM
I think what threw everyone one of was some of the excitement over Melo moving to the 4. Clearly he meant at times which is what I took from the content.

If KP starts it will be because he earned it

holfresh @ 10/3/2015 4:43 PM
martin wrote:
dk7th wrote:

This means a front line of Lopez, KP, Melo. Guess that means Melo's expectations of playing the 4 spot are not going to be met as much as he wants..

Let me put this characterization to rest. The quote and exchange about this very topic was brought during media day with Melo, check out the video on MSG or nba.com

A reporter asked if Melo expects to play the 4 (some time this season). He answered yes, he'd probably see some time at the 4. Also said he expects Fisher to set the lineups and figure out where he wanted Melo to play and that he didn't really care if it was the 3 or 4.

There was ZERO insinuation, as you have characterized it, that Melo expects, demands, only wants to, etc. regarding what position he plays.

Also, dk7th, if you watch the video, please let me know what kind of shape you think Melo is in at this point.


I don't even think Melo wants to play the 4...Paul George is upset he was asked to play the 4..Just more drama for no appearent reason..
martin @ 10/3/2015 4:46 PM
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
dk7th wrote:

This means a front line of Lopez, KP, Melo. Guess that means Melo's expectations of playing the 4 spot are not going to be met as much as he wants..

Let me put this characterization to rest. The quote and exchange about this very topic was brought during media day with Melo, check out the video on MSG or nba.com

A reporter asked if Melo expects to play the 4 (some time this season). He answered yes, he'd probably see some time at the 4. Also said he expects Fisher to set the lineups and figure out where he wanted Melo to play and that he didn't really care if it was the 3 or 4.

There was ZERO insinuation, as you have characterized it, that Melo expects, demands, only wants to, etc. regarding what position he plays.

Also, dk7th, if you watch the video, please let me know what kind of shape you think Melo is in at this point.


I don't even think Melo wants to play the 4...Paul George is upset he was asked to play the 4..Just more drama for no appearent reason..

There is no drama, what drama? Only you thinks there is drama...for no apparent reason

holfresh @ 10/3/2015 4:51 PM
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
dk7th wrote:

This means a front line of Lopez, KP, Melo. Guess that means Melo's expectations of playing the 4 spot are not going to be met as much as he wants..

Let me put this characterization to rest. The quote and exchange about this very topic was brought during media day with Melo, check out the video on MSG or nba.com

A reporter asked if Melo expects to play the 4 (some time this season). He answered yes, he'd probably see some time at the 4. Also said he expects Fisher to set the lineups and figure out where he wanted Melo to play and that he didn't really care if it was the 3 or 4.

There was ZERO insinuation, as you have characterized it, that Melo expects, demands, only wants to, etc. regarding what position he plays.

Also, dk7th, if you watch the video, please let me know what kind of shape you think Melo is in at this point.


I don't even think Melo wants to play the 4...Paul George is upset he was asked to play the 4..Just more drama for no appearent reason..

There is no drama, what drama? Only you thinks there is drama...for no apparent reason

Well I was referring to the hissie fit both guns and dk7th pitched when Melo said he will see time at the 4 this season..But if I'm interrupting some male bonding of sorts, please excuse my intrusion..

EnySpree @ 10/3/2015 5:18 PM
Every player is up for considering for a starting spot. This is just media swirl. If Fisher goes with a vet that's more ready, they are going to start saying Kristaps is a bust. I bet most writers already have an article waiting in the stash.
knickscity @ 10/3/2015 6:18 PM
Good to hear he's being considered. may the best win those positions.
nixluva @ 10/3/2015 6:27 PM
EnySpree wrote:Every player is up for considering for a starting spot. This is just media swirl. If Fisher goes with a vet that's more ready, they are going to start saying Kristaps is a bust. I bet most writers already have an article waiting in the stash.

I'm not even remotely concerned about KP starting or not. He's destined to start cuz he has the most talent outside of Melo. Who can keep KP from eventually starting? The kid is a top 4 pick with all kinds of talent so at some point the job is his. If it comes early or later it doesn't matter. It's gonna happen IMO. I'm just glad he's been impressive so far and has a legit shot to start.

I'm convinced Phil wants to have a twin tower tandem like he had with Bynum n Pau. The RoLo n KP pairing could be really dynamic next to Melo.

blkexec @ 10/3/2015 8:03 PM
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
dk7th wrote:

This means a front line of Lopez, KP, Melo. Guess that means Melo's expectations of playing the 4 spot are not going to be met as much as he wants..

Let me put this characterization to rest. The quote and exchange about this very topic was brought during media day with Melo, check out the video on MSG or nba.com

A reporter asked if Melo expects to play the 4 (some time this season). He answered yes, he'd probably see some time at the 4. Also said he expects Fisher to set the lineups and figure out where he wanted Melo to play and that he didn't really care if it was the 3 or 4.

There was ZERO insinuation, as you have characterized it, that Melo expects, demands, only wants to, etc. regarding what position he plays.

Also, dk7th, if you watch the video, please let me know what kind of shape you think Melo is in at this point.


I don't even think Melo wants to play the 4...Paul George is upset he was asked to play the 4..Just more drama for no appearent reason..

There is no drama, what drama? Only you thinks there is drama...for no apparent reason

Well I was referring to the hissie fit both guns and dk7th pitched when Melo said he will see time at the 4 this season..But if I'm interrupting some male bonding of sorts, please excuse my intrusion..

Does it really matter these days who plays the 3 or 4? Seems like the triangle is a fluid system, so the traditional 3 or 4 positions can be interchangeable on offense. The issue is on defense. Who guards the quicker player, KP? While Melo guards the stronger player?

I would love to have KP starting, but I don't think it's the right move to start the season. But I've been wrong before.

nixluva @ 10/3/2015 8:53 PM
blkexec wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
dk7th wrote:

This means a front line of Lopez, KP, Melo. Guess that means Melo's expectations of playing the 4 spot are not going to be met as much as he wants..

Let me put this characterization to rest. The quote and exchange about this very topic was brought during media day with Melo, check out the video on MSG or nba.com

A reporter asked if Melo expects to play the 4 (some time this season). He answered yes, he'd probably see some time at the 4. Also said he expects Fisher to set the lineups and figure out where he wanted Melo to play and that he didn't really care if it was the 3 or 4.

There was ZERO insinuation, as you have characterized it, that Melo expects, demands, only wants to, etc. regarding what position he plays.

Also, dk7th, if you watch the video, please let me know what kind of shape you think Melo is in at this point.


I don't even think Melo wants to play the 4...Paul George is upset he was asked to play the 4..Just more drama for no appearent reason..

There is no drama, what drama? Only you thinks there is drama...for no apparent reason

Well I was referring to the hissie fit both guns and dk7th pitched when Melo said he will see time at the 4 this season..But if I'm interrupting some male bonding of sorts, please excuse my intrusion..

Does it really matter these days who plays the 3 or 4? Seems like the triangle is a fluid system, so the traditional 3 or 4 positions can be interchangeable on offense. The issue is on defense. Who guards the quicker player, KP? While Melo guards the stronger player?

I would love to have KP starting, but I don't think it's the right move to start the season. But I've been wrong before.

I actually feel confident KP can use his length against anyone. I think he is gonna be fine defensively in most situations. He probably will have trouble with the best Centers and PF's but then everyone does. If he gets the nod to start he will have earned it IMO. If they start him that means they felt comfortable with his ability to handle the role. We'll get a good look at KP in the preseason games anyway.

dk7th @ 10/3/2015 8:54 PM
blkexec wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
dk7th wrote:

This means a front line of Lopez, KP, Melo. Guess that means Melo's expectations of playing the 4 spot are not going to be met as much as he wants..

Let me put this characterization to rest. The quote and exchange about this very topic was brought during media day with Melo, check out the video on MSG or nba.com

A reporter asked if Melo expects to play the 4 (some time this season). He answered yes, he'd probably see some time at the 4. Also said he expects Fisher to set the lineups and figure out where he wanted Melo to play and that he didn't really care if it was the 3 or 4.

There was ZERO insinuation, as you have characterized it, that Melo expects, demands, only wants to, etc. regarding what position he plays.

Also, dk7th, if you watch the video, please let me know what kind of shape you think Melo is in at this point.


I don't even think Melo wants to play the 4...Paul George is upset he was asked to play the 4..Just more drama for no appearent reason..

There is no drama, what drama? Only you thinks there is drama...for no apparent reason

Well I was referring to the hissie fit both guns and dk7th pitched when Melo said he will see time at the 4 this season..But if I'm interrupting some male bonding of sorts, please excuse my intrusion..

Does it really matter these days who plays the 3 or 4? Seems like the triangle is a fluid system, so the traditional 3 or 4 positions can be interchangeable on offense. The issue is on defense. Who guards the quicker player, KP? While Melo guards the stronger player?

I would love to have KP starting, but I don't think it's the right move to start the season. But I've been wrong before.

it does matter. who among lopez, kp, and melo do you want to be setting up mid-post strong-side? who should be the weak side forward who is cutting to the pinch post and who is supposed to be a backdoor cutter?

WaltLongmire @ 10/3/2015 9:01 PM
blkexec wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
dk7th wrote:

This means a front line of Lopez, KP, Melo. Guess that means Melo's expectations of playing the 4 spot are not going to be met as much as he wants..

Let me put this characterization to rest. The quote and exchange about this very topic was brought during media day with Melo, check out the video on MSG or nba.com

A reporter asked if Melo expects to play the 4 (some time this season). He answered yes, he'd probably see some time at the 4. Also said he expects Fisher to set the lineups and figure out where he wanted Melo to play and that he didn't really care if it was the 3 or 4.

There was ZERO insinuation, as you have characterized it, that Melo expects, demands, only wants to, etc. regarding what position he plays.

Also, dk7th, if you watch the video, please let me know what kind of shape you think Melo is in at this point.


I don't even think Melo wants to play the 4...Paul George is upset he was asked to play the 4..Just more drama for no appearent reason..

There is no drama, what drama? Only you thinks there is drama...for no apparent reason

Well I was referring to the hissie fit both guns and dk7th pitched when Melo said he will see time at the 4 this season..But if I'm interrupting some male bonding of sorts, please excuse my intrusion..

Does it really matter these days who plays the 3 or 4? Seems like the triangle is a fluid system, so the traditional 3 or 4 positions can be interchangeable on offense. The issue is on defense. Who guards the quicker player, KP? While Melo guards the stronger player?

I would love to have KP starting, but I don't think it's the right move to start the season. But I've been wrong before.


Would not mind him coming off the bench the first part of the season.

Wonder which would cause him to press more...

Being a starter from day one and trying to show that he is deserving and not just there because of a high draft status and potential;

Coming off the bench and trying to prove that he should be starting, and somehow taking the fact that he isn't starting as some kind of challenge.

I think KP has a lot more pride and desire than we, or at least I, think he has. Says the right things, but I think being a starter, and feeling that he deserves to be one, are important to him.

nixluva @ 10/3/2015 9:12 PM
KP is mature beyond his years. He seems to me to be able to self adjust. He is human and will have early jitters or press a bit, but he also seems like the kind of guy that will calm himself down and get it together. He's played pro ball before and handled it well. I say just let him play and see how he handles it. He's a top draft picks for a reason.
dk7th @ 10/4/2015 12:03 AM
martin wrote:
dk7th wrote:

This means a front line of Lopez, KP, Melo. Guess that means Melo's expectations of playing the 4 spot are not going to be met as much as he wants..

Let me put this characterization to rest. The quote and exchange about this very topic was brought during media day with Melo, check out the video on MSG or nba.com

A reporter asked if Melo expects to play the 4 (some time this season). He answered yes, he'd probably see some time at the 4. Also said he expects Fisher to set the lineups and figure out where he wanted Melo to play and that he didn't really care if it was the 3 or 4.

There was ZERO insinuation, as you have characterized it, that Melo expects, demands, only wants to, etc. regarding what position he plays.

Also, dk7th, if you watch the video, please let me know what kind of shape you think Melo is in at this point.

maybe you should take that dope herring to task.

as to watching melo.. i have been watching him since he came to the knicks four years ago. there have been numerous threads here that mention that he puts on weight or has put on weight over the course of the season. if there was a search engine on your forum it would be pretty easy to look up. while it is impossible to document, or prove... it has been observed.

CrushAlot @ 10/4/2015 12:40 AM
dk7th wrote:
martin wrote:
dk7th wrote:

This means a front line of Lopez, KP, Melo. Guess that means Melo's expectations of playing the 4 spot are not going to be met as much as he wants..

Let me put this characterization to rest. The quote and exchange about this very topic was brought during media day with Melo, check out the video on MSG or nba.com

A reporter asked if Melo expects to play the 4 (some time this season). He answered yes, he'd probably see some time at the 4. Also said he expects Fisher to set the lineups and figure out where he wanted Melo to play and that he didn't really care if it was the 3 or 4.

There was ZERO insinuation, as you have characterized it, that Melo expects, demands, only wants to, etc. regarding what position he plays.

Also, dk7th, if you watch the video, please let me know what kind of shape you think Melo is in at this point.

maybe you should take that dope herring to task.

as to watching melo.. i have been watching him since he came to the knicks four years ago. there have been numerous threads here that mention that he puts on weight or has put on weight over the course of the season. if there was a search engine on your forum it would be pretty easy to look up. while it is impossible to document, or prove... it has been observed.


You also have been shown pictures of him when he isn't wearing the body armor he wears during games and been provided with quotes from Clyde regarding his conditioning and you followed the team when he won 2 player of the months in april. You denied Clyde made the statements because you didn't watch the games and have wild theories about Melo's weight which I won't reference. The threads on this forum you reference don't exist unless you started them.
gunsnewing @ 10/4/2015 12:55 AM
Woodson wants Carmelo to lose weight
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/report-mik...

There is a reason weight we go in to every offseason talking about Melo's weight and how how much he has lost going into the season. Because he is out of shape towards the end of the season. The evidence is in his play late in the year and probably why he wants to play PF and not move around as much. He wants to play the 4 like he did at the tail end of the 54win season Crush is referring to

gunsnewing @ 10/4/2015 1:03 AM
Found your answer
http://nypost.com/2014/08/13/melo-gettin...

Anthony was listed at 230 pounds as a Denver rookie in 2003 and appears to be close to that goal. Last season, the 6-foot-8 Anthony was listed in the Knicks preseason media guide at 240, but likely played at least 5 to 10 pounds heavier as the season wore on.
-Marc Berman

CrushAlot @ 10/4/2015 1:05 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Woodson wants Carmelo to lose weight
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basket...

There is a reason weight we go in to every offseason talking about Melo's weight and how how much he has lost going into the season. Because he is out of shape towards the end of the season. The evidence is in his play late in the year and probably why he wants to play PF and not move around as much. He wants to play the 4 like he did at the tail end of the 54win season Crush is referring to


That next season was one of the ones where Clyde said Melo was in supreme shape. The team also won 54 games and Melo was an MVP candidate. If D12 doesn't almost end his season he might have won it.
Woodson was a very good coach for the Knicks when he had the support of management. The guy just won and he was able to communicate with the players.
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