Knicks · KP has looked like a really good nBA player from 12 feet and in (page 5)

Porzingis's stats in Europe seem to support him at least attempting to be a 3pt threat in the NBA. His first season, he went 5/23, not great. But then he went 13/27 and followed that with 17/37 for 3s. Yeah, those stats were in U18 and Eurocup (for Seville) but he did get a lot better after his first season and if he was shooting 3s like that in college, you might expect him to continue shooting 3s. He's shooting .211 right now (3/17), which sucks, but I'd guess he'll get better, based on his Euro stats.

NumberTwoPencil wrote:Porzingis's stats in Europe seem to support him at least attempting to be a 3pt threat in the NBA. His first season, he went 5/23, not great. But then he went 13/27 and followed that with 17/37 for 3s. Yeah, those stats were in U18 and Eurocup (for Seville) but he did get a lot better after his first season and if he was shooting 3s like that in college, you might expect him to continue shooting 3s. He's shooting .211 right now (3/17), which sucks, but I'd guess he'll get better, based on his Euro stats.

He's bad right now from 3 because of the physical impact of playing against US athletic players. Once he gets stronger and gains more experience, while adjusting to the speed of the NBA, his 3pt numbers will go back up again, regardless of how many threads BRIGGS and fishmike create. This guy is something special. He hasn't even scratched the surface yet.

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up

you should just keep quiet if you have nothing smart to add. How about putting some effort into you stupid argument?

I have no idea why you get a free pass.

I'll tell you why. Because when you play a certain way the read on you becomes set a some point. We know that he has the 3. But to open that up that's where the mid range and driving the ball comes in. When the scouting report says " don't let him near the basket" how many more of his 3 pointers will be unguarded? It strategical thinking showing its influence.

ramtour420 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up

you should just keep quiet if you have nothing smart to add. How about putting some effort into you stupid argument?

I have no idea why you get a free pass.

I'll tell you why. Because when you play a certain way the read on you becomes set a some point. We know that he has the 3. But to open that up that's where the mid range and driving the ball comes in. When the scouting report says " don't let him near the basket" how many more of his 3 pointers will be unguarded? It strategical thinking showing its influence.

where did you see me say that he should not take shots from everywhere? If anything, I keep saying to make sure that he is not one dimensional and that we should not stifle any part of his game.

Whats cool about him is that he has the IQ to calibrate his game based on what works and what does not. The kid is a true student of the game.

No sane person will/should ever tell him to only shoot the ball from 12 feet in.

At this point it's time to just enjoy watching this kid play and develop his game. We've been waiting for a player like this for so long. It's so much fun watching KP do his thing and impact the game so early in his rookie season. Nothing that SAS can say now except give respect.

nixluva wrote:At this point it's time to just enjoy watching this kid play and develop his game. We've been waiting for a player like this for so long. It's so much fun watching KP do his thing and impact the game so early in his rookie season. Nothing that SAS can say now except give respect.

The difference when the Knicks got Ewing was you knew Ewing was a monster from his play at Georgetown. Kristaps was a bit of an unknown. He has been fantastic.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:At this point it's time to just enjoy watching this kid play and develop his game. We've been waiting for a player like this for so long. It's so much fun watching KP do his thing and impact the game so early in his rookie season. Nothing that SAS can say now except give respect.

The difference when the Knicks got Ewing was you knew Ewing was a monster from his play at Georgetown. Kristaps was a bit of an unknown. He has been fantastic.

Especially when we know he's not physically strong yet. Still he is imposing his will on games so early in his career. From summer to now is such a drastic improvement.

mreinman wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up

you should just keep quiet if you have nothing smart to add. How about putting some effort into you stupid argument?s

I have no idea why you get a free pass.

I'll tell you why. Because when you play a certain way the read on you becomes set a some point. We know that he has the 3. But to open that up that's where the mid range and driving the ball comes in. When the scouting report says " don't let him near the basket" how many more of his 3 pointers will be unguarded? It strategical thinking showing its influence.

where did you see me say that he should not take shots from everywhere? If anything, I keep saying to make sure that he is not one dimensional and that we should not stifle any part of his game.

Whats cool about him is that he has the IQ to calibrate his game based on what works and what does not. The kid is a true student of the game.

No sane person will/should ever tell him to only shoot the ball from 12 feet in.

Tim Duncan won 5 championships playing 14 feet and in. The big shot he hit tonight was a 12 footer he stepped into with touch. Why on Earth would i want my 7-3 guy focusing past 14 feet? Like I said before a 3 in rhythm is a fair shot once or twice a game--but he has all the characteristics of what Tim Duncan did in his career --especially when he builds his base and core strength. He may only need 5-10 pounds of additional weight

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up

you should just keep quiet if you have nothing smart to add. How about putting some effort into you stupid argument?s

I have no idea why you get a free pass.

I'll tell you why. Because when you play a certain way the read on you becomes set a some point. We know that he has the 3. But to open that up that's where the mid range and driving the ball comes in. When the scouting report says " don't let him near the basket" how many more of his 3 pointers will be unguarded? It strategical thinking showing its influence.

where did you see me say that he should not take shots from everywhere? If anything, I keep saying to make sure that he is not one dimensional and that we should not stifle any part of his game.

Whats cool about him is that he has the IQ to calibrate his game based on what works and what does not. The kid is a true student of the game.

No sane person will/should ever tell him to only shoot the ball from 12 feet in.

Tim Duncan won 5 championships playing 14 feet and in. The big shot he hit tonight was a 12 footer he stepped into with touch. Why on Earth would i want my 7-3 guy focusing past 14 feet? Like I said before a 3 in rhythm is a fair shot once or twice a game--but he has all the characteristics of what Tim Duncan did in his career --especially when he builds his base and core strength. He may only need 5-10 pounds of additional weight

You can also say that his game as much more diversified and more in the form of a Dirk.

I only see him taking 3pointers where he is completely wide open. Nothing forced, passes up those shots early in the 24 second clock.

KP doesn't have the strength yet to stake out the post, and quite frankly, Rolo and Melo have occupied most the post plays in the triangle, with KP diving to FT line or 15 footer or spreading floor out to 3.

I'm not complaining. Yet.

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up

you should just keep quiet if you have nothing smart to add. How about putting some effort into you stupid argument?s

I have no idea why you get a free pass.

I'll tell you why. Because when you play a certain way the read on you becomes set a some point. We know that he has the 3. But to open that up that's where the mid range and driving the ball comes in. When the scouting report says " don't let him near the basket" how many more of his 3 pointers will be unguarded? It strategical thinking showing its influence.

where did you see me say that he should not take shots from everywhere? If anything, I keep saying to make sure that he is not one dimensional and that we should not stifle any part of his game.

Whats cool about him is that he has the IQ to calibrate his game based on what works and what does not. The kid is a true student of the game.

No sane person will/should ever tell him to only shoot the ball from 12 feet in.

Tim Duncan won 5 championships playing 14 feet and in. The big shot he hit tonight was a 12 footer he stepped into with touch. Why on Earth would i want my 7-3 guy focusing past 14 feet? Like I said before a 3 in rhythm is a fair shot once or twice a game--but he has all the characteristics of what Tim Duncan did in his career --especially when he builds his base and core strength. He may only need 5-10 pounds of additional weight

and again, of course, you are dead wrong! If Duncan was able to shoot the 3 and if he played in todays game, of course he would shoot the 3.

again, what do you think that the top players shoot from 10-16 feet? 40% ish?

Dirk was much more efficient that Duncan and that was because he had much more range.

Can we please put an end to your silliness?

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up

you should just keep quiet if you have nothing smart to add. How about putting some effort into you stupid argument?s

I have no idea why you get a free pass.

I'll tell you why. Because when you play a certain way the read on you becomes set a some point. We know that he has the 3. But to open that up that's where the mid range and driving the ball comes in. When the scouting report says " don't let him near the basket" how many more of his 3 pointers will be unguarded? It strategical thinking showing its influence.

where did you see me say that he should not take shots from everywhere? If anything, I keep saying to make sure that he is not one dimensional and that we should not stifle any part of his game.

Whats cool about him is that he has the IQ to calibrate his game based on what works and what does not. The kid is a true student of the game.

No sane person will/should ever tell him to only shoot the ball from 12 feet in.

Tim Duncan won 5 championships playing 14 feet and in. The big shot he hit tonight was a 12 footer he stepped into with touch. Why on Earth would i want my 7-3 guy focusing past 14 feet? Like I said before a 3 in rhythm is a fair shot once or twice a game--but he has all the characteristics of what Tim Duncan did in his career --especially when he builds his base and core strength. He may only need 5-10 pounds of additional weight

and again, of course, you are dead wrong! If Duncan was able to shoot the 3 and if he played in todays game, of course he would shoot the 3.

again, what do you think that the top players shoot from 10-16 feet? 40% ish?

Dirk was much more efficient that Duncan and that was because he had much more range.

Can we please put an end to your silliness?

On the other hand, KP shooting has sucked, especially from 3point land. And if that continues, he will have to shore that up, and that starts with sticking to what works and moving outward from there.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up

you should just keep quiet if you have nothing smart to add. How about putting some effort into you stupid argument?s

I have no idea why you get a free pass.

I'll tell you why. Because when you play a certain way the read on you becomes set a some point. We know that he has the 3. But to open that up that's where the mid range and driving the ball comes in. When the scouting report says " don't let him near the basket" how many more of his 3 pointers will be unguarded? It strategical thinking showing its influence.

where did you see me say that he should not take shots from everywhere? If anything, I keep saying to make sure that he is not one dimensional and that we should not stifle any part of his game.

Whats cool about him is that he has the IQ to calibrate his game based on what works and what does not. The kid is a true student of the game.

No sane person will/should ever tell him to only shoot the ball from 12 feet in.

Tim Duncan won 5 championships playing 14 feet and in. The big shot he hit tonight was a 12 footer he stepped into with touch. Why on Earth would i want my 7-3 guy focusing past 14 feet? Like I said before a 3 in rhythm is a fair shot once or twice a game--but he has all the characteristics of what Tim Duncan did in his career --especially when he builds his base and core strength. He may only need 5-10 pounds of additional weight

and again, of course, you are dead wrong! If Duncan was able to shoot the 3 and if he played in todays game, of course he would shoot the 3.

again, what do you think that the top players shoot from 10-16 feet? 40% ish?

Dirk was much more efficient that Duncan and that was because he had much more range.

Can we please put an end to your silliness?

On the other hand, KP shooting has sucked, especially from 3point land. And if that continues, he will have to shore that up, and that starts with sticking to what works and moving outward from there.

very possible but we are gonna give him a lot of time to get that going. Dirk shot 20% from three as a rookie.

The shot is there and it will become efficient once he gets more comfortable. He is not missing by much.

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up

you should just keep quiet if you have nothing smart to add. How about putting some effort into you stupid argument?s

I have no idea why you get a free pass.

I'll tell you why. Because when you play a certain way the read on you becomes set a some point. We know that he has the 3. But to open that up that's where the mid range and driving the ball comes in. When the scouting report says " don't let him near the basket" how many more of his 3 pointers will be unguarded? It strategical thinking showing its influence.

where did you see me say that he should not take shots from everywhere? If anything, I keep saying to make sure that he is not one dimensional and that we should not stifle any part of his game.

Whats cool about him is that he has the IQ to calibrate his game based on what works and what does not. The kid is a true student of the game.

No sane person will/should ever tell him to only shoot the ball from 12 feet in.

Tim Duncan won 5 championships playing 14 feet and in. The big shot he hit tonight was a 12 footer he stepped into with touch. Why on Earth would i want my 7-3 guy focusing past 14 feet? Like I said before a 3 in rhythm is a fair shot once or twice a game--but he has all the characteristics of what Tim Duncan did in his career --especially when he builds his base and core strength. He may only need 5-10 pounds of additional weight

and again, of course, you are dead wrong! If Duncan was able to shoot the 3 and if he played in todays game, of course he would shoot the 3.

again, what do you think that the top players shoot from 10-16 feet? 40% ish?

Dirk was much more efficient that Duncan and that was because he had much more range.

Can we please put an end to your silliness?

You're way off. There is no good big man in this game that shoots an abundance of 3's or hangs behind the line with the possible exception of K Love(who is not the most efficient player in the NBA) Guys like Blake Griffin Tim Duncan Lamarcus Aldridge Pau Gasol etc.. these guys do not shoots 3's-- guards and SF's are the better 3 point shooters in the NBA and it makes the most sense. Why take away a big players advantage???? Id take Tim Duncan's type of game over a Kevin Love game any day.

There is absolutely no need to rush KP's development on the offensive end until his body matures enough to take hits from these NBA bigs who are built like freightrains. You want to protect him from serious injuries. He is coming along just fine in his development. Father along then any of us could've even imagine

I'm excited with the way KP has played so far.

I think a lot of this fretting is over nothing. This kid is not going to ever just camp out at the three point line. We've already seen him use the three and then pump fake to set up a drive against Washington.

Also, not sure if anyone mentioned this and I apologize if so, but Dirk shot 20% from 3 his entire first season. Next season he was at 37%. It's about rhythm, reps, knowing when to take the three and knowing when to pass on it.

I think this is a non-issue. Kid knows the game well enough to know he'd be wasting his contribution to the team camping on the three point line.

Also, one further thing - a lot of those putback dunks have come with KP flashing in from way outside the paint. He is able to crash the boards even if he is setup way outside.

Yea we brought up Dirk and how he was thought of as a Euro-bust after his struggles rookie year. Don Nelson even apologized to everyone for putting to much pressure on him. Don Nelson clearly saw the potential when he drafted him. KP is special and unique because he is blend of Dirk, Gasol, KG, Camby, AK47 with Shawn Bradley's height and ability to block and alter shots

And yes you are right Crzy. A lot of his points around the basket come from crashing the boards even when he's out on the perimeter. His body is ready to take a pounding inside. Camby used to do the same thing his first few years. Even in 99. He would hang out on the perimeter and crash the boards. Both he and KP were rail thin. Camby eventually got stronger and was able to hold his position to guard centers in the post. Prior to that he was just a great weak side shotblocker. Remember? It takes time

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up

you should just keep quiet if you have nothing smart to add. How about putting some effort into you stupid argument?s

I have no idea why you get a free pass.

I'll tell you why. Because when you play a certain way the read on you becomes set a some point. We know that he has the 3. But to open that up that's where the mid range and driving the ball comes in. When the scouting report says " don't let him near the basket" how many more of his 3 pointers will be unguarded? It strategical thinking showing its influence.

where did you see me say that he should not take shots from everywhere? If anything, I keep saying to make sure that he is not one dimensional and that we should not stifle any part of his game.

Whats cool about him is that he has the IQ to calibrate his game based on what works and what does not. The kid is a true student of the game.

No sane person will/should ever tell him to only shoot the ball from 12 feet in.

Tim Duncan won 5 championships playing 14 feet and in. The big shot he hit tonight was a 12 footer he stepped into with touch. Why on Earth would i want my 7-3 guy focusing past 14 feet? Like I said before a 3 in rhythm is a fair shot once or twice a game--but he has all the characteristics of what Tim Duncan did in his career --especially when he builds his base and core strength. He may only need 5-10 pounds of additional weight

and again, of course, you are dead wrong! If Duncan was able to shoot the 3 and if he played in todays game, of course he would shoot the 3.

again, what do you think that the top players shoot from 10-16 feet? 40% ish?

Dirk was much more efficient that Duncan and that was because he had much more range.

Can we please put an end to your silliness?

You're way off. There is no good big man in this game that shoots an abundance of 3's or hangs behind the line with the possible exception of K Love(who is not the most efficient player in the NBA) Guys like Blake Griffin Tim Duncan Lamarcus Aldridge Pau Gasol etc.. these guys do not shoots 3's-- guards and SF's are the better 3 point shooters in the NBA and it makes the most sense. Why take away a big players advantage???? Id take Tim Duncan's type of game over a Kevin Love game any day.

No you're way off.

WTF??? How many times do I have to say that I DON'T WANT HIM TO HANG OUT BEHIND THE 3 POINT LINE??? I want him to play everywhere EVERYWHERE EVERYWHERE! Where ever he play that is efficient for him and that opens up opps for the rest of the team.

Anthony Davis shoots 3's so there!

Aldridge is NOT efficient (please do some research).

Love has been for the most part efficient but what he doing now is also opening up the lane, do you not see that?

Blake griffin is developing a 3. That is why he is shooting 37% of his shots between 16-23 feet. He is going to be a great 3 point shooter in 2 years.

Do you not see that all bigs are starting/trying to shoot 3's? Can you not see how much that opens things up?

You are letting the game pass you by.

BRIGGS wrote:I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up

His so-far signature put-back dunks are a protect of him having started the play on the perimeter. Because he's so mobile and and can cover ground so quickly (and as we now know has nose for the ball), when the shot goes up opposing front court players can't put a body on him, because he isn't in the paint.

But yeah, let's change that.

bigbasketballs wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up

His so-far signature put-back dunks are a protect of him having started the play on the perimeter. Because he's so mobile and and can cover ground so quickly (and as we now know has nose for the ball), when the shot goes up opposing front court players can't put a body on him, because he isn't in the paint.

But yeah, let's change that.

and he shouldn't be in the paint. The game today is to take your bigs out of the paint so that players can drive the ball (and kick)

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I just think his play from 12-14 feet is what will make him a star. His touch length rebounding. I think I mentioned on another post Tim Duncan player 12-14 feet and won 5 championships could've had 7-8. I don't mind kp taking a good 1 now and then but I'd rather him stay in that Duncan range. The one thing I fear with kp is injury and it will be hairy ifhe starts driving from 26 feet-- that's the way you rip your knee up

you should just keep quiet if you have nothing smart to add. How about putting some effort into you stupid argument?s

I have no idea why you get a free pass.

I'll tell you why. Because when you play a certain way the read on you becomes set a some point. We know that he has the 3. But to open that up that's where the mid range and driving the ball comes in. When the scouting report says " don't let him near the basket" how many more of his 3 pointers will be unguarded? It strategical thinking showing its influence.

where did you see me say that he should not take shots from everywhere? If anything, I keep saying to make sure that he is not one dimensional and that we should not stifle any part of his game.

Whats cool about him is that he has the IQ to calibrate his game based on what works and what does not. The kid is a true student of the game.

No sane person will/should ever tell him to only shoot the ball from 12 feet in.

Tim Duncan won 5 championships playing 14 feet and in. The big shot he hit tonight was a 12 footer he stepped into with touch. Why on Earth would i want my 7-3 guy focusing past 14 feet? Like I said before a 3 in rhythm is a fair shot once or twice a game--

He's taking 3 a game, one more than you recommend.

You have a solution in desperate search of a problem.