that's why the bench is in flux, losing leads, no running, stagnant offense..you gotta be kidding me playing guys like dwill (4 min) and seraphin (3 min)..not a good look.
Fisher got a break against the rapts playing 14 guys, but cmon man, no coach plays 12 to 14 guys a night, i don't care how deep your roster is. Even if we won the game against the bobcats, i still would feel the same, its really ridiculous
seraphin and dwil suck and as many times as you mention them because you are so sure that you know better does not make them not suck.
DWILL was -12 in 4 minutes. That's hard to do.
mreinman wrote:seraphin and dwil suck and as many times as you mention them because you are so sure that you know better does not make them not suck.
Dwill fit well with the second unit(when they played consistent minutes), they ran well and out scored any bench they faced. He does have his solo acts that he seems to think he's in the park, but you have to let him be him, especially when you were winning.
If you cant play him 17 or more minutes, don't play him at all, if you cant play seraphin 15+ minutes, sit his ass.
No team this season has played 12 guys, unless it was a blow out, i watch the box scores every night because i play fantasy..it's the dumbest sht a coach can do
Sambakick wrote:DWILL was -12 in 4 minutes. That's hard to do.
What he said. Knicks1248did you watch the game when DWILL was in. He sucked.
knicks1248 wrote:mreinman wrote:seraphin and dwil suck and as many times as you mention them because you are so sure that you know better does not make them not suck.
Dwill fit well with the second unit(when they played consistent minutes), they ran well and out scored any bench they faced. He does have his solo acts that he seems to think he's in the park, but you have to let him be him, especially when you were winning.
If you cant play him 17 or more minutes, don't play him at all, if you cant play seraphin 15+ minutes, sit his ass.
No team this season has played 12 guys, unless it was a blow out, i watch the box scores every night because i play fantasy..it's the dumbest sht a coach can do
ah ... you play fantasy.
so Dwil should get 17 and Seraphin should play 15 because you decided that they should? Let them be them?
Especially after you cough up a 10 pointlead in your first 4 minutes.
Watch the games. Not the stat line.
babyKnicks wrote:Sambakick wrote:DWILL was -12 in 4 minutes. That's hard to do.
What he said. Knicks1248did you watch the game when DWILL was in. He sucked.
4 minutes..wtf, so no player ever had a bad 4 minute stretch.
Why play him at all. It's not only about what he's doing, it's more about not committing the minutes to 10 players and rolling with them for the game, keeping them in rhythm, and chemistry in tact. If you think building chemistry mean playing guys 2, 3, 4 minutes one night, and 22 minutes the next, where going to pay.
Fisher is way over his head.
Whatever! This is a team that is actually showing massive improvement but because everything isn't fitting with some people's notion of how this should be done it means Fish is in over his head? Basically a stop or one made shot and they win another game! I think the bar is set a bit high.
Knicks have faced a ton of really good to great teams so far. Fish explained what he's trying to do and we won't be able to fully judge it for a good bit further down the road. So far he is getting very good results as this team is giving everyone they play a good run for their money.
lol the same two, shitty posters with the same garbage night after night.
Fisher is still seeing what he has. Amundson, and now Aflalo, are now in play.
Honestly, not to be disrespectful, but some of you guys are clueless about how you build a rotation.
Every day we see new things, both good and bad, from guys on this team, and all of it has to be taken into consideration by the coaching staff...which is more than just Fisher, by the way.
This is essentially a brand new roster, so there is always a period of experimentation, trial and error, and evolution. Add to this the fact that our star is still recovering from surgery, our SG has been injured for most of the young year, and we have a 20 year old phenom who is trying to find out what he can and can't do on the court against superior opponents.
Our guys have played in some tough games and have been more than competitive, so far, and we've done it all against good competition.
What we have in our favor, though, is the fact that all of this is being done despite success limiting factors such as rookie pains, multiple players recovering from injuries, and guys who've never played with each other, who are now playing in a new system under coaches they've never had before.
Ample room for improvement, and I expect Fisher, along with Phil and his coaching staff, will fine tune the rotation as we move along.
knicks1248 wrote:that's why the bench is in flux, losing leads, no running, stagnant offense..you gotta be kidding me playing guys like dwill (4 min) and seraphin (3 min)..not a good look.Fisher got a break against the rapts playing 14 guys, but cmon man, no coach plays 12 to 14 guys a night, i don't care how deep your roster is. Even if we won the game against the bobcats, i still would feel the same, its really ridiculous
Derrick Williams brought another gear to the table. he gets fouled he can drive it to the basket he can make a 3. We havent scored 100 points since w went away from him. Its obvious Fiche hates him.
BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:that's why the bench is in flux, losing leads, no running, stagnant offense..you gotta be kidding me playing guys like dwill (4 min) and seraphin (3 min)..not a good look.Fisher got a break against the rapts playing 14 guys, but cmon man, no coach plays 12 to 14 guys a night, i don't care how deep your roster is. Even if we won the game against the bobcats, i still would feel the same, its really ridiculous
Derrick Williams brought another gear to the table. he gets fouled he can drive it to the basket he can make a 3. We havent scored 100 points since w went away from him. Its obvious Fiche hates him.
So why would Fisher "hate" him? Has to be a reason he's limiting his minutes.
WaltLongmire wrote:Fisher is still seeing what he has. Amundson, and now Aflalo, are now in play.Honestly, not to be disrespectful, but some of you guys are clueless about how you build a rotation.
Every day we see new things, both good and bad, from guys on this team, and all of it has to be taken into consideration by the coaching staff...which is more than just Fisher, by the way.
This is essentially a brand new roster, so there is always a period of experimentation, trial and error, and evolution. Add to this the fact that our star is still recovering from surgery, our SG has been injured for most of the young year, and we have a 20 year old phenom who is trying to find out what he can and can't do on the court against superior opponents.
Our guys have played in some tough games and have been more than competitive, so far, and we've done it all against good competition.
What we have in our favor, though, is the fact that all of this is being done despite success limiting factors such as rookie pains, multiple players recovering from injuries, and guys who've never played with each other, who are now playing in a new system under coaches they've never had before.
Ample room for improvement, and I expect Fisher, along with Phil and his coaching staff, will fine tune the rotation as we move along.
After winning just 17 games last season, Fisher doesn't have the luxury to experiment. Specifically, if he already has a formula that has worked. Grant, Gallo, Williams, Lance, and KO, have been our subs. There is no reason to move away from that.
BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:that's why the bench is in flux, losing leads, no running, stagnant offense..you gotta be kidding me playing guys like dwill (4 min) and seraphin (3 min)..not a good look.Fisher got a break against the rapts playing 14 guys, but cmon man, no coach plays 12 to 14 guys a night, i don't care how deep your roster is. Even if we won the game against the bobcats, i still would feel the same, its really ridiculous
Derrick Williams brought another gear to the table. he gets fouled he can drive it to the basket he can make a 3. We havent scored 100 points since w went away from him. Its obvious Fiche hates him.
yeah fisher hates him and would rather lose games on purpose than play him. williams looked HORRIBLE tonight when he came into the game. there has been games this year where williams has looked fantastic, but tonight he did not. he was out of control and fish yanked him. maybe williams will learn something from it. there's a reason we got this guy so cheap.
Knicks1969 wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Fisher is still seeing what he has. Amundson, and now Aflalo, are now in play.Honestly, not to be disrespectful, but some of you guys are clueless about how you build a rotation.
Every day we see new things, both good and bad, from guys on this team, and all of it has to be taken into consideration by the coaching staff...which is more than just Fisher, by the way.
This is essentially a brand new roster, so there is always a period of experimentation, trial and error, and evolution. Add to this the fact that our star is still recovering from surgery, our SG has been injured for most of the young year, and we have a 20 year old phenom who is trying to find out what he can and can't do on the court against superior opponents.
Our guys have played in some tough games and have been more than competitive, so far, and we've done it all against good competition.
What we have in our favor, though, is the fact that all of this is being done despite success limiting factors such as rookie pains, multiple players recovering from injuries, and guys who've never played with each other, who are now playing in a new system under coaches they've never had before.
Ample room for improvement, and I expect Fisher, along with Phil and his coaching staff, will fine tune the rotation as we move along.
After winning just 17 games last season, Fisher doesn't have the luxury to experiment. Specifically, if he already has a formula that has worked. Grant, Gallo, Williams, Lance, and KO, have been our subs. There is no reason to move away from that.
I'm not sure this is the right way of looking at this. Fish is using these early games to learn what he has and what works best. It's only logical to test out things when you have such a new group of players. This is the time to do it since later in the year teams will be more solid than they are at this early point in the season. We have to allow Fish to learn his team.
This was a very winnable game; it was not time to experiment. Williams made a mistake dribbling the ball, as a result he turned it over. The bench could and should have helped him out, but they did not. The dude needs to know that he will be given 15 to 20 minutes per game and be allowed to make mistakes. This is basketball after all. Just like some around here expect us to take it easy on Fisher, he needs to take it easy on Williams
Knicks1969 wrote:This was a very winnable game; it was not time to experiment. Williams made a mistake dribbling the ball, as a result he turned it over. The bench could and should have helped him out, but they did not. The dude needs to know that he will be given 15 to 20 minutes per game and be allowed to make mistakes. This is basketball after all. Just like some around here expect us to take it easy on Fisher, he needs to take it easy on Williams
Why are you so sure DWill would've been the difference in this game? The Knicks had many opps to win this game and I don't think it really came down to playing DWill or not. I like DWill and I expect he'll get his chances this long season. It was Fisher's decision to see what others could give him. That's his right and is understandable this early with a new roster. It's not a lock that they if Fish plays DWill.
nixluva wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:This was a very winnable game; it was not time to experiment. Williams made a mistake dribbling the ball, as a result he turned it over. The bench could and should have helped him out, but they did not. The dude needs to know that he will be given 15 to 20 minutes per game and be allowed to make mistakes. This is basketball after all. Just like some around here expect us to take it easy on Fisher, he needs to take it easy on Williams
Why are you so sure DWill would've been the difference in this game? The Knicks had many opps to win this game and I don't think it really came down to playing DWill or not. I like DWill and I expect he'll get his chances this long season. It was Fisher's decision to see what others could give him. That's his right and is understandable this early with a new roster. It's not a lock that they if Fish plays DWill.
Are we the only team with new players, like i, said no team in the NBA rotates 14 guys, stop acting like this is normal and some of us shouldn't be concern.
I bet you we would have taken more than 7 damn ft's if d will and grant played more minutes
