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smackeddog @ 10/22/2015 11:42 AM
NBA PM: Who Disappointed in the Preseason?


Tim Hardaway, Jr., Atlanta Hawks

The Hawks’ acquisition of Hardaway was always something of a strange deal. Atlanta sent away the mid-first round pick that became Kelly Oubre just for Hardaway, which was a bit weird given that most would have pegged the 24th pick in 2013 at a lower raw value than a higher pick in a deeper draft.

Hardaway was never meant to replace DeMarre Carroll, but he certainly appeared to be another warm body with size on the wing who the Hawks hoped would help fill Carroll’s void. While it’s still early, Hardaway hasn’t really shown he can even approximate some of that load.

The Hawks have tried on multiple occasions to plug him in as another Kyle Korver-esque piece on the perimeter, rocketing around screens for catch-and-shoot jumpers and stretching the defense. The only problem is, so far he’s shot the ball about as well as Korver would if he had one arm tied behind his back. Hardaway checks in at a miserable 24.2 percent from the field through five games, and an even uglier 22.2 percent from deep. It’s not a great look for a guy who already saw his shooting numbers dip from his rookie season to his sophomore year in New York.

There’s still time for Hardaway to develop, and he has the physical template. But his skills continue to lag behind at this point, and his preseason hasn’t done much to validate Atlanta’s risk.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm...

mreinman @ 10/22/2015 11:45 AM
that trade was beyond bizarre. Makes you think twice about GM polls since at times they can look like complete idiots.
smackeddog @ 10/22/2015 11:49 AM
mreinman wrote:that trade was beyond bizarre. Makes you think twice about GM polls since at times they can look like complete idiots.

It was indeed- it was like how most of our trades are, except in reverse!

WaltLongmire @ 10/22/2015 12:55 PM
He was more of a stationary wait for the pass and shoot guy with us, although I thought he made a little progress last year.

I'm not an Oubre fan, but Atlanta could have had Vaughn, Portis, or even Dekker at 15.

Somebody in Atlanta saw something in Hardaway...maybe he comes around eventually, but for us it was a good trade at this point in time.

mreinman @ 10/22/2015 1:31 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:He was more of a stationary wait for the pass and shoot guy with us, although I thought he made a little progress last year.

I'm not an Oubre fan, but Atlanta could have had Vaughn, Portis, or even Dekker at 15.

Somebody in Atlanta saw something in Hardaway...maybe he comes around eventually, but for us it was a good trade at this point in time.

He did not progress at all, he took a huge step back last season from his rookie season.

WaltLongmire @ 10/22/2015 4:53 PM
Food for thought...

WaltLongmire @ 10/22/2015 5:03 PM

CrushAlot @ 10/22/2015 5:16 PM

I thought Jared did a great job covering the Knicks.
GustavBahler @ 10/22/2015 9:03 PM
smackeddog wrote:
NBA PM: Who Disappointed in the Preseason?


Tim Hardaway, Jr., Atlanta Hawks

The Hawks’ acquisition of Hardaway was always something of a strange deal. Atlanta sent away the mid-first round pick that became Kelly Oubre just for Hardaway, which was a bit weird given that most would have pegged the 24th pick in 2013 at a lower raw value than a higher pick in a deeper draft.

Hardaway was never meant to replace DeMarre Carroll, but he certainly appeared to be another warm body with size on the wing who the Hawks hoped would help fill Carroll’s void. While it’s still early, Hardaway hasn’t really shown he can even approximate some of that load.

The Hawks have tried on multiple occasions to plug him in as another Kyle Korver-esque piece on the perimeter, rocketing around screens for catch-and-shoot jumpers and stretching the defense. The only problem is, so far he’s shot the ball about as well as Korver would if he had one arm tied behind his back. Hardaway checks in at a miserable 24.2 percent from the field through five games, and an even uglier 22.2 percent from deep. It’s not a great look for a guy who already saw his shooting numbers dip from his rookie season to his sophomore year in New York.

There’s still time for Hardaway to develop, and he has the physical template. But his skills continue to lag behind at this point, and his preseason hasn’t done much to validate Atlanta’s risk.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm...

I watched a few minutes of a preseason Hawks game. Hardaway got on the floor, dribbled the ball off his foot, and turned it over.

WaltLongmire @ 10/23/2015 5:58 PM
WaltLongmire @ 10/23/2015 9:37 PM
CrushAlot @ 10/23/2015 11:12 PM
Green looked great tonight.
earthmansurfer @ 10/24/2015 4:41 AM
Well, Timmy Jr. still not streaking in Pre-Season 3-11 starting. Still can't believe we got Grant for him, or even a 1st. I know Timmy is a hot cold shooter but he has been cold the whole time and one would think a change of scenery would have done him good.

And again, thanks for passing on Winslow 1-7 off the bench.

Mr. Towns continues to impress 18pts on 8-12 shooting with 12 rebounds.

Walt - WOW! Gun gestures are illegal in the NBA. Guess that is a thought crime....

dk7th @ 10/24/2015 8:58 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:

what a clueless piece of shit

CrushAlot @ 10/24/2015 9:27 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Well, Timmy Jr. still not streaking in Pre-Season 3-11 starting. Still can't believe we got Grant for him, or even a 1st. I know Timmy is a hot cold shooter but he has been cold the whole time and one would think a change of scenery would have done him good.

And again, thanks for passing on Winslow 1-7 off the bench.

Mr. Towns continues to impress 18pts on 8-12 shooting with 12 rebounds.

Walt - WOW! Gun gestures are illegal in the NBA. Guess that is a thought crime....

Towns looked good. So did Levine. Minny has a really good team.
WaltLongmire @ 10/24/2015 11:48 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Well, Timmy Jr. still not streaking in Pre-Season 3-11 starting. Still can't believe we got Grant for him, or even a 1st. I know Timmy is a hot cold shooter but he has been cold the whole time and one would think a change of scenery would have done him good.

And again, thanks for passing on Winslow 1-7 off the bench.

Mr. Towns continues to impress 18pts on 8-12 shooting with 12 rebounds.

Walt - WOW! Gun gestures are illegal in the NBA. Guess that is a thought crime....


Have not seen any Atlanta games in the pre-season. Might check this game because he played over 30 minutes. You figure that Atlanta offers him a good opportunity, and that if things work out he'll replace Korver at some point, but he hasn't exactly been burning it up so far. You would think that he'd be on a mission to show folks that the Knicks made a big mistake, but at this point he's making Phil look pretty smart.


For what it's worth, Winslow has had some good assist games in pre-season, and has done some rebounding. Looking like more of a glue player at this point.

It seems that his shot is very much a work in progress, and I think he still experiences issues with his legs- something we first learned about in SL.

I think we would have been very frustrated with Winslow if we were watching him perform for the Knicks...mostly because many overrated him, IMO. I do believe he'll end up being a solid player, though, but the shooting issue really has to be worked on.

I'm assuming that Green made the gesture after he hit a few shots. More of a PC thing than a thought crime, I guess. Maybe if he had a big smile on his face it would be OK.

I'm pretty old school- don't like the show boating in any sport, especially FB, and I cringe when one of the Jets do some kind of foolish celebration- the kind of stuff they are auditioning for Madden.

Surprised that Towns is being overlooked by the folks who are infatuated with OK4, Mudiay, and Johnson. He is a more complete player than the first two, and a much better track record than Johnson, and I think he will emerge as ROY by the end of the year, unless KP brings back the cornrow look and that magical confidence it gave him in his youth.

WaltLongmire @ 10/24/2015 12:09 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Well, Timmy Jr. still not streaking in Pre-Season 3-11 starting. Still can't believe we got Grant for him, or even a 1st. I know Timmy is a hot cold shooter but he has been cold the whole time and one would think a change of scenery would have done him good.

And again, thanks for passing on Winslow 1-7 off the bench.

Mr. Towns continues to impress 18pts on 8-12 shooting with 12 rebounds.

Walt - WOW! Gun gestures are illegal in the NBA. Guess that is a thought crime....

Towns looked good. So did Levine. Minny has a really good team.

Levine had a pretty poor pre-season, though, and it sounds like he'll be coming off the bench at the start of the season.
earthmansurfer @ 10/24/2015 12:27 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Well, Timmy Jr. still not streaking in Pre-Season 3-11 starting. Still can't believe we got Grant for him, or even a 1st. I know Timmy is a hot cold shooter but he has been cold the whole time and one would think a change of scenery would have done him good.

And again, thanks for passing on Winslow 1-7 off the bench.

Mr. Towns continues to impress 18pts on 8-12 shooting with 12 rebounds.

Walt - WOW! Gun gestures are illegal in the NBA. Guess that is a thought crime....


Have not seen any Atlanta games in the pre-season. Might check this game because he played over 30 minutes. You figure that Atlanta offers him a good opportunity, and that if things work out he'll replace Korver at some point, but he hasn't exactly been burning it up so far. You would think that he'd be on a mission to show folks that the Knicks made a big mistake, but at this point he's making Phil look pretty smart.


For what it's worth, Winslow has had some good assist games in pre-season, and has done some rebounding. Looking like more of a glue player at this point.

It seems that his shot is very much a work in progress, and I think he still experiences issues with his legs- something we first learned about in SL.

I think we would have been very frustrated with Winslow if we were watching him perform for the Knicks...mostly because many overrated him, IMO. I do believe he'll end up being a solid player, though, but the shooting issue really has to be worked on.

I'm assuming that Green made the gesture after he hit a few shots. More of a PC thing than a thought crime, I guess. Maybe if he had a big smile on his face it would be OK.

I'm pretty old school- don't like the show boating in any sport, especially FB, and I cringe when one of the Jets do some kind of foolish celebration- the kind of stuff they are auditioning for Madden.

Surprised that Towns is being overlooked by the folks who are infatuated with OK4, Mudiay, and Johnson. He is a more complete player than the first two, and a much better track record than Johnson, and I think he will emerge as ROY by the end of the year, unless KP brings back the cornrow look and that magical confidence it gave him in his youth.

Yeah, what does a guy do when getting traded away doesn't inspire them to play great (in pre-season!) Long season ahead though, but we can be sure of one thing - he is not going to be a defensive presence.

Yes again, I noticed Winslow looked good in other parts of his game. As many said, his offense wouldn't translate to the NBA but way too soon to say. Glue guy, nice to have but not so high in the 1st round.

With Green, I thought the fine was because of the gun reference, not showboating. I have played a lot of sports and to be able to control any celebration is just too much imo. Within reason, sure. No victory dances and the like LOL.

WaltLongmire @ 10/24/2015 1:39 PM
Earl Barron sighting.

CrushAlot @ 10/24/2015 3:37 PM
WaltLongmire @ 10/24/2015 4:56 PM
Watched most of the Minny/Bucks game...all of Monroe vs Towns.

Takeaways:

Towns outplayed him, and was able to deal with Monroe down low for the most part. Monroe had a few points and a couple of nice passes, but the most of the shots he attempted were hook shots and lay-ins...the one J he took Towns swatted it away.

Except for a charge, Monroe had little impact on D, and he looks extremely slow out there.

Towns did not look like a rookie, and was not overwhelmed by Monroe trying to use his strength to back him down.

Towns looked very good in the post, with maybe one or two poor shots. Much more varied game in the post than OK4, to be honest. Some smooth jump hooks and effortless short jumpers. He can also pass out of the post, set good picks, and seems to know how to move without the ball.

Monroe looked strong physically, but very slow, and I don't think he had any kind of intimidation presence at the 5.

My understanding is that Jabari Parker was a terrible defender at Duke. Not sure how he is now...but that does not make me think he and Monroe will be a good paring as two of your front line defenders.

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