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fishmike wrote:yea.. Sasha hasnt been terrible... First game was great actually. He was a big part of the blowout. Last two games he has shot very poorly. Lets see... Im looking for Sasha to play heavy minutes. He's here to spot start and replace guys who are hurt. So far we are 2-1 without our starting SG and with Sasha stepping into that role. This is what you live with when guys get hurt.

Ok ... I give sasha another shot tonight and will keep an open mind.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. Sasha hasnt been terrible... First game was great actually. He was a big part of the blowout. Last two games he has shot very poorly. Lets see... Im looking for Sasha to play heavy minutes. He's here to spot start and replace guys who are hurt. So far we are 2-1 without our starting SG and with Sasha stepping into that role. This is what you live with when guys get hurt.

Ok ... I give sasha another shot tonight and will keep an open mind.

He's got Danny Green tonight, not much of a scorer... He's out there to hit some shots and play smart. He missed some good looks the last couple of games, so has Jose. Lets see if those two can show something.

There is some nice competition within the roster. Galloway and Grant are breathing down their necks for minutes, and Fisher benched Jose for Gallow down the stretch vs. Wash (and it prob won the game). Im sure Jose noticed that. Lets see how he reacts

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. Sasha hasnt been terrible... First game was great actually. He was a big part of the blowout. Last two games he has shot very poorly. Lets see... Im looking for Sasha to play heavy minutes. He's here to spot start and replace guys who are hurt. So far we are 2-1 without our starting SG and with Sasha stepping into that role. This is what you live with when guys get hurt.

Ok ... I give sasha another shot tonight and will keep an open mind.

He's got Danny Green tonight, not much of a scorer... He's out there to hit some shots and play smart. He missed some good looks the last couple of games, so has Jose. Lets see if those two can show something.

There is some nice competition within the roster. Galloway and Grant are breathing down their necks for minutes, and Fisher benched Jose for Gallow down the stretch vs. Wash (and it prob won the game). Im sure Jose noticed that. Lets see how he reacts

I don't think that Jose needs motivation. He is a pro, a real pro. He just does not have it anymore.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. Sasha hasnt been terrible... First game was great actually. He was a big part of the blowout. Last two games he has shot very poorly. Lets see... Im looking for Sasha to play heavy minutes. He's here to spot start and replace guys who are hurt. So far we are 2-1 without our starting SG and with Sasha stepping into that role. This is what you live with when guys get hurt.

Ok ... I give sasha another shot tonight and will keep an open mind.

He's got Danny Green tonight, not much of a scorer... He's out there to hit some shots and play smart. He missed some good looks the last couple of games, so has Jose. Lets see if those two can show something.

There is some nice competition within the roster. Galloway and Grant are breathing down their necks for minutes, and Fisher benched Jose for Gallow down the stretch vs. Wash (and it prob won the game). Im sure Jose noticed that. Lets see how he reacts

I don't think that Jose needs motivation. He is a pro, a real pro. He just does not have it anymore.

he's human... and he's shooting like 23%. Guys get up, guys get down. I see Jose as place holder until Grant is ready, but I highly doubt he's as bad as he's shown. Like you said.. he's a pro. Getting beat on D? OK... but not shooting like he is. I expect a night where he shoots 4-6 from downtown and gives us 4-5 assists in 25 minutes. Maybe even a few in a row...

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. Sasha hasnt been terrible... First game was great actually. He was a big part of the blowout. Last two games he has shot very poorly. Lets see... Im looking for Sasha to play heavy minutes. He's here to spot start and replace guys who are hurt. So far we are 2-1 without our starting SG and with Sasha stepping into that role. This is what you live with when guys get hurt.

Ok ... I give sasha another shot tonight and will keep an open mind.

He's got Danny Green tonight, not much of a scorer... He's out there to hit some shots and play smart. He missed some good looks the last couple of games, so has Jose. Lets see if those two can show something.

There is some nice competition within the roster. Galloway and Grant are breathing down their necks for minutes, and Fisher benched Jose for Gallow down the stretch vs. Wash (and it prob won the game). Im sure Jose noticed that. Lets see how he reacts

I don't think that Jose needs motivation. He is a pro, a real pro. He just does not have it anymore.

he's human... and he's shooting like 23%. Guys get up, guys get down. I see Jose as place holder until Grant is ready, but I highly doubt he's as bad as he's shown. Like you said.. he's a pro. Getting beat on D? OK... but not shooting like he is. I expect a night where he shoots 4-6 from downtown and gives us 4-5 assists in 25 minutes. Maybe even a few in a row...

problem is fish, I had the same expectations last year but it never happened. Kept wait and I think that its over now.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. Sasha hasnt been terrible... First game was great actually. He was a big part of the blowout. Last two games he has shot very poorly. Lets see... Im looking for Sasha to play heavy minutes. He's here to spot start and replace guys who are hurt. So far we are 2-1 without our starting SG and with Sasha stepping into that role. This is what you live with when guys get hurt.

Ok ... I give sasha another shot tonight and will keep an open mind.

He's got Danny Green tonight, not much of a scorer... He's out there to hit some shots and play smart. He missed some good looks the last couple of games, so has Jose. Lets see if those two can show something.

There is some nice competition within the roster. Galloway and Grant are breathing down their necks for minutes, and Fisher benched Jose for Gallow down the stretch vs. Wash (and it prob won the game). Im sure Jose noticed that. Lets see how he reacts

I don't think that Jose needs motivation. He is a pro, a real pro. He just does not have it anymore.

he's human... and he's shooting like 23%. Guys get up, guys get down. I see Jose as place holder until Grant is ready, but I highly doubt he's as bad as he's shown. Like you said.. he's a pro. Getting beat on D? OK... but not shooting like he is. I expect a night where he shoots 4-6 from downtown and gives us 4-5 assists in 25 minutes. Maybe even a few in a row...

problem is fish, I had the same expectations last year but it never happened. Kept wait and I think that its over now.

Last year dude was probably never healthy for very long. He had some good shooting games tho.

There's still a chance that he regains his shooting touch, which is his biggest strength.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. Sasha hasnt been terrible... First game was great actually. He was a big part of the blowout. Last two games he has shot very poorly. Lets see... Im looking for Sasha to play heavy minutes. He's here to spot start and replace guys who are hurt. So far we are 2-1 without our starting SG and with Sasha stepping into that role. This is what you live with when guys get hurt.

Ok ... I give sasha another shot tonight and will keep an open mind.

He's got Danny Green tonight, not much of a scorer... He's out there to hit some shots and play smart. He missed some good looks the last couple of games, so has Jose. Lets see if those two can show something.

There is some nice competition within the roster. Galloway and Grant are breathing down their necks for minutes, and Fisher benched Jose for Gallow down the stretch vs. Wash (and it prob won the game). Im sure Jose noticed that. Lets see how he reacts

I don't think that Jose needs motivation. He is a pro, a real pro. He just does not have it anymore.

he's human... and he's shooting like 23%. Guys get up, guys get down. I see Jose as place holder until Grant is ready, but I highly doubt he's as bad as he's shown. Like you said.. he's a pro. Getting beat on D? OK... but not shooting like he is. I expect a night where he shoots 4-6 from downtown and gives us 4-5 assists in 25 minutes. Maybe even a few in a row...

problem is fish, I had the same expectations last year but it never happened. Kept wait and I think that its over now.

agree.. but as mentioned he was hurt. That being said, I am a what you see is what you get. Right now Jose is old, getting beat by quicker players and not hitting shots. Tough to work around that. Lukily we are 2-1 so it hasnt cost us, but eventually it will.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. Sasha hasnt been terrible... First game was great actually. He was a big part of the blowout. Last two games he has shot very poorly. Lets see... Im looking for Sasha to play heavy minutes. He's here to spot start and replace guys who are hurt. So far we are 2-1 without our starting SG and with Sasha stepping into that role. This is what you live with when guys get hurt.

Ok ... I give sasha another shot tonight and will keep an open mind.

He's got Danny Green tonight, not much of a scorer... He's out there to hit some shots and play smart. He missed some good looks the last couple of games, so has Jose. Lets see if those two can show something.

There is some nice competition within the roster. Galloway and Grant are breathing down their necks for minutes, and Fisher benched Jose for Gallow down the stretch vs. Wash (and it prob won the game). Im sure Jose noticed that. Lets see how he reacts

I don't think that Jose needs motivation. He is a pro, a real pro. He just does not have it anymore.

he's human... and he's shooting like 23%. Guys get up, guys get down. I see Jose as place holder until Grant is ready, but I highly doubt he's as bad as he's shown. Like you said.. he's a pro. Getting beat on D? OK... but not shooting like he is. I expect a night where he shoots 4-6 from downtown and gives us 4-5 assists in 25 minutes. Maybe even a few in a row...

problem is fish, I had the same expectations last year but it never happened. Kept wait and I think that its over now.

agree.. but as mentioned he was hurt. That being said, I am a what you see is what you get. Right now Jose is old, getting beat by quicker players and not hitting shots. Tough to work around that. Lukily we are 2-1 so it hasnt cost us, but eventually it will.

The way fisher is handling things now, is what i expected last season, but he refuse to do anything out side the triangle box, and his rotation made me want to shoot him on the spot. THE DNP's CD for seraphin(despite playing against his old team) and Early was a solid move. Last season he would have given those guys token minutes.

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fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. Sasha hasnt been terrible... First game was great actually. He was a big part of the blowout. Last two games he has shot very poorly. Lets see... Im looking for Sasha to play heavy minutes. He's here to spot start and replace guys who are hurt. So far we are 2-1 without our starting SG and with Sasha stepping into that role. This is what you live with when guys get hurt.

Ok ... I give sasha another shot tonight and will keep an open mind.

He's got Danny Green tonight, not much of a scorer... He's out there to hit some shots and play smart. He missed some good looks the last couple of games, so has Jose. Lets see if those two can show something.

There is some nice competition within the roster. Galloway and Grant are breathing down their necks for minutes, and Fisher benched Jose for Gallow down the stretch vs. Wash (and it prob won the game). Im sure Jose noticed that. Lets see how he reacts

I don't think that Jose needs motivation. He is a pro, a real pro. He just does not have it anymore.

he's human... and he's shooting like 23%. Guys get up, guys get down. I see Jose as place holder until Grant is ready, but I highly doubt he's as bad as he's shown. Like you said.. he's a pro. Getting beat on D? OK... but not shooting like he is. I expect a night where he shoots 4-6 from downtown and gives us 4-5 assists in 25 minutes. Maybe even a few in a row...

problem is fish, I had the same expectations last year but it never happened. Kept wait and I think that its over now.

agree.. but as mentioned he was hurt. That being said, I am a what you see is what you get. Right now Jose is old, getting beat by quicker players and not hitting shots. Tough to work around that. Lukily we are 2-1 so it hasnt cost us, but eventually it will.

The way fisher is handling things now, is what i expected last season, but he refuse to do anything out side the triangle box, and his rotation made me want to shoot him on the spot. THE DNP's CD for seraphin(despite playing against his old team) and Early was a solid move. Last season he would have given those guys token minutes.

Actually Fish DID IN FACT start doing what we're seeing now last year. I can quite easily point it out to you exactly the same things the team is doing now were part of the offense last year, but it still matters who is playing. You can't turn scrubs into good players simply by having them run the Triangle or any offense for that matter. You still need the players to actually get it done on the floor.

Pushing the ball, Drag Screens, PnR etc was all implemented last year but this team is MUCH more talented and better suited to playing this system. As for lineups and rotations that also gets a bit easier when you have more talent. Tho it shouldn't be surprising if a rookie coach makes better decisions with more experience and better players. Fisher's biggest issue last year was talent and inexperience, but it starts with talent. If he had great players it would make him look a LOT smarter than having scrubs and guys who didn't fit.

Yeah, I agree - Fisher started implementing this system with Shved and Galloway late in the year last year.

I wish we would've brought Shved back and bought out Calderon.

Then we could be starting General Grant next to Afflalo and have Galloway and Shved off the bench.

Anyway, whatever.

But Calderon needs to not be starting at some point soon. He's getting torched EVERY NIGHT at PG. That's the spot in the league every team (but us) starts their offense from. If you're going to allow yourself to get torched at the point, you're allowing an NBA team to jumpstart its offense. You put the entire team in a hole.

Grant or Galloway needs to be the starting PG. I'd start them both for now. Not sure who fits best next to Afflalo, maybe Galloway. Then bring Grant in to run the bench unit, but also play alongside Galloway for some time.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. Sasha hasnt been terrible... First game was great actually. He was a big part of the blowout. Last two games he has shot very poorly. Lets see... Im looking for Sasha to play heavy minutes. He's here to spot start and replace guys who are hurt. So far we are 2-1 without our starting SG and with Sasha stepping into that role. This is what you live with when guys get hurt.

Ok ... I give sasha another shot tonight and will keep an open mind.

LOL... Ok Sasha is terrible

Everyone gets up and down... its a long season, but yea.. Sasha and Jose have been terrible.

Fish you've said it all. When Melo is on like that we r beating good teams like WAS. When he's off we still have a shot like against SA who ultimately is just too talented and well coached for us at this stage. I'm still encouraged by our first half play and our grit to stay in it and cut it to 4 playing good d. Of course there lots of lay ups and blown defensive plays in there too but the time is young and learning. I feel really good about this team once everyone settles into their roles.

Offense had a lot of trouble getting going after about halfway in the 2nd quarter. I expect that to subside over time with familiarity with offense and between the players. This is a pretty balanced team that can compete with the best of them. We are a playoff team.

Killa4luv wrote:Fish you've said it all. When Melo is on like that we r beating good teams like WAS. When he's off we still have a shot like against SA who ultimately is just too talented and well coached for us at this stage. I'm still encouraged by our first half play and our grit to stay in it and cut it to 4 playing good d. Of course there lots of lay ups and blown defensive plays in there too but the time is young and learning. I feel really good about this team once everyone settles into their roles.

Offense had a lot of trouble getting going after about halfway in the 2nd quarter. I expect that to subside over time with familiarity with offense and between the players. This is a pretty balanced team that can compete with the best of them. We are a playoff team.

this.. we are big, skilled, deep and commited to defense. He have a group of youngish guys set to stick around awhile and grow in KP, Gallo, Grant, Rolo, KOQ

Very promising

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. Sasha hasnt been terrible... First game was great actually. He was a big part of the blowout. Last two games he has shot very poorly. Lets see... Im looking for Sasha to play heavy minutes. He's here to spot start and replace guys who are hurt. So far we are 2-1 without our starting SG and with Sasha stepping into that role. This is what you live with when guys get hurt.

Ok ... I give sasha another shot tonight and will keep an open mind.

LOL... Ok Sasha is terrible

Everyone gets up and down... its a long season, but yea.. Sasha and Jose have been terrible.

haha ... terrible. If he can't shoot then he is (basically) worthless.

the older those legs get the harder it is to remain a consistent shooter. This game is too fast now.