My reasoning behind that statement is as follows: too often when young dudes enter the league with a decent jump shot, they often neglect to develop other areas of their game. They become volume shooters and often very poor defenders/rebounders; THJ can be used as an example.
I see a lot in Grant that tell me that he has the chance to become a stud in the near future. His struggles offensively will soon prove to be beneficial to his all around game.
If I were this kid, I would heavily study three players (Kidd,GP, and our own Clyde Frazer). They were all taller PGs who did not come in the league with a polish shooting touch, but their court vision; as well as, ability to rebound and defend made them superstars.
It'd be better if he could shoot now.
bigbasketballs wrote:It'd be better if he could shoot now.
I disagree. Rome was not built in one day
Knicks1969 wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:It'd be better if he could shoot now.
I disagree. Rome was not built in one day
Then maybe it'd be better if he was slow, couldn't handle the ball, was an inferior passer and threw up from nervousness when he stepped on the court.
We want him to stay motivated.
His shooting struggles are the same as shumperts, they shoot different 50% of the time. You look at 3 of our best shooters, KP, Calderone, and melo. Their form is the same for every shot. Grants form is different, he doesn't always follow through, and he's off balance a lot. He needs to develop that mid range shot if he is to be successful in this (mid range shot)system, it's extremely important.
It doesn't benefit him because he loses confidence, and how you can proceed to work on other parts of your game when the main part (shooting and finishing lay ups) is a struggle.
knicks1248 wrote:His shooting struggles are the same as shumperts, they shoot different 50% of the time. You look at 3 of our best shooters, KP, Calderone, and melo. Their form is the same for every shot. Grants form is different, he doesn't always follow through, and he's off balance a lot. He needs to develop that mid range shot if he is to be successful in this (mid range shot)system, it's extremely important.It doesn't benefit him because he loses confidence, and how you can proceed to work on other parts of your game when the main part (shooting and finishing lay ups) is a struggle.
Its funny you say that. I was telling my boy that Grant keeps missing his perimeter shots because he has horrible footwork. He never squares his feet. I think a minor tweak on his footwork would go a long way.
bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:It'd be better if he could shoot now.
I disagree. Rome was not built in one day
Then maybe it'd be better if he was slow, couldn't handle the ball, was an inferior passer and threw up from nervousness when he stepped on the court.
We want him to stay motivated.
I believe this kid will soon display an array of skills. By midseason,once the game slows down a little bit for him, we will truly see his worth. He does not have a broken jump shot and he is a decent free throw shooter
He shoots better when he is off balance and off the dribble. When he has time, his form kills him. Alan Houston should be able to help in that department.
I expect he will improve next year just as Galloway has this year.
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:He shoots better when he is off balance and off the dribble. When he has time, his form kills him. Alan Houston should be able to help in that department. I expect he will improve next year just as Galloway has this year.
I hope he improves in that department,because it is time we develop a young PG to safeguard our back court for years to come
Other dudes Grant should emulate are John Wall and Westbrook
Knicks1969 wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:It'd be better if he could shoot now.
I disagree. Rome was not built in one day
Then maybe it'd be better if he was slow, couldn't handle the ball, was an inferior passer and threw up from nervousness when he stepped on the court.
We want him to stay motivated.
I believe this kid will soon display an array of skills. By midseason,once the game slows down a little bit for him, we will truly see his worth. He does not have a broken jump shot and he is a decent free throw shooter
All that might be true, but to argue it's BETTER that's shooting poorly is a reach.
NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:His shooting struggles are the same as shumperts, they shoot different 50% of the time. You look at 3 of our best shooters, KP, Calderone, and melo. Their form is the same for every shot. Grants form is different, he doesn't always follow through, and he's off balance a lot. He needs to develop that mid range shot if he is to be successful in this (mid range shot)system, it's extremely important.It doesn't benefit him because he loses confidence, and how you can proceed to work on other parts of your game when the main part (shooting and finishing lay ups) is a struggle.
Its funny you say that. I was telling my boy that Grant keeps missing his perimeter shots because he has horrible footwork. He never squares his feet. I think a minor tweak on his footwork would go a long way.
Totally disagree. Grant can get to the rim quite easily, you can't do that with lousy footwork. Its confidence more than anything.
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:He shoots better when he is off balance and off the dribble. When he has time, his form kills him. Alan Houston should be able to help in that department. I expect he will improve next year just as Galloway has this year.
Believe you are half right. When Grant shoots off the dribble, he has less time to think about his shot, less time to worry about missing. Confidence in his shot I believe is his biggest issue.
GustavBahler wrote:GoNyGoNyGo wrote:He shoots better when he is off balance and off the dribble. When he has time, his form kills him. Alan Houston should be able to help in that department. I expect he will improve next year just as Galloway has this year.
Believe you are half right. When Grant shoots off the dribble, he has less time to think about his shot, less time to worry about missing. Confidence in his shot I believe is his biggest issue.
Agree. You do have a point. If he can get Better scoring the ball, we will be a dangerous team for a very long time; specifically, given KP's abilities
Rather Grant have an achilles heal and weakness to work on, then have the shots fall in like THJR. THJR was all rookie team sinking 40% from 3 only to suffer the sophomore jinx along with a near fist fight with Melo that indirectly led to his draft day trade.
Grant will be here for the foreseeable future, let him develop.
Grant i the complete opposite of Shump. Shump was a good distance shooter but struggled from 15 ft and in. Grant is struggling from 16 ft and out but is very good 15 ft and in. I am probably in the minority but I am not concerned at all with his shooting. I need more time for him to put up more data to get a better understanding on if it is a problem or not.
yellowboy90 wrote:Grant i the complete opposite of Shump. Shump was a good distance shooter but struggled from 15 ft and in. Grant is struggling from 16 ft and out but is very good 15 ft and in. I am probably in the minority but I am not concerned at all with his shooting. I need more time for him to put up more data to get a better understanding on if it is a problem or not.
yeah ... shump was an ok 3 point shooter. His stroke was a lot smoother than grants.
I would not say that I am worried about grant but within a couple years, he will have to become a decent 3 point shooter.
GustavBahler wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:His shooting struggles are the same as shumperts, they shoot different 50% of the time. You look at 3 of our best shooters, KP, Calderone, and melo. Their form is the same for every shot. Grants form is different, he doesn't always follow through, and he's off balance a lot. He needs to develop that mid range shot if he is to be successful in this (mid range shot)system, it's extremely important.It doesn't benefit him because he loses confidence, and how you can proceed to work on other parts of your game when the main part (shooting and finishing lay ups) is a struggle.
Its funny you say that. I was telling my boy that Grant keeps missing his perimeter shots because he has horrible footwork. He never squares his feet. I think a minor tweak on his footwork would go a long way.
Totally disagree. Grant can get to the rim quite easily, you can't do that with lousy footwork. Its confidence more than anything.
The foot work needs improvement, it's not about getting to the basket, because he's real good at that, it's about his foot work on jump shots, he's always moving, never really gathers himself. His confidence is a little shot(minutes and role).
I also believe he's still trying to figure out the system. In preseason and summer league, we played at a much faster pace, with Early, Galloway, and Dwill, he seem much more comfortable and used his instincs. Now were playing a little more methodical, and the bench rotation is a mess.
Grant is 1-16 from 3pt (.063%). 26-68 or .382 inside the arc which isn't terrible. Y'all need to chillax, other then him not being able to hit from downtown, he is doing fine.
knicks1248 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:His shooting struggles are the same as shumperts, they shoot different 50% of the time. You look at 3 of our best shooters, KP, Calderone, and melo. Their form is the same for every shot. Grants form is different, he doesn't always follow through, and he's off balance a lot. He needs to develop that mid range shot if he is to be successful in this (mid range shot)system, it's extremely important.It doesn't benefit him because he loses confidence, and how you can proceed to work on other parts of your game when the main part (shooting and finishing lay ups) is a struggle.
Its funny you say that. I was telling my boy that Grant keeps missing his perimeter shots because he has horrible footwork. He never squares his feet. I think a minor tweak on his footwork would go a long way.
Totally disagree. Grant can get to the rim quite easily, you can't do that with lousy footwork. Its confidence more than anything.
The foot work needs improvement, it's not about getting to the basket, because he's real good at that, it's about his foot work on jump shots, he's always moving, never really gathers himself. His confidence is a little shot(minutes and role).
I also believe he's still trying to figure out the system. In preseason and summer league, we played at a much faster pace, with Early, Galloway, and Dwill, he seem much more comfortable and used his instincs. Now were playing a little more methodical, and the bench rotation is a mess.
Sounded like NYBocker was saying that Grant had bad footwork altogether, my mistake if thats not what he meant. Still believe its confidence more than anything. I remember once Grant coughed up the ball and followed it with a three that looked perfect as far as his mechanics go. Sometimes Grant passes up shots he should have taken, would like to see him be more aggressive with his outside shooting. Maybe sometimes his form is off, but I believe its confidence more than anything.
I agree that Grant plays better in an uptempo style. I do believe he will become a better half court player in time. Smart kid.
Rookie wrote:Grant is 1-16 from 3pt (.063%). 26-68 or .382 inside the arc which isn't terrible. Y'all need to chillax, other then him not being able to hit from downtown, he is doing fine.
Your numbers seem to be off. It seems like you cited his total FG%, FGs, and FGAs. He is shooting 25 of 52 or 48% from inside the arch.
