He's no long-term solution here at all and we all know he has his weaknesses, but one thing this guy can still do is shoot the ball. I loved how he looked the other day in Boston. Came out firing. That's how we need him to play. Fish needs to force him to be aggressive and be a factor. They should go out of their way to run some plays for him early on. When it's there we need him to shoot without hesitation. With AA out, Sasha relatively ineffective during the preseason (Calderon's a better shooter), KP feeling his way, RoLo not being an offensive player -- I'd like to see Jose try to get off in these 1st quarters. It could only help us. I don't wanna lose a lot of these first quarters if we can help it. It'd be good for Calderon too--it'd keep him hungry and engaged. Fish needs to squeeze every oz. of productivity out of this roster.
I agree with this. Jose should not just defer to melo. Find shots for yourself.
His shot is too good to stay off.
I thought that was one of the main reasons they brought him here in the first place, to knock down those 3s in the corners. It's hard for those kinds of point guards to shake their habits like that. But Calderon's never been TOO hesitant to shoot. Just show him some tape of some of his playoff experiences, knocking down 3s and almost upsetting the soon to be champions San Antonio Spurs in the 1st round.
I want Calderon to find a way to consistently feed the big men in the paint. Thats one thing that separates Grant fron Calderon right now. If Calderon can keep everyone involved, we will be in good shape IMO.
GustavBahler wrote:I want Calderon to find a way to consistently feed the big men in the paint. Thats one thing that separates Grant fron Calderon right now. If Calderon can keep everyone involved, we will be in good shape IMO.
And one thing that separates Calderon from Grant is that he has a better jump shot. Unselfish guards has not helped the Knicks in recent years, at all. Pablo was pretty good at it, but he was too unselfish. There's a pretty good chance we might have won more games if he would've been a little more aggressive with his own shot, especially when JR was throwing up bricks a plenty. We won a lot of games when Kidd's shot was consistent, then started losing when he started throwing up bricks.
Yes, we need Calderon to get the big guys involved. And I'm sure he'll do that. But more than anything else we need him to knock down shots.
i heard vujevic and jose will be starting in the backcourt. lol. with melo on the wing. poor lopez, hes gonna lose his mind fouling out when guards repeatedly drive to the rim. lol
callmened wrote:i heard vujevic and jose will be starting in the backcourt. lol. with melo on the wing. poor lopez, hes gonna lose his mind fouling out when guards repeatedly drive to the rim. lol
Tyson redux?
herkyJerky wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I want Calderon to find a way to consistently feed the big men in the paint. Thats one thing that separates Grant fron Calderon right now. If Calderon can keep everyone involved, we will be in good shape IMO.
And one thing that separates Calderon from Grant is that he has a better jump shot. Unselfish guards has not helped the Knicks in recent years, at all. Pablo was pretty good at it, but he was too unselfish. There's a pretty good chance we might have won more games if he would've been a little more aggressive with his own shot, especially when JR was throwing up bricks a plenty. We won a lot of games when Kidd's shot was consistent, then started losing when he started throwing up bricks.
Yes, we need Calderon to get the big guys involved. And I'm sure he'll do that. But more than anything else we need him to knock down shots.
Grant is better than Pablo was (when we got him) at driving and dishing. Pablo was great at keeping the ball moving, mostly around the perimeter, but he couldnt consistently set up teammates the way Grant has already shown he is able. Grant can also take it to the rim, something Pablo was allergic to, so I dont believe the comparison is accurate. Grant is also a better defender, and I dont see him passing up shots the way that Pablo did to a fault.
Kidd not only stopped hitting his shots but he also ran out of gas, and couldnt keep up defensively. I dont see Grant being a liabilty on defense. His shot looked a little better in his last game, and I expect him to keep it up.
callmened wrote:i heard vujevic and jose will be starting in the backcourt. lol. with melo on the wing. poor lopez, hes gonna lose his mind fouling out when guards repeatedly drive to the rim. lol
thats why they paid him 12 mill per, i certainly don't expect him to avg more the 9 points
The game will come to him and he will shoot it............
GustavBahler wrote:herkyJerky wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I want Calderon to find a way to consistently feed the big men in the paint. Thats one thing that separates Grant fron Calderon right now. If Calderon can keep everyone involved, we will be in good shape IMO.
And one thing that separates Calderon from Grant is that he has a better jump shot. Unselfish guards has not helped the Knicks in recent years, at all. Pablo was pretty good at it, but he was too unselfish. There's a pretty good chance we might have won more games if he would've been a little more aggressive with his own shot, especially when JR was throwing up bricks a plenty. We won a lot of games when Kidd's shot was consistent, then started losing when he started throwing up bricks.
Yes, we need Calderon to get the big guys involved. And I'm sure he'll do that. But more than anything else we need him to knock down shots.
Grant is better than Pablo was (when we got him) at driving and dishing. Pablo was great at keeping the ball moving, mostly around the perimeter, but he couldnt consistently set up teammates the way Grant has already shown he is able. Grant can also take it to the rim, something Pablo was allergic to, so I dont believe the comparison is accurate. Grant is also a better defender, and I dont see him passing up shots the way that Pablo did to a fault.
Kidd not only stopped hitting his shots but he also ran out of gas, and couldnt keep up defensively. I dont see Grant being a liabilty on defense. His shot looked a little better in his last game, and I expect him to keep it up.
Right, Grant IS more willing to take shots than Pablo was, but Calderon's jump shot is still much better than Grant's. THAT was my point, and that was why I was comparing Calderon to Pablo, not Grant to Pablo. I guess I wasn't clear enough about that.
herkyJerky wrote:GustavBahler wrote:herkyJerky wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I want Calderon to find a way to consistently feed the big men in the paint. Thats one thing that separates Grant fron Calderon right now. If Calderon can keep everyone involved, we will be in good shape IMO.
And one thing that separates Calderon from Grant is that he has a better jump shot. Unselfish guards has not helped the Knicks in recent years, at all. Pablo was pretty good at it, but he was too unselfish. There's a pretty good chance we might have won more games if he would've been a little more aggressive with his own shot, especially when JR was throwing up bricks a plenty. We won a lot of games when Kidd's shot was consistent, then started losing when he started throwing up bricks.
Yes, we need Calderon to get the big guys involved. And I'm sure he'll do that. But more than anything else we need him to knock down shots.
Grant is better than Pablo was (when we got him) at driving and dishing. Pablo was great at keeping the ball moving, mostly around the perimeter, but he couldnt consistently set up teammates the way Grant has already shown he is able. Grant can also take it to the rim, something Pablo was allergic to, so I dont believe the comparison is accurate. Grant is also a better defender, and I dont see him passing up shots the way that Pablo did to a fault.
Kidd not only stopped hitting his shots but he also ran out of gas, and couldnt keep up defensively. I dont see Grant being a liabilty on defense. His shot looked a little better in his last game, and I expect him to keep it up.
Right, Grant IS more willing to take shots than Pablo was, but Calderon's jump shot is still much better than Grant's. THAT was my point, and that was why I was comparing Calderon to Pablo, not Grant to Pablo. I guess I wasn't clear enough about that.
As I said in the last gamethread, when Calderon is hitting his shots the Knicks can be competitive, but once his shots stop falling, the weaknesses in his game become more glaring, and the offense stagnates.
I dont mind Calderon beginning the season as starter, but by January, if Grant looks like he is ready to start then I hope he does. We learned with Kidd that you want to monitor the minutes of your veteran PGs if you want them to have something left for the playoffs. If Calderon can do a decent job of feeding our big men in the paint, which will open up space for the shooters, I will be very happy.
I think there is significantly more upside to seeing if Jose can come close to hitting 50%/40%/90% again, as opposed to just waiting for his contract to expire
GustavBahler wrote:herkyJerky wrote:GustavBahler wrote:herkyJerky wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I want Calderon to find a way to consistently feed the big men in the paint. Thats one thing that separates Grant fron Calderon right now. If Calderon can keep everyone involved, we will be in good shape IMO.
And one thing that separates Calderon from Grant is that he has a better jump shot. Unselfish guards has not helped the Knicks in recent years, at all. Pablo was pretty good at it, but he was too unselfish. There's a pretty good chance we might have won more games if he would've been a little more aggressive with his own shot, especially when JR was throwing up bricks a plenty. We won a lot of games when Kidd's shot was consistent, then started losing when he started throwing up bricks.
Yes, we need Calderon to get the big guys involved. And I'm sure he'll do that. But more than anything else we need him to knock down shots.
Grant is better than Pablo was (when we got him) at driving and dishing. Pablo was great at keeping the ball moving, mostly around the perimeter, but he couldnt consistently set up teammates the way Grant has already shown he is able. Grant can also take it to the rim, something Pablo was allergic to, so I dont believe the comparison is accurate. Grant is also a better defender, and I dont see him passing up shots the way that Pablo did to a fault.
Kidd not only stopped hitting his shots but he also ran out of gas, and couldnt keep up defensively. I dont see Grant being a liabilty on defense. His shot looked a little better in his last game, and I expect him to keep it up.
Right, Grant IS more willing to take shots than Pablo was, but Calderon's jump shot is still much better than Grant's. THAT was my point, and that was why I was comparing Calderon to Pablo, not Grant to Pablo. I guess I wasn't clear enough about that.
As I said in the last gamethread, when Calderon is hitting his shots the Knicks can be competitive, but once his shots stop falling, the weaknesses in his game become more glaring, and the offense stagnates.
I dont mind Calderon beginning the season as starter, but by January, if Grant looks like he is ready to start then I hope he does. We learned with Kidd that you want to monitor the minutes of your veteran PGs if you want them to have something left for the playoffs. If Calderon can do a decent job of feeding our big men in the paint, which will open up space for the shooters, I will be very happy.
Yeah, I can't argue with any of that. I'm also hoping that Grant is ready at some point during this season. That would be fun. But I have a feeling that Calderon isn't going to be seeing too many minutes anyway, at least not typical starting PG kind of minutes. I don't think Fisher is interested in grinding him at all. That would be destructive on a lot of levels, especially if they do in fact have any kind of trade plans involved with him. But we'll just have to see.
We need Jose to come off the bench as a 2 guard and just let him shoot he's no longer a pg he's to old and can't break down the defense... As a result very few open shots and lots of 4 for 20 to come. Until grant starts its going to be hard to get wins with Jose at pg.. With the way teams play defense you need a pg that can break down the defense and get guys open shots.. Jose can't do it... He's 6'5 time to play the two Jose and shoot the shit out of the ball
Until Grant learns to shoot he'll just be a backup on this team.
GustavBahler wrote:Nice article on how Calderon is mentoring Grant, and how the Knicks are taking care of their rooks. Cant copy and paste from ipad.http://espn.go.com/newyork/nba/story/_/i...
This is the kind of "Culture" type things one would hope can occur in the new era. Jose got his money and the end of his career can choose to be a diva or be part of a team effort and enjoy his job.
Yeah, he had a pretty awful night against the Bucks despite a few nice hustle plays. But I think we can afford to give him a few more nights and see what happens. We started the season with a W, it's looking like our 2nd unit is going to be pretty reliable on a pretty consistent basis, so yeah, I think we can afford to give him a few more games and see what happens. The more games we can get by with him starting, the more games we allow Grant to develop. No need to rush things if these guys keep playing like this as a team. And how about the White Mamba? Let's see if White Mamba will help bring down some Hawks tonight. HISSSSSSSSS.
we need to not let him play when Affalo returns
