I like Quinn, but he should come off the bench, which is better for him and the team definitely.
GustavBahler wrote: Hatey McHater.
Well this one sure came out of nowhere.
Surprised holfresh could even continue posting after being hit with this moniker!
How many points in the paint are we giving up w Lopez in there? Seems high to me
BRIGGS wrote:How many points in the paint are we giving up w Lopez in there? Seems high to me
if you would have touted robin lopez when he was drafted you would be be gaga every time he took a sh1t.
holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:franco12 wrote:herkyJerky wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Robin Lopez doesn't seem to want to rebound the ball and o quinn has
Maybe you should look at KP's rebounding numbers and do some math lol.
Really? lol!
So every lose ball that Robin could have gotten, KP got instead?
Robin boxes out his man and usually another allowing his teammates to rebound. Sometimes it appears he is boxing out three guys. It makes sense that KP's rebounding numbers are so much higher now playing with Lopez. It also helped Aldridge. I like O'Quinn off the bench. He gives up some height to most starters but in the bench role has been very effective. I also think Lopez fits really well with KP.
I have never heard more nonsense in my life..He boxes out his own man??..Great rebounders boxes out their man and grab the rebound themselves..It is impossible to box out three guys unless you are holding all of them...Impossible!!..You can't control the rebound to your own teammate..Lopez rebounding numbers also increased when he joined Portland, does Aldridge get the credit for boxing out his guy too??
He needs to give more effort rebounding period and stop making excuses..I have never seen anyone get credit for rebounds they didn't grab like Lopez..And he even promotes the narrative..
you should have a look at this article about the sort of rebounds lopez excels at, as opposed to bitch rebounds.
http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/07/06/robi...
So why can't he just grab those "bitch rebounds" and make us all happy...A seven footer grabbing 4 rebounds in 26 mins a game, same as Melo's assist output per game...
the most physically demanding basketball drill outside of suicides is the rebounding drill where coach puts the mini ring on the basket and you are trained to box out your man to the point of making sure the ball actually hits the ground. boxing out is a basketball skill and if lopez does not possess the hops to actually box out AND snare a board then at least he gives a teammate a better opportunity to get a rebound.
his floor impact is threefold: boxing out his man and getting a contested board, rim protection, and making passes in traffic in the pick and roll.
when he does not have floor impact is when he is falling short in these three functions.
the proof is in comparing last year to this year vis a vis the number of rebounds the knicks have versus the opponents. last season they were outrebounded by around 3 a game while this year the knicks are ahead, small sample size notwithstanding, by about 1 rebound a game.
three rebounds a game in favor of the opponent means either preventing a knicks possession or getting an extra possession. either way when you are outrebounded by even one or two boards it can be a real factor between winning and losing, especially when many games are decided by 5 points or less.
think about it.
dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:franco12 wrote:herkyJerky wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Robin Lopez doesn't seem to want to rebound the ball and o quinn has
Maybe you should look at KP's rebounding numbers and do some math lol.
Really? lol!
So every lose ball that Robin could have gotten, KP got instead?
Robin boxes out his man and usually another allowing his teammates to rebound. Sometimes it appears he is boxing out three guys. It makes sense that KP's rebounding numbers are so much higher now playing with Lopez. It also helped Aldridge. I like O'Quinn off the bench. He gives up some height to most starters but in the bench role has been very effective. I also think Lopez fits really well with KP.
I have never heard more nonsense in my life..He boxes out his own man??..Great rebounders boxes out their man and grab the rebound themselves..It is impossible to box out three guys unless you are holding all of them...Impossible!!..You can't control the rebound to your own teammate..Lopez rebounding numbers also increased when he joined Portland, does Aldridge get the credit for boxing out his guy too??
He needs to give more effort rebounding period and stop making excuses..I have never seen anyone get credit for rebounds they didn't grab like Lopez..And he even promotes the narrative..
you should have a look at this article about the sort of rebounds lopez excels at, as opposed to bitch rebounds.
http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/07/06/robi...
So why can't he just grab those "bitch rebounds" and make us all happy...A seven footer grabbing 4 rebounds in 26 mins a game, same as Melo's assist output per game...
the most physically demanding basketball drill outside of suicides is the rebounding drill where coach puts the mini ring on the basket and you are trained to box out your man to the point of making sure the ball actually hits the ground. boxing out is a basketball skill and if lopez does not possess the hops to actually box out AND snare a board then at least he gives a teammate a better opportunity to get a rebound.
his floor impact is threefold: boxing out his man and getting a contested board, rim protection, and making passes in traffic in the pick and roll.
when he does not have floor impact is when he is falling short in these three functions.
the proof is in comparing last year to this year vis a vis the number of rebounds the knicks have versus the opponents. last season they were outrebounded by around 3 a game while this year the knicks are ahead, small sample size notwithstanding, by about 1 rebound a game.
three rebounds a game in favor of the opponent means either preventing a knicks possession or getting an extra possession. either way when you are outrebounded by even one or two boards it can be a real factor between winning and losing, especially when many games are decided by 5 points or less.
think about it.
Compare against last year's team??..There were about 10 guys on that team who didn't belong in the NBA..
U do know that boxing out your own man isn't a talent right?..Boxing out your man is now a talent..GFOH..
holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:franco12 wrote:herkyJerky wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Robin Lopez doesn't seem to want to rebound the ball and o quinn has
Maybe you should look at KP's rebounding numbers and do some math lol.
Really? lol!
So every lose ball that Robin could have gotten, KP got instead?
Robin boxes out his man and usually another allowing his teammates to rebound. Sometimes it appears he is boxing out three guys. It makes sense that KP's rebounding numbers are so much higher now playing with Lopez. It also helped Aldridge. I like O'Quinn off the bench. He gives up some height to most starters but in the bench role has been very effective. I also think Lopez fits really well with KP.
I have never heard more nonsense in my life..He boxes out his own man??..Great rebounders boxes out their man and grab the rebound themselves..It is impossible to box out three guys unless you are holding all of them...Impossible!!..You can't control the rebound to your own teammate..Lopez rebounding numbers also increased when he joined Portland, does Aldridge get the credit for boxing out his guy too??
He needs to give more effort rebounding period and stop making excuses..I have never seen anyone get credit for rebounds they didn't grab like Lopez..And he even promotes the narrative..
you should have a look at this article about the sort of rebounds lopez excels at, as opposed to bitch rebounds.
http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/07/06/robi...
So why can't he just grab those "bitch rebounds" and make us all happy...A seven footer grabbing 4 rebounds in 26 mins a game, same as Melo's assist output per game...
the most physically demanding basketball drill outside of suicides is the rebounding drill where coach puts the mini ring on the basket and you are trained to box out your man to the point of making sure the ball actually hits the ground. boxing out is a basketball skill and if lopez does not possess the hops to actually box out AND snare a board then at least he gives a teammate a better opportunity to get a rebound.
his floor impact is threefold: boxing out his man and getting a contested board, rim protection, and making passes in traffic in the pick and roll.
when he does not have floor impact is when he is falling short in these three functions.
the proof is in comparing last year to this year vis a vis the number of rebounds the knicks have versus the opponents. last season they were outrebounded by around 3 a game while this year the knicks are ahead, small sample size notwithstanding, by about 1 rebound a game.
three rebounds a game in favor of the opponent means either preventing a knicks possession or getting an extra possession. either way when you are outrebounded by even one or two boards it can be a real factor between winning and losing, especially when many games are decided by 5 points or less.
think about it.
Compare against last year's team??..There were about 10 guys on that team who didn't belong in the NBA..
U do know that boxing out your own man isn't a talent right?..Boxing out your man is now a talent..GFOH..
oh it's a talent alright. it's how many earth-bound players manage to be effective. it's called getting your ass on your man. (please spare us the cheap and snide sexual remarks, mmk?) if you can't get the rebound then the next best thing os to make sure your assignment doesn't either. i know these nuances are lost on you but that's your problem... along with not actually interpreting the game properly. this anti-lopez thing goes hand in hand with your "let melo freelance" hoooey....
but i get it now-- just because you weren't coached properly-- if at all-- doesn't mean it isn't a skill. clyde mentions it every game: boxing out is a lost art. you want to argue the point i hear there's a restaurant he owns and maybe you can take the greatest knick of all time to task....
He is so great at boxing out that opposing starting centers have out rebounded him 48-25 this season...First game of the year Monroe 14 RoLo 2, second game Monroe 7, RoLo 2..So who is doing the boxing out again?
RoLo had one game this year over 4 rebounds..
holfresh wrote:He is so great at boxing out that opposing starting centers have out rebounded him 48-25 this season...First game of the year Monroe 14 RoLo 2, second game Monroe 7, RoLo 2..So who is doing the boxing out again?RoLo had one game this year over 4 rebounds..
you idiot i gave you the numbers already. there are people who get paid money to track these things. you're like a rabid dog chasing his own tail.
dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:He is so great at boxing out that opposing starting centers have out rebounded him 48-25 this season...First game of the year Monroe 14 RoLo 2, second game Monroe 7, RoLo 2..So who is doing the boxing out again?RoLo had one game this year over 4 rebounds..
you idiot i gave you the numbers already. there are people who get paid money to track these things. you're like a rabid dog chasing his own tail.
Yeah that's right, actual rebounding numbers don't count anymore..As mreinman would say, rebounds are stupid..Andre Drummond is an idiot..
Guys are being paid to track these things, rebounding statisticians work for free...
holfresh wrote:
U do know that boxing out your own man isn't a talent right?..Boxing out your man is now a talent..GFOH..
Its a fundamental basketball skill that has seemingly been forgotten or never learned by a large number of players in this league.
You make it sound as if everyone boxes out as a matter of course during a game. If you look at the KP put back that you posted, only 1 Buck out of 5 was actually boxing out, or even looking around to see if there were any Knicks in the area.
If everything had gone right for the Bucks at the end of the sequence the guy boxing out would have been taking out the only Knick in the immediate vicinity of the basket, somebody would have bodied up on KP, and one of the other Bucks would have gotten a gift rebound.
It is not something that comes "natural" to some players, and the inconsistencies account for offensive rebounds. Lopez has a wide base, gets low, and puts his arms out wide, frequently pushing back into whoever is behind him. Want to call it a "skill" instead of a "talent," fine, but it is still something that many players don't do well, or do only on an occasional basis.
WaltLongmire wrote:holfresh wrote:
U do know that boxing out your own man isn't a talent right?..Boxing out your man is now a talent..GFOH..
Its a fundamental basketball skill that has seemingly been forgotten or never learned by a large number of players in this league.You make it sound as if everyone boxes out as a matter of course during a game. If you look at the KP put back that you posted, only 1 Buck out of 5 was actually boxing out, or even looking around to see if there were any Knicks in the area.
If everything had gone right for the Bucks at the end of the sequence the guy boxing out would have been taking out the only Knick in the immediate vicinity of the basket, somebody would have bodied up on KP, and one of the other Bucks would have gotten a gift rebound.
It is not something that comes "natural" to some players, and the inconsistencies account for offensive rebounds. Lopez has a wide base, gets low, and puts his arms out wide, frequently pushing back into whoever is behind him. Want to call it a "skill" instead of a "talent," fine, but it is still something that many players don't do well, or do only on an occasional basis.
Well his opponents are appearently getting lower and wider than him because they are all out rebounding him..He isn't boxing out his man, maybe he is boxing out PG and SG..
I can't believe this is even a discussion..
WaltLongmire wrote:holfresh wrote:
U do know that boxing out your own man isn't a talent right?..Boxing out your man is now a talent..GFOH..
Its a fundamental basketball skill that has seemingly been forgotten or never learned by a large number of players in this league.You make it sound as if everyone boxes out as a matter of course during a game. If you look at the KP put back that you posted, only 1 Buck out of 5 was actually boxing out, or even looking around to see if there were any Knicks in the area.
If everything had gone right for the Bucks at the end of the sequence the guy boxing out would have been taking out the only Knick in the immediate vicinity of the basket, somebody would have bodied up on KP, and one of the other Bucks would have gotten a gift rebound.
It is not something that comes "natural" to some players, and the inconsistencies account for offensive rebounds. Lopez has a wide base, gets low, and puts his arms out wide, frequently pushing back into whoever is behind him. Want to call it a "skill" instead of a "talent," fine, but it is still something that many players don't do well, or do only on an occasional basis.
YUP! Also it's true that RoLo sometimes does actually box out more than one guy because of the things you just pointed out. His looking for men to box out and basically pushing guys out of the way or getting wide feeling with his arms and holding guys off. I've seen him do it.
RoLo is the least of our concerns. He's not a star but he's a good big for this team. Not a lot of guys who LOVE all the banging and fighting in the trenches.
I'm just amazed you guys have zero qualms making sheet up..Its a complete joke..
holfresh wrote:I'm just amazed you guys have zero qualms making sheet up..Its a complete joke..
You are so F'n annoying! Perhaps you just are not paying enough attention.
This wasn't a thread to bash Lopez but rather I d like to see what we have in Oquinn as a starter. Robin is what he is a 10 point 5 rebound 26 minute guy. I think it's fair to say Lopez isn't the best rebounder for his size. He does block out well but that's only 1 part or rebounding. Also I didn't think he was a great defensive presence last game despite playing some decent 1-1 stuff. I just have to wonder if Oquinn is a 15-10 starter who plays with more physical tenacity than RL If Oquinn is superior why would we want to settle? I'm sure the Knicks coaching staff was not pleased with Lopez overall game against the Bucks they did kill us in the paint that 1 st q which was the game
Gotta agree with Holfresh, Lopez has been an awful rebounder here. I recall when Porzingis was boxing out well in preseason but not getting the rebounds, and guess what he did? Put in the effort to concentrate on getting those boxed out rebounding chances. Lopez should do the same, and it's rather silly for anyone to defend such poor efforts especially when the opposing centers are outrebounding him. He's not winning his matchup and his team isnt winning the game. Imagine if he gets outrebounded by Hibbert. Hope the team wins despite this.
CrushAlot wrote:franco12 wrote:herkyJerky wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Robin Lopez doesn't seem to want to rebound the ball and o quinn has
Maybe you should look at KP's rebounding numbers and do some math lol.
Really? lol!
So every lose ball that Robin could have gotten, KP got instead?
Robin boxes out his man and usually another allowing his teammates to rebound. Sometimes it appears he is boxing out three guys. It makes sense that KP's rebounding numbers are so much higher now playing with Lopez. It also helped Aldridge. I like O'Quinn off the bench. He gives up some height to most starters but in the bench role has been very effective. I also think Lopez fits really well with KP.
Yeah I see no reason to switch them
BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:I just think there is a good possibility that Oquinn is simply better than Lopez.
Or it could be that OQ is being put in the perfect position to be very successful in the minutes he has been given.
He doesn't have another big to protect he's on his own yet his play has been excellent. I'd like to think he's earned a chance to play 30 minutes
My hope is at the deadline someone needs a center and we move Robin for some picks.
knickscity wrote:Gotta agree with Holfresh, Lopez has been an awful rebounder here. I recall when Porzingis was boxing out well in preseason but not getting the rebounds, and guess what he did? Put in the effort to concentrate on getting those boxed out rebounding chances. Lopez should do the same, and it's rather silly for anyone to defend such poor efforts especially when the opposing centers are outrebounding him. He's not winning his matchup and his team isnt winning the game. Imagine if he gets outrebounded by Hibbert. Hope the team wins despite this.
Not saying that Lopez has been great overall, because he hasn't, but if this is your takeaway from his performance in the first six games you're either 1) not watching the games, only looking at the stats 2) not understanding what you're seeing when watching (i.e. Lopez often clearing out opponents under the board and letting others get the actual rebound).
Lopez's shot has looked awful at times, but his effort has been there. He is also a physical force under the glass, in constant struggle against the beefiest opponents, a job that if not done results in the Knicks being physically dominated throughout the game. It's revealing (about you) that you try equate his low rebounding numbers to effort. The effort is there. If you're watching, Rolo obviously prioritizing taking his man out of the play and doesn't care about padding his rebounding stats.
I think it should be noted that Monroe only had 8 pts. Sure it's disappointing on the surface that RoLo only grabbed 2 Rebs but he was clearly focused on battling Monroe. For the game NY had 43 Rebs and Mil 41. The Bucks are a very long and athletic team. We didn't lose because of RoLo that's for sure.
