fishmike wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:fishmike wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:fishmike wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:fishmike wrote:But KP is knocking em down at a rate of .200 and you say keep jacking? Please answer my questions...
I will.
His "rate" after 5 NBA games played and 15 attempts is utterly irrelevant to ANY evaluation as to how many he should be talking, and that remains true whether is "rate" was .200, .400 or .600.
His first 15 shots means NOTHING under any context.
thats not my question…
But KP is knocking em down at a rate of .200 and you say keep jacking?
Yes, it was your question.
my question is how many do you want him taking? 5 games means nothing? I have said take the open spot up 3. If that is a stupid answer please clarify. How many 3's are a reasonable %? How many a game do you want him to take. How many games of shooting it poorly before you say lets get him doing what he is going well for him, and steer away from what is not working?
I don't have any number in mind.
As for "how many games of shooting it poorly before you say lets get him doing what he is going well for him, and steer away from what is not working?"
I can't answer you in games. Better question would be how many SEASONS. As mentioned several times now, Nowitzski shot .206 his rookie SEASON.
He improved each of his first 4 seasons, and then went backwards for 2 … because the NBA. He did not shoot over .400 until his 7th season and did not shoot his career high until his … wait for it… 12th season.
There isn't a single or double digit # of games you, I or anyone else can name that comes off as reasonable to an informed NBA fan.
But "5" is ludicrous.
the only thing that is ludicrous is ignoring what is happening right in front of your eyes.
Harden is shooting 9-55 (.164) right in front of our eyes.
So he should stop shooting 3s?
15 shots means NOTHING in the NBA. It's utterly random small sample size.
Until YOU can distinguish the fact YOU'RE making the typical mistake of putting extra weight into those 15 shots because it's his first 15 shots, this will go nowhere.
He could go 4-4 tonight and your entire premise collapses and changes.
Mine would stay exactly the same. 4-4 wouldn't make a damn bit of difference either.
Based on your logic Mudiay should never shoot the damn ball ever again and h should probably only hand it to teammates rather than pass it.
Oh wait… he'll probably get better?
Who knew...
Good call... James Harden and KP. Lets compare a 7'3 player with a 7'8 wingspan to a shooting guard. Good call. You win.
You're getting confused. YOu haven't once critiqued his shooting form. You only critiqued his percentage.
I'll post it again, Notwitzski shot .206 for this rookie SEASON.
Suggesting how many of Porzingis' first 15 NBA 3 point attempts went is indicative and instructive good or bad of his ability is just in ignorance of the game of basketball… and math for that matter.
And understand I'm not arguing he'll be a better or good shooter. I'll happily concede he might suck…forever.
But you just don't make the determination after 15 attempts.
Not amount of trying to unsuccessfully distract from the topic changes that.
As a Knick fan I feel snakebit... anything good I enjoy will be swept away right before it gets truly sweet. The one thing that terrifies me is KP's health. I know he's an excellent athlete, and his slightish frame is perfect for his length. A bulky guy at 7'3 will be out of the league by 28 years old with foot, ankle and knee problems. He can get stronger and gain a few, but long lean and mean is what he's built for. Still Im terrified one of these meatheads (see Tractor Traylor drilling Gallo the first) hits him hard enough, he comes down bad and its Shaun Livingston.
If he can just stay healthy I honestly believe he can be great
1) attitude? check
2) work ethic? check
3) love for the game? check
4) otherworldly physical gifts? check
5) broad multidimensional skill set? check
6) two way player? check
7) good family/no baggage? check
8) smart enough to navigate NY media? check
9) primadonna? Nay
10) Makes SAS look stupid? DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNAAAA
the seed is there. We just need good ground, some good weather and time, but we have the seed. We have not had that since Ewing, and while nobody can predict how great a player will be, KP has all the upside that Ewing (or similar franchise prospect) had. This is no Darko.
And I fully expect KP to be an amazing scorer, and one who pads a gaudy scoring total with 3s. Learn to play inside first, thats all I am saying. Learn to dominate around the paint. Skinny strong fast long guys are nightmares to guard. Exhasting. Let KP drive opposing bigs... then when they are so focused on setting up in the post they forget.. drain drain drain... let KP drain em. Chicken and egg. I see sitting on the perimeter at his size a terrible habit at this point. Did that shit with 6'10 Gallo the first.
Beat em up inside, loosen the outside. It still works. In any case KP is Phil's redemption. Just stay healthy so we can enjoy an amazing career. 
fishmike wrote:And I fully expect KP to be an amazing scorer, and one who pads a gaudy scoring total with 3s. Learn to play inside first, thats all I am saying. Learn to dominate around the paint. Skinny strong fast long guys are nightmares to guard. Exhasting. Let KP drive opposing bigs... then when they are so focused on setting up in the post they forget.. drain drain drain... let KP drain em. Chicken and egg. I see sitting on the perimeter at his size a terrible habit at this point. Did that shit with 6'10 Gallo the first.
Dude is barely 20 playing the first 100 minutes of his NBA career.
Concern over his habits and where he takes shots is just ridiculously premature. His game will evolve and improve over YEARS if he is a good-to-great one.
We really worried about its evolution before his first Thanksgiving as a Knick?
bigbasketballs wrote:fishmike wrote:And I fully expect KP to be an amazing scorer, and one who pads a gaudy scoring total with 3s. Learn to play inside first, thats all I am saying. Learn to dominate around the paint. Skinny strong fast long guys are nightmares to guard. Exhasting. Let KP drive opposing bigs... then when they are so focused on setting up in the post they forget.. drain drain drain... let KP drain em. Chicken and egg. I see sitting on the perimeter at his size a terrible habit at this point. Did that shit with 6'10 Gallo the first.
Dude is barely 20 playing the first 100 minutes of his NBA career.
Concern over his habits and where he takes shots is just ridiculously premature. His game will evolve and improve over YEARS if he is a good-to-great one.
We really worried about its evolution before his first Thanksgiving as a Knick?
good call. Why coach him at all? Im sure if he wants to get better he can read one of Phil's books.
fishmike wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:fishmike wrote:And I fully expect KP to be an amazing scorer, and one who pads a gaudy scoring total with 3s. Learn to play inside first, thats all I am saying. Learn to dominate around the paint. Skinny strong fast long guys are nightmares to guard. Exhasting. Let KP drive opposing bigs... then when they are so focused on setting up in the post they forget.. drain drain drain... let KP drain em. Chicken and egg. I see sitting on the perimeter at his size a terrible habit at this point. Did that shit with 6'10 Gallo the first.
Dude is barely 20 playing the first 100 minutes of his NBA career.
Concern over his habits and where he takes shots is just ridiculously premature. His game will evolve and improve over YEARS if he is a good-to-great one.
We really worried about its evolution before his first Thanksgiving as a Knick?
good call. Why coach him at all? Im sure if he wants to get better he can read one of Phil's books.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. From my responses you've correctly interpreted me to mean don't coach him at all.
Extreme exaggeration is a tell-tale sign of concession, without the courage of actually conceding.
And none of it will have the effect of distracting from the fact a component of your argument was that his percentage was .200 after 15 attempts.
smackeddog wrote:H1AND1 wrote:Yes, we have a 7'3" PF who can shoot 3's and we don't want him to do that. KP should work on making his game LESS diverse. Sounds good. LOL.
It's a great idea! As we all know, players should NEVER work on improving and expanding their game- they just need to stick to what they were good at in their first 5 games as a rookie. Besides which, 3pt shooting has become irrelevant in the nba- it's a dying art.
And playing a skinny 7'3" in the paint all game will have no risks! The almost broken neck was an aberration.
blkexec wrote:BRIGGS.....I bet you were the best fight instigator in HS. This is another great thread thats feeding the weaknesses of typical NY'ers, who are impatient and want to see change in a NY minute. Once again, this thread is the reason why players can't survive in NY. Expectations are out of the roof. NY'ers love to place players in a box. How the hell do you grow, if you plant a tree in a small box. BRIGGS is sitting back and enjoying this action. But please don't change, it's great for the website.I will entertain this thread in a few sentences. Let KP be KP....
Why do you think Phil and Fisher made him a PF?
Why do you think Phil loaded the team up with rebounding / old school / new school PF's?
Phil understands that KP is not the normal / old school 7'3 center in the past. He's a unique player that doesn't have a definition. KP has the potential to play all 5 positions.
It's a waste of time to project how a player's career will be after 5 games.
It's a waste of time to project how a player's career will be after 5 weeks.
It's a waste of time to project how a player's career will be after 5 months.
BRIGGS, it's time that you catchup with the new school. Sounds like old azz Phil is more up to speed than you are. And thats sad. Don't put KP into a box with other centers, thats the worse thing anybody can do. He's not Duncan, and he will never be Duncan. He's not Dirk or KG.....
His game doesn't follow other players, from what I see. So instead of placing mental boundaries around him, let him develop first. Put Melo in a box if you like. Same with Calderon and Rolo.....Those vets have reached their max. Don't waste time with our big 3......Grant, Gallo, KP (THE FUTURE)
I enjoy reading Briggs posts but I'm with you here.
KP has the chance to be something VERY VERY SPECIAL. I mean we can see that just a few games in.
I think the best thing for Kristaps is to discover what he can be. Let his play and skill decide his game, but not by a basketball accepted standard. Let him define a new standard.
This kid has the chance to be something we have not seen since someone like Garnett came into the league. His defense is game changing, his rebounding is, dare I say, great at times (look at the offensive rebounds), his activity/aggression is off the charts, his IQ is high, his play is unselfish, his offensive game appears to have a hugely bright future, and on and on.
I have not been this excited about a Knick in... my whole adult life, really, this is it right here. (Since the 80's)
And we also have a little bonus plan with Grant, I look forward to this smart cat developing with KP, what a great PG for us.
earthmansurfer wrote:blkexec wrote:BRIGGS.....I bet you were the best fight instigator in HS. This is another great thread thats feeding the weaknesses of typical NY'ers, who are impatient and want to see change in a NY minute. Once again, this thread is the reason why players can't survive in NY. Expectations are out of the roof. NY'ers love to place players in a box. How the hell do you grow, if you plant a tree in a small box. BRIGGS is sitting back and enjoying this action. But please don't change, it's great for the website.I will entertain this thread in a few sentences. Let KP be KP....
Why do you think Phil and Fisher made him a PF?
Why do you think Phil loaded the team up with rebounding / old school / new school PF's?
Phil understands that KP is not the normal / old school 7'3 center in the past. He's a unique player that doesn't have a definition. KP has the potential to play all 5 positions.
It's a waste of time to project how a player's career will be after 5 games.
It's a waste of time to project how a player's career will be after 5 weeks.
It's a waste of time to project how a player's career will be after 5 months.
BRIGGS, it's time that you catchup with the new school. Sounds like old azz Phil is more up to speed than you are. And thats sad. Don't put KP into a box with other centers, thats the worse thing anybody can do. He's not Duncan, and he will never be Duncan. He's not Dirk or KG.....
His game doesn't follow other players, from what I see. So instead of placing mental boundaries around him, let him develop first. Put Melo in a box if you like. Same with Calderon and Rolo.....Those vets have reached their max. Don't waste time with our big 3......Grant, Gallo, KP (THE FUTURE)
I enjoy reading Briggs posts but I'm with you here.
KP has the chance to be something VERY VERY SPECIAL. I mean we can see that just a few games in.
I think the best thing for Kristaps is to discover what he can be. Let his play and skill decide his game, but not by a basketball accepted standard. Let him define a new standard.
This kid has the chance to be something we have not seen since someone like Garnett came into the league. His defense is game changing, his rebounding is, dare I say, great at times (look at the offensive rebounds), his activity/aggression is off the charts, his IQ is high, his play is unselfish, his offensive game appears to have a hugely bright future, and on and on.
I have not been this excited about a Knick in... my whole adult life, really, this is it right here. (Since the 80's)
And we also have a little bonus plan with Grant, I look forward to this smart cat developing with KP, what a great PG for us.
+1 I couldn't have said that any better. I would only include Gallo. Fisher is in a great spot with this roster and a GM like Phil. If he can only get out of his own way and simply play the best combo of talent regardless of seniority or pay.
bigbasketballs wrote:fishmike wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:fishmike wrote:And I fully expect KP to be an amazing scorer, and one who pads a gaudy scoring total with 3s. Learn to play inside first, thats all I am saying. Learn to dominate around the paint. Skinny strong fast long guys are nightmares to guard. Exhasting. Let KP drive opposing bigs... then when they are so focused on setting up in the post they forget.. drain drain drain... let KP drain em. Chicken and egg. I see sitting on the perimeter at his size a terrible habit at this point. Did that shit with 6'10 Gallo the first.
Dude is barely 20 playing the first 100 minutes of his NBA career.
Concern over his habits and where he takes shots is just ridiculously premature. His game will evolve and improve over YEARS if he is a good-to-great one.
We really worried about its evolution before his first Thanksgiving as a Knick?
good call. Why coach him at all? Im sure if he wants to get better he can read one of Phil's books.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. From my responses you've correctly interpreted me to mean don't coach him at all.
Extreme exaggeration is a tell-tale sign of concession, without the courage of actually conceding.
And none of it will have the effect of distracting from the fact a component of your argument was that his percentage was .200 after 15 attempts.
go run with that... and welcome back splat. You have really been missed.
CrushAlot wrote:
I just can't wait until the end of both offseasons over the next 2 years when the strength, explosion and familiarity with league set in. WATCH OUT
CrushAlot wrote:
Anyone wanna bet how many of these "statistical groups" he joins the first month? LOL
The kid is exciting to watch. I am looking forward to when he gets that outside shot hitting at a higher %.
Think they are already guarding him tight. Inside and Outside, I'm good with him doing it all.
I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up
KP has blown my mind with how different he looks rebounding from how he looked this summer!!! I can't remember ever seeing such a massive change in so short a period of time. I'm hoping the Knicks spend just a bit more time working on getting him the ball in prime scoring positions. He's being patient on offense but I feel there are tons of missed scoring opportunities they can create for him.
Just knowing some of the actions in the Triangle that we haven't really used yet. I can only guess it's just gonna take more time. I do like how Jerian and Gallo work with KP! Doesn't happen enough. Same with Melo n KP! They had some nice plays but just don't do it enough for my taste.
CrushAlot wrote:
Damn, should I double check to make sure he's a Knick? One thing that's great is that the Knicks have a decent amount of draft picks in the coming years and cap room to build around Porzingis and Grant. Haven't been in this position in decades.
CrushAlot wrote:
Nice, still believe LA made a great pick. Russell looks to be the box office player that LA needs and thrives with.
BRIGGS wrote:I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up
Until Fisher plays him at center, you better close your eyes. That freight train is coming down that lane everygame.....either for a dunk or a pull up. But one thing is for sure....hes no Bargnani.
BRIGGS wrote:I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up
you should just keep quiet if you have nothing smart to add. How about putting some effort into you stupid argument?
I have no idea why you get a free pass.
Porzingis's stats in Europe seem to support him at least attempting to be a 3pt threat in the NBA. His first season, he went 5/23, not great. But then he went 13/27 and followed that with 17/37 for 3s. Yeah, those stats were in U18 and Eurocup (for Seville) but he did get a lot better after his first season and if he was shooting 3s like that in college, you might expect him to continue shooting 3s. He's shooting .211 right now (3/17), which sucks, but I'd guess he'll get better, based on his Euro stats.
