Interesting physical differences between college Jimmer and pro Jimmer.
Has he been trying to lose weight to be quicker? Still there is a significant difference in the shoulder and neck areas when comparing the two Jimmers.
Most players get stronger once in the league...Jimmer seems to have become less muscular for some reason.
Jimmer might have a shot to find his game in a system like the Triangle since it minimizes the typical PG duties. The ability to shoot the ball is more important than overall playmaking ability. It will be interesting to see if he can find success and if the Knicks take a chance on him. We already have a weak defensive PG in Jose. Jimmer is a younger version who might have more value as a more aggressive offensive player.
nixluva wrote:Jimmer might have a shot to find his game in a system like the Triangle since it minimizes the typical PG duties. The ability to shoot the ball is more important than overall playmaking ability. It will be interesting to see if he can find success and if the Knicks take a chance on him. We already have a weak defensive PG in Jose. Jimmer is a younger version who might have more value as a more aggressive offensive player.
What surprised me was how down on Jimmer the unnamed assistant coach was. It sounds like he hasn't handled the transition from famous college player to nba role player that well. There were some ominous quotes but hopefully Jimmer realizes that he will not be able to have an nba career unless he changes.
Credit guys like JJ Redick who made the transition...It took Redick a few years, but he figure out he had to work hard and get in the right shape to make it in the NBA..Redick now looks like Reggie Miller running off a picks to release his shot...It takes talent and dedication...Curry is a hard worker as well on all aspects of his game including shooting, it doesn't just come naturally...
This is why you have to be careful with rooks when that 82 game/travel grind hits them...It has to be a shock to them...The work, sleep, diet, city after city..Through it all, you have to show up and ball night after night...
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Jimmer might have a shot to find his game in a system like the Triangle since it minimizes the typical PG duties. The ability to shoot the ball is more important than overall playmaking ability. It will be interesting to see if he can find success and if the Knicks take a chance on him. We already have a weak defensive PG in Jose. Jimmer is a younger version who might have more value as a more aggressive offensive player.
What surprised me was how down on Jimmer the unnamed assistant coach was. It sounds like he hasn't handled the transition from famous college player to nba role player that well. There were some ominous quotes but hopefully Jimmer realizes that he will not be able to have an nba career unless he changes.
I would hope that dropping to DL would be a huge wake up call. If he goes into this with the right attitude it could be his way back to the NBA. Fish is likely going to explain to him how he could find success in this system. No other system has helped limited guards find a niche than the Triangle!!! If he's humble and dedicates himself to learning it could work out great for him.
Come on people- he's 26 and has shown nothing as a pro. He has no foot speed and is a worse defender than Calderon. On top of that the article questions his ego and attitude. I'd rather give Toure Murry another chance.
Unless Freddette has a come to Jesus(Phil) moment, and decides to really work on expanding his game, its going to be Europe next for the Jimmer
I wouldn't give up just yet on Jimmer. Remember all of the negativity around DWilliams just a few short weeks ago? I'm hoping that Phil sees something here that can be really good down the line.
clyderules wrote:I wouldn't give up just yet on Jimmer. Remember all of the negativity around DWilliams just a few short weeks ago? I'm hoping that Phil sees something here that can be really good down the line.
+1. Never a huge fan but I think he still has something to offer in the NBA. There are positives here--still relatively young, excellent shooter/great scorer's mentality, definitely not lacking in confidence (I've read some anonymous NBA coach has been criticizing Jimmer for comments he supposedly made about not needing to adjust much from how he played at BYU--I wonder if that was taken out of context. He seems like a good guy. Could this coach have mistaken confidence for arrogance? Maybe.. I kind of like those comments myself. I think Jimmer knows perfectly well that part of his life is over and that he's a different player at the NBA level. Doesn't mean he can't still be effective as a role player. Can't tell me he can't perform a similar role in the NBA that Steve Kerr/John Paxson played at one time--he's just as skilled if not more so than either of those two. Even a step up from that eventually--maybe something close to JJ Reddick, a starter on a very good team). May not be the quickest or possess true PG capabilities but he's got enough in each area to be a factor & contribute. Contrary to criticism, he can make plays for others (I've seen it) and this 'lack of footspeed thing' is a little overblown. I wouldn't exactly call him slow...Let's see what happens. Would it really surprise anyone to see him blow up the DL and eventually take the Knicks 15th spot? Not me. I could see him eliminating the need to even play Jose Calderon (Afflalo makes it back as the starting 2, Grant's elevated to starting PG, with Galloway, Sasha V and Fredette all sharing time off the bench. If Fredette started producing, he could even eliminate the need to play Sasha as well. I know Phil likes both but even he's gotta know by now that Calderon and Sasha are merely placeholders until we come up with something better). We'll see--one step at a time. Let's see him dominate at Westchester first.
smackeddog wrote:Come on people- he's 26 and has shown nothing as a pro. He has no foot speed and is a worse defender than Calderon. On top of that the article questions his ego and attitude. I'd rather give Toure Murry another chance.
GustavBahler wrote:Unless Freddette has a come to Jesus(Phil) moment, and decides to really work on expanding his game, its going to be Europe next for the Jimmer
Athlete rebirths are great to imagine, watch, and appreciate when they do happen, but for the most part they are rare.
As mentioned, the guy has shown you nothing up to this point, and he may have some learning issues based on his attitude, and now you are asking him to play in a system which will probably give him less freedom to do his thing.
I hope Fredette has something left in him, but I would rather see Trice (assuming we keep him), an unknown quantity at this point, running the Westchester offense, than a player who has been given many chances and failed.
I always reserve some judgment of a players past in other schemes. This system is so different in terms of how we use guards. Its possible that Jimmer could find a niche in this style of play that favors combo guards and shooting guards a bit more than pure PG's.
nixluva wrote:I always reserve some judgment of a players past in other schemes. This system is so different in terms of how we use guards. Its possible that Jimmer could find a niche in this style of play that favors combo guards and shooting guards a bit more than pure PG's.
The problem is that Jimmer has a hard time adjusting to any system, according to the article. Slow footed guards have made it before. Dan Dickau was able to carve out a few decent seasons as a reserve. Scott Skiles was able to carve out a career. Jimmer needs to forget his hype and check his ego at the door. And that's if he wants to be decent.
BigDaddyG wrote:nixluva wrote:I always reserve some judgment of a players past in other schemes. This system is so different in terms of how we use guards. Its possible that Jimmer could find a niche in this style of play that favors combo guards and shooting guards a bit more than pure PG's.
The problem is that Jimmer has a hard time adjusting to any system, according to the article. Slow footed guards have made it before. Dan Dickau was able to carve out a few decent seasons as a reserve. Scott Skiles was able to carve out a career. Jimmer needs to forget his hype and check his ego at the door. And that's if he wants to be decent.
I agree as I said earlier he has to humble himself and realize this is a chance to get back in the league if he can learn how to take advantage of this opportunity.
She was a cute cheerleader and him the fair haired star at BYU.
These dudes start getting that fresh puzzy and can't think of anything else!!
He'll either get humble or start coaching in Utah soon enough. Watch games of Kerr and Paxton and can carve out a career, or tap that cutie all day and make 20 kids. his choice.
It sounds like this assistant coach might have had a personal vendetta against Jimmer because his comments are so over the top one way negative. I did read somewhere that when Jimmer was drafted 10th, right ahead of Klay Thompson, his speed was measured as excellent, faster than Chris Paul and others and he actually plays hard defense. Maybe Phil, Derek, and the triangle can bring it out. Wouldn't it be nice to have another lights out shooter?
Nalod wrote:She was a cute cheerleader and him the fair haired star at BYU.
These dudes start getting that fresh puzzy and can't think of anything else!!
He'll either get humble or start coaching in Utah soon enough. Watch games of Kerr and Paxton and can carve out a career, or tap that cutie all day and make 20 kids. his choice.
I don't know...that shirt might have been the first sign that he was not going to be tough enough as a defender in the NBA,
WaltLongmire wrote:Nalod wrote:She was a cute cheerleader and him the fair haired star at BYU.
These dudes start getting that fresh puzzy and can't think of anything else!!
He'll either get humble or start coaching in Utah soon enough. Watch games of Kerr and Paxton and can carve out a career, or tap that cutie all day and make 20 kids. his choice.
I don't know...that shirt might have been the first sign that he was not going to be tough enough as a defender in the NBA,
So he can't do both?
I do agree that the shirt has to go!
He's a long shot at this point, but it's only a D-league draft pick, so it makes sense to gamble that the light will go on.
Looks like he spent more time on his conditioning, trying to improve his foot speed. And lost his upper body strength, which was used for his long range shot. As a result, his weight lost hasn't improved his lateral quickness. But his shooting (which was his bread and butter) was lost.
Classic situation of why you should never stop working on your strengths.
I heard a story about a coach asking a pitcher what his best pitches were. The pitcher named like 2 or 3 pitches. The coach said no, pick 1 of your best pitches. Then the coach said, "now go out there and practice on your best pitch for the next few months" That pitcher later won some award! True story!
Always try to improve what you are good at, as a top priority. Then whatever you have left, that's when you work on your weaknesses. This is a life learning lesson, free of charge!
Jimmer just needs somebody to explain that to him, so he can get his swagger back. Stop focusing on your weakness, and continue to improve your strengths.
