Knicks · We have two very very very good players (page 4)
bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:babyKnicks wrote:Snap out of it guys. As zing says. Melo does it nightly. Have your fun bashing. Melo won that game down the stretch and zing won it overall. That three by Melo was awesome.melo haters and melo lovers are equally annoying. I just try to be objective. He played well last night but played poorly tonight...its that simpleTry to not say something bad about Melo. If you can't. You are just hating. You don't have to say something nice. But it's weak after winning 4 in a row seeing "Melo should have sat" or "Melo didn't pass enough" b
Keep it up. The ignore list is growing.
Go Knicks. Boo haters.
He didn't play poorly. If any other Knick had his game he'd be called out for a nice contribution.
14 and 6 doesn't grow on trees in the NBA.
There may well indeed be Melo lovers. But there is a third category as well. They're in the "can you really not let Melo go 15 mins after a road win?' camp.
14/6/0/3
I'll take it.
its ok to have nights like this sometimes but not too often if you are the super super star. He needs to constantly create shots for his teammates. He does not understand that this is a priority.
what kind of super star at his level never has a 10 assist game? None.
Maybe he's not the super super star you think him to be?
maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me. I think that he can do all these things if he just wanted to.
bigbasketballs wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:he had a big 3 but other that he had a off game. I mean being honest about it doesnt make you a haterStarksEwing1 wrote:babyKnicks wrote:Snap out of it guys. As zing says. Melo does it nightly. Have your fun bashing. Melo won that game down the stretch and zing won it overall. That three by Melo was awesome.melo haters and melo lovers are equally annoying. I just try to be objective. He played well last night but played poorly tonight...its that simpleTry to not say something bad about Melo. If you can't. You are just hating. You don't have to say something nice. But it's weak after winning 4 in a row seeing "Melo should have sat" or "Melo didn't pass enough" b
Keep it up. The ignore list is growing.
Go Knicks. Boo haters.
He didn't play poorly. If any other Knick had his game he'd be called out for a nice contribution.
14 and 6 doesn't grow on trees in the NBA.
There may well indeed be Melo lovers. But there is a third category as well. They're in the "can you really not let Melo go 15 mins after a road win?' camp.
The point is less the subjective opinion of whether he had a good, okay or off night.
The more relevant question is its relevancy?
Knickw won. They not only held onto a 4th quarter lead, THEY were the team who executed in the final 5 mins.
Why is this individual contribution even a thing?
It's weird.
True, it's really all about the team. KP with 7 blocks playing great team defense.
Great job with Fish pulling Melo for the offense-defense sub, and surprisingly heady play by Hose-A.
Great team performance despite another rough performance by Melo
mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.
Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ChuckBuck wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:he had a big 3 but other that he had a off game. I mean being honest about it doesnt make you a haterStarksEwing1 wrote:babyKnicks wrote:Snap out of it guys. As zing says. Melo does it nightly. Have your fun bashing. Melo won that game down the stretch and zing won it overall. That three by Melo was awesome.melo haters and melo lovers are equally annoying. I just try to be objective. He played well last night but played poorly tonight...its that simpleTry to not say something bad about Melo. If you can't. You are just hating. You don't have to say something nice. But it's weak after winning 4 in a row seeing "Melo should have sat" or "Melo didn't pass enough" b
Keep it up. The ignore list is growing.
Go Knicks. Boo haters.
He didn't play poorly. If any other Knick had his game he'd be called out for a nice contribution.
14 and 6 doesn't grow on trees in the NBA.
There may well indeed be Melo lovers. But there is a third category as well. They're in the "can you really not let Melo go 15 mins after a road win?' camp.
The point is less the subjective opinion of whether he had a good, okay or off night.
The more relevant question is its relevancy?
Knickw won. They not only held onto a 4th quarter lead, THEY were the team who executed in the final 5 mins.
Why is this individual contribution even a thing?
It's weird.
True, it's really all about the team. KP with 7 blocks playing great team defense.
Great job with Fish pulling Melo for the offense-defense sub, and surprisingly heady play by Hose-A.
Great team performance despite another rough performance by Melo
Always good when someone makes your point for you.
Fixations are rarely a positive thing.
yellowboy90 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:I think KP is the better all around player. Kid can excel on both ends of the floor which is rare.If Melo doesn't break out of his shooting woes then it will be close like it is now. I just like the fact that they are both doing well on both sides of the ball.
Melo is holding players 14.5% below their avg. I think players are shooting somewhere in the 35-39% range against him.
KP is like Walt says up and down on both sides but he seems to never play back to back bad games.
up and down for now. first time through the league. he is an incredibly quick study, seems to adapt his game immediately on both ends of the floor, especially on defense. next time he faces the same team we should expect him to have learned from the first game, and then who knows?
and he is a new york knickerbocker....
mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:babyKnicks wrote:Snap out of it guys. As zing says. Melo does it nightly. Have your fun bashing. Melo won that game down the stretch and zing won it overall. That three by Melo was awesome.melo haters and melo lovers are equally annoying. I just try to be objective. He played well last night but played poorly tonight...its that simpleTry to not say something bad about Melo. If you can't. You are just hating. You don't have to say something nice. But it's weak after winning 4 in a row seeing "Melo should have sat" or "Melo didn't pass enough" b
Keep it up. The ignore list is growing.
Go Knicks. Boo haters.
He didn't play poorly. If any other Knick had his game he'd be called out for a nice contribution.
14 and 6 doesn't grow on trees in the NBA.
There may well indeed be Melo lovers. But there is a third category as well. They're in the "can you really not let Melo go 15 mins after a road win?' camp.
14/6/0/3
I'll take it.
its ok to have nights like this sometimes but not too often if you are the super super star. He needs to constantly create shots for his teammates. He does not understand that this is a priority.
what kind of super star at his level never has a 10 assist game? None.
Maybe he's not the super super star you think him to be?
maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me. I think that he can do all these things if he just wanted to.
Its bad when you expect less from your $124m superstar.
bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.
After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.
He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.
mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.
After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.
He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.
I been saying in almost thread.
Robin Melo is the key to this season. KP will eventually take the reins of the offense the same way he's already the key to the defense.
Melo has to take 10 smart shots a game, play D, and dish like he did in Charlotte.
Also he should tell Fisher to sit back end of back to backs. No legs.
mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.
After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.
He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.
Again, after KP has arguably his best game as pro in a win… what are you and Chuck fixated on…
Point made.
ChuckBuck wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.
After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.
He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.
I been saying in almost thread.
Robin Melo is the key to this season. KP will eventually take the reins of the offense the same way he's already the key to the defense.
Melo has to take 10 smart shots a game, play D, and dish like he did in Charlotte.
Also he should tell Fisher to sit back end of back to backs. No legs.
if melo dished then he would not be triple teamed every play and it would open his game. Don't care how many shots he takes as long as they are good ones.
bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.
After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.
He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.
Again, after KP has arguably his best game as pro in a win… what are you and Chuck fixated on…
Point made.
tickled pink tonight ... talking about the bigger picture.
mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.
After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.
He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.
Again, after KP has arguably his best game as pro in a win… what are you and Chuck fixated on…
Point made.
tickled pink tonight ... talking about the bigger picture.
No you aren't. You're relitigating a game already played and won.
You said it yourself, he's AVERAGING around his career figures. Which means tonight's 0 has no predictive value for the next game or any other game. He's gonna have his 5s and his 4s and his 3s and 2s etc…
You're fixating over something that doesn't represent his game, because what's most interesting to you in a road game won is a poor showing in one or two statistical categories.
Not big picture - micro picture, of a successful team outing now in the past.
bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.
After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.
He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.
Again, after KP has arguably his best game as pro in a win… what are you and Chuck fixated on…
Point made.
tickled pink tonight ... talking about the bigger picture.
No you aren't. You're relitigating a game already played and won.
You said it yourself, he's AVERAGING around his career figures. Which means tonight's 0 has no predictive value for the next game or any other game. He's gonna have his 5s and his 4s and his 3s and 2s etc…
You're fixating over something that doesn't represent his game, because what's most interesting to you in a road game won is a poor showing in one or two statistical categories.
Not big picture - micro picture, of a successful team outing now in the past.
that is not interesting to me tonight, its what I care about every game. If he has a good passing, I call it out too. I am fixating on melo's passing and have been for too long.
every season I go into it with new hope that this is going to be the year that Melo realizes what he needs to get to the next level and becomes the unselfish player that we need him to be.
I am a jilted fan what can I say.
mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.
After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.
He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.
Again, after KP has arguably his best game as pro in a win… what are you and Chuck fixated on…
Point made.
tickled pink tonight ... talking about the bigger picture.
No you aren't. You're relitigating a game already played and won.
You said it yourself, he's AVERAGING around his career figures. Which means tonight's 0 has no predictive value for the next game or any other game. He's gonna have his 5s and his 4s and his 3s and 2s etc…
You're fixating over something that doesn't represent his game, because what's most interesting to you in a road game won is a poor showing in one or two statistical categories.
Not big picture - micro picture, of a successful team outing now in the past.
that is not interesting to me tonight, its what I care about every game. If he has a good passing, I call it out too. I am fixating on melo's passing and have been for too long.
every season I go into it with new hope that this is going to be the year that Melo realizes what he needs to get to the next level and becomes the unselfish player that we need him to be.
I am a jilted fan what can I say.
Not all this.
You seem to phase in and out of being very reasonable.
Surely you can see the Melo vs. Porzingis dynamic that gets so much run around here is utterly and strangely irrelevant.
bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.
After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.
He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.
Again, after KP has arguably his best game as pro in a win… what are you and Chuck fixated on…
Point made.
tickled pink tonight ... talking about the bigger picture.
No you aren't. You're relitigating a game already played and won.
You said it yourself, he's AVERAGING around his career figures. Which means tonight's 0 has no predictive value for the next game or any other game. He's gonna have his 5s and his 4s and his 3s and 2s etc…
You're fixating over something that doesn't represent his game, because what's most interesting to you in a road game won is a poor showing in one or two statistical categories.
Not big picture - micro picture, of a successful team outing now in the past.
that is not interesting to me tonight, its what I care about every game. If he has a good passing, I call it out too. I am fixating on melo's passing and have been for too long.
every season I go into it with new hope that this is going to be the year that Melo realizes what he needs to get to the next level and becomes the unselfish player that we need him to be.
I am a jilted fan what can I say.
Not all this.
You seem to phase in and out of being very reasonable.
Surely you can see the Melo vs. Porzingis dynamic that gets so much run around here is utterly and strangely irrelevant.
I have not been part of the him vs. KP stuff
I consistently ride melo for not passing and will do it after every game that he doesn't.
mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.
After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.
He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.
Again, after KP has arguably his best game as pro in a win… what are you and Chuck fixated on…
Point made.
tickled pink tonight ... talking about the bigger picture.
No you aren't. You're relitigating a game already played and won.
You said it yourself, he's AVERAGING around his career figures. Which means tonight's 0 has no predictive value for the next game or any other game. He's gonna have his 5s and his 4s and his 3s and 2s etc…
You're fixating over something that doesn't represent his game, because what's most interesting to you in a road game won is a poor showing in one or two statistical categories.
Not big picture - micro picture, of a successful team outing now in the past.
that is not interesting to me tonight, its what I care about every game. If he has a good passing, I call it out too. I am fixating on melo's passing and have been for too long.
every season I go into it with new hope that this is going to be the year that Melo realizes what he needs to get to the next level and becomes the unselfish player that we need him to be.
I am a jilted fan what can I say.
Not all this.
You seem to phase in and out of being very reasonable.
Surely you can see the Melo vs. Porzingis dynamic that gets so much run around here is utterly and strangely irrelevant.
I have not been part of the him vs. KP stuff
I consistently ride melo for not passing and will do it after every game that he doesn't.
Right, because that'll help.
bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.
After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.
He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.
Again, after KP has arguably his best game as pro in a win… what are you and Chuck fixated on…
Point made.
tickled pink tonight ... talking about the bigger picture.
No you aren't. You're relitigating a game already played and won.
You said it yourself, he's AVERAGING around his career figures. Which means tonight's 0 has no predictive value for the next game or any other game. He's gonna have his 5s and his 4s and his 3s and 2s etc…
You're fixating over something that doesn't represent his game, because what's most interesting to you in a road game won is a poor showing in one or two statistical categories.
Not big picture - micro picture, of a successful team outing now in the past.
that is not interesting to me tonight, its what I care about every game. If he has a good passing, I call it out too. I am fixating on melo's passing and have been for too long.
every season I go into it with new hope that this is going to be the year that Melo realizes what he needs to get to the next level and becomes the unselfish player that we need him to be.
I am a jilted fan what can I say.
Not all this.
You seem to phase in and out of being very reasonable.
Surely you can see the Melo vs. Porzingis dynamic that gets so much run around here is utterly and strangely irrelevant.
I have not been part of the him vs. KP stuff
I consistently ride melo for not passing and will do it after every game that he doesn't.
Right, because that'll help.
help? How are you helping?
mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.
After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.
He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.
Again, after KP has arguably his best game as pro in a win… what are you and Chuck fixated on…
Point made.
tickled pink tonight ... talking about the bigger picture.
No you aren't. You're relitigating a game already played and won.
You said it yourself, he's AVERAGING around his career figures. Which means tonight's 0 has no predictive value for the next game or any other game. He's gonna have his 5s and his 4s and his 3s and 2s etc…
You're fixating over something that doesn't represent his game, because what's most interesting to you in a road game won is a poor showing in one or two statistical categories.
Not big picture - micro picture, of a successful team outing now in the past.
that is not interesting to me tonight, its what I care about every game. If he has a good passing, I call it out too. I am fixating on melo's passing and have been for too long.
every season I go into it with new hope that this is going to be the year that Melo realizes what he needs to get to the next level and becomes the unselfish player that we need him to be.
I am a jilted fan what can I say.
Not all this.
You seem to phase in and out of being very reasonable.
Surely you can see the Melo vs. Porzingis dynamic that gets so much run around here is utterly and strangely irrelevant.
I have not been part of the him vs. KP stuff
I consistently ride melo for not passing and will do it after every game that he doesn't.
Right, because that'll help.
help? How are you helping?
I'm not.
I'm having an exchange with someone I can communicate with directly.
You're "riding Melo" from afar and he'll never hear it. Hence, the inability to get past it.
bigbasketballs wrote:Four in a row, two straight on road, 8-6, undeniable defense and some of you guys are spending the glow of the post game on knocking Melo.Look in the mirror fellas, look in the mirror.
Exactly right. Melo should look in the mirror.
If he's not right physically, he should sit the back end of back to backs instead of hurting the team.
bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.
After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.
He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.
Again, after KP has arguably his best game as pro in a win… what are you and Chuck fixated on…
Point made.
tickled pink tonight ... talking about the bigger picture.
No you aren't. You're relitigating a game already played and won.
You said it yourself, he's AVERAGING around his career figures. Which means tonight's 0 has no predictive value for the next game or any other game. He's gonna have his 5s and his 4s and his 3s and 2s etc…
You're fixating over something that doesn't represent his game, because what's most interesting to you in a road game won is a poor showing in one or two statistical categories.
Not big picture - micro picture, of a successful team outing now in the past.
that is not interesting to me tonight, its what I care about every game. If he has a good passing, I call it out too. I am fixating on melo's passing and have been for too long.
every season I go into it with new hope that this is going to be the year that Melo realizes what he needs to get to the next level and becomes the unselfish player that we need him to be.
I am a jilted fan what can I say.
Not all this.
You seem to phase in and out of being very reasonable.
Surely you can see the Melo vs. Porzingis dynamic that gets so much run around here is utterly and strangely irrelevant.
I have not been part of the him vs. KP stuff
I consistently ride melo for not passing and will do it after every game that he doesn't.
Right, because that'll help.
help? How are you helping?
I'm not.
I'm having an exchange with someone I can communicate with directly.
You're "riding Melo" from afar and he'll never hear it. Hence, the inability to get past it.
True. We should all stop praising him too.
I am looking for group therapy to deal with my dissapointment
mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:mreinman wrote:maybe but its hard to come to grips with that for me.Which is exactly what I attempted to point out to Chuck earlier.
It's time.
ok ... lets say just a star or whatever level. He needs to move the ball and not think of himself as the first option every time he touches it.
After tonight, melo is about his career avg for assists. Not the great new improved melo that everyone is gaga about.
He may becoming the highest paid decoy of all time.
Again, after KP has arguably his best game as pro in a win… what are you and Chuck fixated on…
Point made.
tickled pink tonight ... talking about the bigger picture.
No you aren't. You're relitigating a game already played and won.
You said it yourself, he's AVERAGING around his career figures. Which means tonight's 0 has no predictive value for the next game or any other game. He's gonna have his 5s and his 4s and his 3s and 2s etc…
You're fixating over something that doesn't represent his game, because what's most interesting to you in a road game won is a poor showing in one or two statistical categories.
Not big picture - micro picture, of a successful team outing now in the past.
that is not interesting to me tonight, its what I care about every game. If he has a good passing, I call it out too. I am fixating on melo's passing and have been for too long.
every season I go into it with new hope that this is going to be the year that Melo realizes what he needs to get to the next level and becomes the unselfish player that we need him to be.
I am a jilted fan what can I say.
Not all this.
You seem to phase in and out of being very reasonable.
Surely you can see the Melo vs. Porzingis dynamic that gets so much run around here is utterly and strangely irrelevant.
I have not been part of the him vs. KP stuff
I consistently ride melo for not passing and will do it after every game that he doesn't.
Right, because that'll help.
help? How are you helping?
I'm not.
I'm having an exchange with someone I can communicate with directly.
You're "riding Melo" from afar and he'll never hear it. Hence, the inability to get past it.
True. We should all stop praising him too.
I am looking for group therapy to deal with my dissapointment
For all the work Melo's put into the off-season, he's been terribly disappointing this season so far. 2 or 3 maybe "vintage" Melo performances. Mostly mediocre.
Thankfully KP's been picking up the slack. I'm ecstatic as we all should be! !!!!!