Knicks · OT: Byron Scott says Kobe has 'privilege' to take all the bad shots he wants (page 2)

ChuckBuck @ 11/25/2015 12:03 PM
Nalod wrote:

Then there are the Pierce, Garnett, Wilkens (lenny and Dominique)Amare, Drexler, Kidd, Maravich, Ewing, Barkley, Payton,

Amare?

......

Knixkik @ 11/25/2015 12:30 PM
Nalod wrote:
Kobe is selling tickets in his farewell tour.

Regarding his status its easy to NOT like Kobe as he has been hard to coach and not a likable person given his persona and off court rape trouble.
Plenty of reasons to not like Kobe.

No star wins without a good team around him or a good coach.

Regardless of position you have Mount Rushmore of winners and greatness:

Russell, Wilt, Jordan, Kareem, Lebron, and Duncan

Those four stand above for many reasons. Winning and/or Statistically way off the norm. Wilt had crazy numbers.

Under those guys are Shaq,Kobe, the logo, Oscar, Bird, Magic, Willis, Hakeem.......

Then there the next tier of Dr J, Clyde, Earl, McHale, Karl, Stockton, Archibald, Tony (got 5 rings) Parker, Nash, etc.

Then there are the Pierce, Garnett, Wilkens (lenny and Dominique)Amare, Drexler, Kidd, Maravich, Ewing, Barkley, Payton,

Im leaving a lot of guys out, but you get the jest......

Kobe should not be in the same sentence at Magic and Bird.

mreinman @ 11/25/2015 12:37 PM
Knixkik wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Kobe is selling tickets in his farewell tour.

Regarding his status its easy to NOT like Kobe as he has been hard to coach and not a likable person given his persona and off court rape trouble.
Plenty of reasons to not like Kobe.

No star wins without a good team around him or a good coach.

Regardless of position you have Mount Rushmore of winners and greatness:

Russell, Wilt, Jordan, Kareem, Lebron, and Duncan

Those four stand above for many reasons. Winning and/or Statistically way off the norm. Wilt had crazy numbers.

Under those guys are Shaq,Kobe, the logo, Oscar, Bird, Magic, Willis, Hakeem.......

Then there the next tier of Dr J, Clyde, Earl, McHale, Karl, Stockton, Archibald, Tony (got 5 rings) Parker, Nash, etc.

Then there are the Pierce, Garnett, Wilkens (lenny and Dominique)Amare, Drexler, Kidd, Maravich, Ewing, Barkley, Payton,

Im leaving a lot of guys out, but you get the jest......

Kobe should not be in the same sentence at Magic and Bird.

or shaq (who in my book is one of the most underrated players)

ChuckBuck @ 11/25/2015 12:54 PM
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Kobe is selling tickets in his farewell tour.

Regarding his status its easy to NOT like Kobe as he has been hard to coach and not a likable person given his persona and off court rape trouble.
Plenty of reasons to not like Kobe.

No star wins without a good team around him or a good coach.

Regardless of position you have Mount Rushmore of winners and greatness:

Russell, Wilt, Jordan, Kareem, Lebron, and Duncan

Those four stand above for many reasons. Winning and/or Statistically way off the norm. Wilt had crazy numbers.

Under those guys are Shaq,Kobe, the logo, Oscar, Bird, Magic, Willis, Hakeem.......

Then there the next tier of Dr J, Clyde, Earl, McHale, Karl, Stockton, Archibald, Tony (got 5 rings) Parker, Nash, etc.

Then there are the Pierce, Garnett, Wilkens (lenny and Dominique)Amare, Drexler, Kidd, Maravich, Ewing, Barkley, Payton,

Im leaving a lot of guys out, but you get the jest......

Kobe should not be in the same sentence at Magic and Bird.

or shaq (who in my book is one of the most underrated players)

No mention of David Robinson or Pippen?

Nalod @ 11/25/2015 1:02 PM
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Kobe is selling tickets in his farewell tour.

Regarding his status its easy to NOT like Kobe as he has been hard to coach and not a likable person given his persona and off court rape trouble.
Plenty of reasons to not like Kobe.

No star wins without a good team around him or a good coach.

Regardless of position you have Mount Rushmore of winners and greatness:

Russell, Wilt, Jordan, Kareem, Lebron, and Duncan

Those four stand above for many reasons. Winning and/or Statistically way off the norm. Wilt had crazy numbers.

Under those guys are Shaq,Kobe, the logo, Oscar, Bird, Magic, Willis, Hakeem.......

Then there the next tier of Dr J, Clyde, Earl, McHale, Karl, Stockton, Archibald, Tony (got 5 rings) Parker, Nash, etc. MVP Guys that dominated.

Then there are the Pierce, Garnett, Wilkens (lenny and Dominique)Amare, Drexler, Kidd, Maravich, Ewing, Barkley, Payton, Iverson. HOF guys!!!

Im leaving a lot of guys out, but you get the jest......

Kobe should not be in the same sentence at Magic and Bird.

or shaq (who in my book is one of the most underrated players)

Shaq is a top 5 center of all time. I don't have him on Rushmore. At the same time, hate or not, Kobe is a 5x champ with and without Shaq and an MVP. With his stats, trip to finals, 2x playoff MVP and 17 all star trips he is in rare company.

Amare is probably a stretch on second thought. He goes down with the Grant Hill's, Mcgrady, Penny hardaway, etc......type of player who had the talent but injury cut down years of production.

leads to a whole new category of "dumbass Stars"........guys whose arrogance/ignorance cut down there career. Marbury, Francis, Arenas, David Thomspon, Chris Washburn, Kemp,

Nalod @ 11/25/2015 1:02 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Kobe is selling tickets in his farewell tour.

Regarding his status its easy to NOT like Kobe as he has been hard to coach and not a likable person given his persona and off court rape trouble.
Plenty of reasons to not like Kobe.

No star wins without a good team around him or a good coach.

Regardless of position you have Mount Rushmore of winners and greatness:

Russell, Wilt, Jordan, Kareem, Lebron, and Duncan

Those four stand above for many reasons. Winning and/or Statistically way off the norm. Wilt had crazy numbers.

Under those guys are Shaq,Kobe, the logo, Oscar, Bird, Magic, Willis, Hakeem.......

Then there the next tier of Dr J, Clyde, Earl, McHale, Karl, Stockton, Archibald, Tony (got 5 rings) Parker, Nash, etc.

Then there are the Pierce, Garnett, Wilkens (lenny and Dominique)Amare, Drexler, Kidd, Maravich, Ewing, Barkley, Payton,

Im leaving a lot of guys out, but you get the jest......

Kobe should not be in the same sentence at Magic and Bird.

or shaq (who in my book is one of the most underrated players)

No mention of David Robinson or Pippen?

Nalod @ 11/25/2015 1:03 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Kobe is selling tickets in his farewell tour.

Regarding his status its easy to NOT like Kobe as he has been hard to coach and not a likable person given his persona and off court rape trouble.
Plenty of reasons to not like Kobe.

No star wins without a good team around him or a good coach.

Regardless of position you have Mount Rushmore of winners and greatness:

Russell, Wilt, Jordan, Kareem, Lebron, and Duncan

Those four stand above for many reasons. Winning and/or Statistically way off the norm. Wilt had crazy numbers.

Under those guys are Shaq,Kobe, the logo, Oscar, Bird, Magic, Willis, Hakeem.......

Then there the next tier of Dr J, Clyde, Earl, McHale, Karl, Stockton, Archibald, Tony (got 5 rings) Parker, Nash, etc.

Then there are the Pierce, Garnett, Wilkens (lenny and Dominique)Amare, Drexler, Kidd, Maravich, Ewing, Barkley, Payton,

Im leaving a lot of guys out, but you get the jest......

Kobe should not be in the same sentence at Magic and Bird.

or shaq (who in my book is one of the most underrated players)

No mention of David Robinson or Pippen?

add to the list.........They belong. Its not a closed or conclusive.

For that matter go full Nate Thurmond, Walt Bellemy, Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld, about 10 other career Celt's, Worthy, Walton, and the other 90% of the HOF list I left off.

mreinman @ 11/25/2015 1:05 PM
Nalod wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Kobe is selling tickets in his farewell tour.

Regarding his status its easy to NOT like Kobe as he has been hard to coach and not a likable person given his persona and off court rape trouble.
Plenty of reasons to not like Kobe.

No star wins without a good team around him or a good coach.

Regardless of position you have Mount Rushmore of winners and greatness:

Russell, Wilt, Jordan, Kareem, Lebron, and Duncan

Those four stand above for many reasons. Winning and/or Statistically way off the norm. Wilt had crazy numbers.

Under those guys are Shaq,Kobe, the logo, Oscar, Bird, Magic, Willis, Hakeem.......

Then there the next tier of Dr J, Clyde, Earl, McHale, Karl, Stockton, Archibald, Tony (got 5 rings) Parker, Nash, etc. MVP Guys that dominated.

Then there are the Pierce, Garnett, Wilkens (lenny and Dominique)Amare, Drexler, Kidd, Maravich, Ewing, Barkley, Payton, Iverson. HOF guys!!!

Im leaving a lot of guys out, but you get the jest......

Kobe should not be in the same sentence at Magic and Bird.

or shaq (who in my book is one of the most underrated players)

Shaq is a top 5 center of all time. I don't have him on Rushmore. At the same time, hate or not, Kobe is a 5x champ with and without Shaq and an MVP. With his stats, trip to finals, 2x playoff MVP and 17 all star trips he is in rare company.

Amare is probably a stretch on second thought. He goes down with the Grant Hill's, Mcgrady, Penny hardaway, etc......type of player who had the talent but injury cut down years of production.

leads to a whole new category of "dumbass Stars"........guys whose arrogance/ignorance cut down there career. Marbury, Francis, Arenas, David Thomspon, Chris Washburn, Kemp,

shaq in my book was much much better than Kobe. He just broke down earlier due to his size.

ChuckBuck @ 11/25/2015 1:16 PM
Nalod wrote:

leads to a whole new category of "dumbass Stars"........guys whose arrogance/ignorance cut down there career. Marbury, Francis, Arenas, David Thomspon, Chris Washburn, Kemp,

Derrick Coleman, Stephenson and Cousins fit this profile as well.

Arenas got into a near gun fight inside a NBA lockerroom with Jarvaris Crittendon.

Kemp...well he had some really good year in Seattle, but once he got that max contract, ate himself out of the league.

mreinman @ 11/25/2015 2:12 PM
ChuckBuck @ 11/25/2015 2:17 PM
mreinman wrote:

Yup, they pretty much guarantee themselves a top 3 pick, and get to keep it away from Hinkie's grubby hands.

WaltLongmire @ 11/25/2015 2:39 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
mreinman wrote:

Yup, they pretty much guarantee themselves a top 3 pick, and get to keep it away from Hinkie's grubby hands.


Scott's new defensive scheme allows the Lakers to spend more energy on offense and stay away from foul trouble.

mreinman @ 11/25/2015 2:58 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
mreinman wrote:

Yup, they pretty much guarantee themselves a top 3 pick, and get to keep it away from Hinkie's grubby hands.


Scott's new defensive scheme allows the Lakers to spend more energy on offense and stay away from foul trouble.

yeah ... and thats not tanking

WaltLongmire @ 11/25/2015 3:56 PM
knickscity wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
knickscity wrote:The Lakers are a months away from having one of their greatest player retire. the Lakers are going nowhere, might as well let Kobe have his final "tour" around the league. He really isnt hindering anyone's development.

Me?...I have no ax to grind with him about his personality over the years or what he's done, and you can't get blame him for his injuries the past few years.

You can make a case, though, that when you look at the money he's getting, his on-court performance, the cap inflexibility his max contract creates, and now, the way he doesn't seem to step back as a player to let a guy like Russell step up, his final 3 years are not going to look too good almost any way you are looking at them, and the enabling Scott is doing does not help things, either.


Here's how I actually see it. No player on that current team is being hindered by Kobe's shooting and play soaking. D'angelo is struggling because he isnt adjusting to the NBA well. Out of all the starters, Kobe plays the least amount of minutes. i also feel two other things have shaped up what we are seeing....the trade that was blocked and the signing of Steve Nash. Kobe imo would have had more titles under his belt if 1) the league left things alone and 2) Lakers have a more dynamic team. Kobe's slary merely prevents max players who arent coming there from coming there.

We'll see how things shape up after he's gone


???? Might want to check out the minutes comment...He and Clarkson are the only guys over 30MPG...Kobe just about plays more than than anyone on the team.

If they are actually trying to tank to keep their pick...that is one thing, but if not, they are not exactly making the Lakers look like a landing spot for FA.

KP's emergence has added a wrinkle to our FA future because he becomes an attraction. You could see Towns drawing notice, and what big man wouldn't think about Mudiay playing with him on the pick and roll.

There has to be doubt about Russell as a franchise maker at this point, even though it is much too early.

What if the Russell we see know is the one you see at the end of the year- and the Lakers don't end up top 3 in the draft and lose their pick to Philly?

You have to put up with Young and Williams for 3 years if you include this season, and if top FA's continue go to teams with a chance to win-why would they come to LA next year, other than the aura of being a Laker. Who knows if Clarkson even wants to remain with the team?

Just an unfortunate situation for that team. I have no issues at all with them being bad, would love to see them be mediocre and not get any great draft picks, but it is not going to be any kind of triumphant final season for Kobe, and IMO he might be holding Russell back.

mreinman @ 11/25/2015 4:04 PM
boy does Aldridge and his team look like Genius's. They walk saying WTF just happened and that the lakers were idiots in the analytic field. Can't believe that Scott and Kobe did not blow them away with their charm.
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