Knicks · Carmelo says "Phuck New York" filming a segment for Vice (page 6)
CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
Ewing's defense along with his offense made him a superior to Barkely..Unless you are now saying defense isn't that big a deal?
holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
Ewing's defense along with his offense made him a superior to Barkely..Unless you are now saying defense isn't that big a deal?
I have a a weird feeling that you think that ewing was actually a better offensive player too
mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
Ewing's defense along with his offense made him a superior to Barkely..Unless you are now saying defense isn't that big a deal?
I have a a weird feeling that you think that ewing was actually a better offensive player too
Barkely is better than Ewing.
Objectivity is better than Subjectivity.
Spock is better than Kirk.
And New York is the greatest city in the world!
DrAlphaeus wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
Ewing's defense along with his offense made him a superior to Barkely..Unless you are now saying defense isn't that big a deal?
I have a a weird feeling that you think that ewing was actually a better offensive player too
Barkely is better than Ewing.
Objectivity is better than Subjectivity.
Spock is better than Kirk.
And New York is the greatest city in the world!
you are not really adding to the discussion. Perhaps you want to actually chime in?
That said, leave the homerism and bias at home when comparing to superior players like Barkley.
All it takes is one look at Basketball Reference if you're not lazy.
ChuckBuck wrote:It's ok to love Ewing. He's an all time great Knick player, probably 2nd best Knick of all time after Clyde.That said, leave the homerism and bias at home when comparing to superior players like Barkley.
All it takes is one look at Basketball Reference if you're not lazy.
exactly right ... and its incredible that people or actually knick choose to ignore that barkley was 1000 better than ewing in the playoffs.
ChuckBuck wrote:It's ok to love Ewing. He's an all time great Knick player, probably 2nd best Knick of all time after Clyde.That said, leave the homerism and bias at home when comparing to superior players like Barkley.
All it takes is one look at Basketball Reference if you're not lazy.
You said Nash was better..Dude could not guard a lawn chair..
holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
Ewing's defense along with his offense made him a superior to Barkely..Unless you are now saying defense isn't that big a deal?
Defense is a very big deal and why Ewing's teams were successful this entire career. And did it without a player as good as Kevin Johnson, John Stockton, Drexler or Dream. Also it is why Melo and his teams underachieve most years
Or the merits of offense over defense or Coke over Pepsi or Space Jam over Eddie or whatever it y'all are on about?
gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
Ewing's defense along with his offense made him a superior to Barkely..Unless you are now saying defense isn't that big a deal?
Defense is a very big deal and why Ewing's teams were successful this entire career. And did it without a player as good as Kevin Johnson, John Stockton, Drexler or Dream. Also it is why Melo and his teams underachieve most years
It's a lot different today..The rules have changed..But back then, you weren't sniffing the Finals unless you played defense..
Who has Melo played with to say his teams underachieved??..He won 50 games like 7/8 years in a row and lost to some eventual Finals winners..The one year he had another legit player he got to the WCF..I know the hate is there but u have to see the facts too..
mreinman wrote:You are very wrong about that.CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
Dude was the prince then the injuries kept coming.
Babe ruth would be laughed at for being fat and as soon as his numbers tailed he would be crushed.
He be "out of shape".....
Gehrig would accused of partying before ALS was diagnosed.
Mantle would be found to be a drunk.
Jackie Robinson would be called "soft" for not fighting back.
Times are different.
holfresh wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:It's ok to love Ewing. He's an all time great Knick player, probably 2nd best Knick of all time after Clyde.That said, leave the homerism and bias at home when comparing to superior players like Barkley.
All it takes is one look at Basketball Reference if you're not lazy.
You said Nash was better..Dude could not guard a lawn chair..
He does not need to guard any chairs. Nobody could guard him at all.
typical that you wouldn't appreciate his greatness. How the hell does this little slow white guy win so many games and almost make it to the finals (where they would have been a HUGE favorite if they could have gotten passed that crazy stacked laker team)?
defense shmeefense ... barkley and nash were so good offensively that their defense was able to be subpar. Barkley was not as bad as you are making him out to be anyway.
gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
Ewing's defense along with his offense made him a superior to Barkely..Unless you are now saying defense isn't that big a deal?
Defense is a very big deal and why Ewing's teams were successful this entire career. And did it without a player as good as Kevin Johnson, John Stockton, Drexler or Dream. Also it is why Melo and his teams underachieve most years
Kevin Johnson missed 30 games that year and Phoenix won a billion games (oh and barkley wins the mvp btw).
Did you look at barkleys numbers yet? How about his playoff numbers? How about his playoff numbers on bad teams?
be fair
holfresh wrote:gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
Ewing's defense along with his offense made him a superior to Barkely..Unless you are now saying defense isn't that big a deal?
Defense is a very big deal and why Ewing's teams were successful this entire career. And did it without a player as good as Kevin Johnson, John Stockton, Drexler or Dream. Also it is why Melo and his teams underachieve most years
It's a lot different today..The rules have changed..But back then, you weren't sniffing the Finals unless you played defense..
Who has Melo played with to say his teams underachieved??..He won 50 games like 7/8 years in a row and lost to some eventual Finals winners..The one year he had another legit player he got to the WCF..I know the hate is there but u have to see the facts too..
funny that you don't make the same arguments for nash like you do for melo. Who did Nash take to the WCF? Who eventually won it all that year?
mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
Ewing's defense along with his offense made him a superior to Barkely..Unless you are now saying defense isn't that big a deal?
Defense is a very big deal and why Ewing's teams were successful this entire career. And did it without a player as good as Kevin Johnson, John Stockton, Drexler or Dream. Also it is why Melo and his teams underachieve most years
It's a lot different today..The rules have changed..But back then, you weren't sniffing the Finals unless you played defense..
Who has Melo played with to say his teams underachieved??..He won 50 games like 7/8 years in a row and lost to some eventual Finals winners..The one year he had another legit player he got to the WCF..I know the hate is there but u have to see the facts too..funny that you don't make the same arguments for nash like you do for melo. Who did Nash take to the WCF? Who eventually won it all that year?
Amare(all star), Marion(all star), Joe Johnson(all star), QRich, Barbosa, Diaw, Dragic..
holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
Ewing's defense along with his offense made him a superior to Barkely..Unless you are now saying defense isn't that big a deal?
Defense is a very big deal and why Ewing's teams were successful this entire career. And did it without a player as good as Kevin Johnson, John Stockton, Drexler or Dream. Also it is why Melo and his teams underachieve most years
It's a lot different today..The rules have changed..But back then, you weren't sniffing the Finals unless you played defense..
Who has Melo played with to say his teams underachieved??..He won 50 games like 7/8 years in a row and lost to some eventual Finals winners..The one year he had another legit player he got to the WCF..I know the hate is there but u have to see the facts too..funny that you don't make the same arguments for nash like you do for melo. Who did Nash take to the WCF? Who eventually won it all that year?
Amare(all star), Marion(all star), Joe Johnson(all star), QRich, Barbosa, Diaw, Dragic..
funny guy LOL
Amare did not play in that run
JJ was not even on the team
Marion was a really underrated player that Nash made a much better player. I love marion more than most btw but lets not go gaga over him as a #2 sidekick.
Check out his (nash) stats again for his career and check out his roster that he took to the WCF.
BE FAIR AND BALANCED FOR HEAVENS SAKE!
QRich? Dragic ... are you freakin kidding me? You are clueless!
mreinman wrote:Marion was 3rd team all nba and 10th in mvp voting the year Amare was out. He wasn't just a good player. The guy grabbed almost a 1,000 rebounds and 100 more steals than Nash. Marion was a beast that year.holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
Ewing's defense along with his offense made him a superior to Barkely..Unless you are now saying defense isn't that big a deal?
Defense is a very big deal and why Ewing's teams were successful this entire career. And did it without a player as good as Kevin Johnson, John Stockton, Drexler or Dream. Also it is why Melo and his teams underachieve most years
It's a lot different today..The rules have changed..But back then, you weren't sniffing the Finals unless you played defense..
Who has Melo played with to say his teams underachieved??..He won 50 games like 7/8 years in a row and lost to some eventual Finals winners..The one year he had another legit player he got to the WCF..I know the hate is there but u have to see the facts too..funny that you don't make the same arguments for nash like you do for melo. Who did Nash take to the WCF? Who eventually won it all that year?
Amare(all star), Marion(all star), Joe Johnson(all star), QRich, Barbosa, Diaw, Dragic..
funny guy LOL
Amare did not play in that run
JJ was not even on the team
Marion was a really underrated player that Nash made a much better player. I love marion more than most btw but lets not go gaga over him as a #2 sidekick.
Check out his (nash) stats again for his career and check out his roster that he took to the WCF.
BE FAIR AND BALANCED FOR HEAVENS SAKE!
QRich? Dragic ... are you freakin kidding me? You are clueless!
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:Marion was 3rd team all nba and 10th in mvp voting the year Amare was out. He wasn't just a good player. The guy grabbed almost a 1,000 rebounds and 100 more steals than Nash. Marion was a beast that year.holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
Ewing's defense along with his offense made him a superior to Barkely..Unless you are now saying defense isn't that big a deal?
Defense is a very big deal and why Ewing's teams were successful this entire career. And did it without a player as good as Kevin Johnson, John Stockton, Drexler or Dream. Also it is why Melo and his teams underachieve most years
It's a lot different today..The rules have changed..But back then, you weren't sniffing the Finals unless you played defense..
Who has Melo played with to say his teams underachieved??..He won 50 games like 7/8 years in a row and lost to some eventual Finals winners..The one year he had another legit player he got to the WCF..I know the hate is there but u have to see the facts too..funny that you don't make the same arguments for nash like you do for melo. Who did Nash take to the WCF? Who eventually won it all that year?
Amare(all star), Marion(all star), Joe Johnson(all star), QRich, Barbosa, Diaw, Dragic..
funny guy LOL
Amare did not play in that run
JJ was not even on the team
Marion was a really underrated player that Nash made a much better player. I love marion more than most btw but lets not go gaga over him as a #2 sidekick.
Check out his (nash) stats again for his career and check out his roster that he took to the WCF.
BE FAIR AND BALANCED FOR HEAVENS SAKE!
QRich? Dragic ... are you freakin kidding me? You are clueless!
ok ... again. I love marion. He is not a shaq type number 2 or Wade. Or Pippen. 10th is still good but not good enough.
Can we please give Nash his due?
mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:gunsnewing wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:New Yorkers are Number One...I have a couple of buddies that are huge sixers fans. My guess is if they could go back in time have Ewing over Chuck they would take Ewing.At turning true Knickslove into true Knicks disgust and coveting thy neighbor's power forward.
and I am sure that has more to do with barkley being a nut job / loose canon. Not because ewing was a better player. That is a joke.
I would be scared to draft Dennis Rodman too but he may have been the best defender / rebounder of all time.
Ewing's defense along with his offense made him a superior to Barkely..Unless you are now saying defense isn't that big a deal?
Defense is a very big deal and why Ewing's teams were successful this entire career. And did it without a player as good as Kevin Johnson, John Stockton, Drexler or Dream. Also it is why Melo and his teams underachieve most years
It's a lot different today..The rules have changed..But back then, you weren't sniffing the Finals unless you played defense..
Who has Melo played with to say his teams underachieved??..He won 50 games like 7/8 years in a row and lost to some eventual Finals winners..The one year he had another legit player he got to the WCF..I know the hate is there but u have to see the facts too..funny that you don't make the same arguments for nash like you do for melo. Who did Nash take to the WCF? Who eventually won it all that year?
Amare(all star), Marion(all star), Joe Johnson(all star), QRich, Barbosa, Diaw, Dragic..
funny guy LOL
Amare did not play in that run
JJ was not even on the team
Marion was a really underrated player that Nash made a much better player. I love marion more than most btw but lets not go gaga over him as a #2 sidekick.
Check out his (nash) stats again for his career and check out his roster that he took to the WCF.
BE FAIR AND BALANCED FOR HEAVENS SAKE!
QRich? Dragic ... are you freakin kidding me? You are clueless!
I'm stating the players Nash played with and compare them to Melo...Marion 19 pts, 11 boards, 2 stl, 1.5 blk...QRich 15 pts, 6reb...Joe Johnson 17 pts, 5reb,4 asst...
But my entire argument is that Melo didn't underachieve..Compare the two rosters both players played with and how did we start comparing Melo and Nash???