Knicks · Our big mens efficiency drop vs. last season (page 1)

It seems that the bigs that we got all were way way more efficient last year. Is it the system that we run or is it just them not getting acclimated yet?

TS%

Lopez:

last season: 57.5
this season: 48.5

KOQ:

last season: 55
this season: 47

Seraphin:

last season: 53.5
this season: 45.5

Dalembert:

TS%:

Season before the knicks: 60!!
On the knicks: 46!

Huge drop!

Quicy Acy:

TS%:

Season on the knicks: 53.3
this year: 59.5!

big boost! Took a look at his shooting charts and he removed all those long 2's that he took on the knicks.

Jason Smith:

TS%:

Season on the knicks: 49.7
this year: 56!

big boost!

Is Bargs Jr taking less long 2s too

yellowboy90 wrote:Is Bargs Jr taking less long 2s too

who?

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Is Bargs Jr taking less long 2s too

who?

J. Smith

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Is Bargs Jr taking less long 2s too

who?

J. Smith

no. he is taking more than ever and actually nailing them so for him its a great shot

Fron Z Lowes article.

New York has allowed the eighth-most attempts from the restricted area, more than a team playing this style should give up. Teams have only hit 31 percent of wide-open 3s against New York, and that number is already trending up.

Still, the Knicks seem to know which shots they should discourage on defense. That makes their shot selection on offense even more puzzling. "It's the exact opposite on offense," Afflalo says, laughing.

This is the largest question hovering over the franchise: Should the Knicks really tether themselves to the triangle? We are barely a half-decade removed from the triangle ruling the league, but the NBA has changed a ton in that short span. The evolution has happened so fast, the severity of it almost doesn't hit you until you really stand back, like Dave Kujan from "The Usual Suspects," and look at the big picture.

No team has taken more mid-range shots than the Knicks. Only two teams have attempted fewer shots at the basket. The Knicks rank dead last in both drives per game and fast-break points, and 22nd overall in points per possession. Mangled tweets aside, triangle teams aren't triple-averse; several of Jackson's peak Laker teams ranked above the league-average in 3-point attempts.

But the league was only starting to embrace high-volume 3-point shooting then, and the triangle may not be able to keep up. "The triangle really sets you up for mid-range shots," Afflalo says, "with all the pick-and-rolls in tight, the cutting, and the post-up work."

The triangle turns post players into scorers, and that isn't working so well. Lopez attempted 52 shots via post-ups all of last season for Portland; he's already 10-of-31 for the Knicks, with a sky-high turnover rate that comes from trying to thread passes through tight triangle spacing, per Synergy Sports.

mreinman wrote:Fron Z Lowes article.

New York has allowed the eighth-most attempts from the restricted area, more than a team playing this style should give up. Teams have only hit 31 percent of wide-open 3s against New York, and that number is already trending up.

Still, the Knicks seem to know which shots they should discourage on defense. That makes their shot selection on offense even more puzzling. "It's the exact opposite on offense," Afflalo says, laughing.

This is the largest question hovering over the franchise: Should the Knicks really tether themselves to the triangle? We are barely a half-decade removed from the triangle ruling the league, but the NBA has changed a ton in that short span. The evolution has happened so fast, the severity of it almost doesn't hit you until you really stand back, like Dave Kujan from "The Usual Suspects," and look at the big picture.

No team has taken more mid-range shots than the Knicks. Only two teams have attempted fewer shots at the basket. The Knicks rank dead last in both drives per game and fast-break points, and 22nd overall in points per possession. Mangled tweets aside, triangle teams aren't triple-averse; several of Jackson's peak Laker teams ranked above the league-average in 3-point attempts.

But the league was only starting to embrace high-volume 3-point shooting then, and the triangle may not be able to keep up. "The triangle really sets you up for mid-range shots," Afflalo says, "with all the pick-and-rolls in tight, the cutting, and the post-up work."

The triangle turns post players into scorers, and that isn't working so well. Lopez attempted 52 shots via post-ups all of last season for Portland; he's already 10-of-31 for the Knicks, with a sky-high turnover rate that comes from trying to thread passes through tight triangle spacing, per Synergy Sports.

One of the reasons Grant will make a difference when he starts, and plays with some consistency, is getting to the rim and dishing to guys like Lopez for easy flushes. Calderon doesn't do it, not on a regular basis, but Grant has that ability.

Lopez isn't in there for his scoring. The article you posted also listed KP and Lopez borderline elite defensively. You also believe Lopez does the little things on the floor that get overlooked, so its not directed at you. We cant hold leads or make stops in the 4th quarter because we dont have our best defensive unit out there.

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:Fron Z Lowes article.

New York has allowed the eighth-most attempts from the restricted area, more than a team playing this style should give up. Teams have only hit 31 percent of wide-open 3s against New York, and that number is already trending up.

Still, the Knicks seem to know which shots they should discourage on defense. That makes their shot selection on offense even more puzzling. "It's the exact opposite on offense," Afflalo says, laughing.

This is the largest question hovering over the franchise: Should the Knicks really tether themselves to the triangle? We are barely a half-decade removed from the triangle ruling the league, but the NBA has changed a ton in that short span. The evolution has happened so fast, the severity of it almost doesn't hit you until you really stand back, like Dave Kujan from "The Usual Suspects," and look at the big picture.

No team has taken more mid-range shots than the Knicks. Only two teams have attempted fewer shots at the basket. The Knicks rank dead last in both drives per game and fast-break points, and 22nd overall in points per possession. Mangled tweets aside, triangle teams aren't triple-averse; several of Jackson's peak Laker teams ranked above the league-average in 3-point attempts.

But the league was only starting to embrace high-volume 3-point shooting then, and the triangle may not be able to keep up. "The triangle really sets you up for mid-range shots," Afflalo says, "with all the pick-and-rolls in tight, the cutting, and the post-up work."

The triangle turns post players into scorers, and that isn't working so well. Lopez attempted 52 shots via post-ups all of last season for Portland; he's already 10-of-31 for the Knicks, with a sky-high turnover rate that comes from trying to thread passes through tight triangle spacing, per Synergy Sports.

One of the reasons Grant will make a difference when he starts, and plays with some consistency, is getting to the rim and dishing to guys like Lopez for easy flushes. Calderon doesn't do it, not on a regular basis, but Grant has that ability.

Lopez isn't in there for his scoring. The article you posted also listed KP and Lopez borderline elite defensively. You also believe Lopez does the little things on the floor that get overlooked, so its not directed at you. We cant hold leads or make stops in the 4th quarter because we dont have our best defensive unit out there.

THANK YOU. Look at the personell we are playing. We have one guy who can get dribble penetration and he's a rookie with suspect jumper and he's surrounded by slashers, not shooters. This is a patience thing. Not a system thing.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:Fron Z Lowes article.

New York has allowed the eighth-most attempts from the restricted area, more than a team playing this style should give up. Teams have only hit 31 percent of wide-open 3s against New York, and that number is already trending up.

Still, the Knicks seem to know which shots they should discourage on defense. That makes their shot selection on offense even more puzzling. "It's the exact opposite on offense," Afflalo says, laughing.

This is the largest question hovering over the franchise: Should the Knicks really tether themselves to the triangle? We are barely a half-decade removed from the triangle ruling the league, but the NBA has changed a ton in that short span. The evolution has happened so fast, the severity of it almost doesn't hit you until you really stand back, like Dave Kujan from "The Usual Suspects," and look at the big picture.

No team has taken more mid-range shots than the Knicks. Only two teams have attempted fewer shots at the basket. The Knicks rank dead last in both drives per game and fast-break points, and 22nd overall in points per possession. Mangled tweets aside, triangle teams aren't triple-averse; several of Jackson's peak Laker teams ranked above the league-average in 3-point attempts.

But the league was only starting to embrace high-volume 3-point shooting then, and the triangle may not be able to keep up. "The triangle really sets you up for mid-range shots," Afflalo says, "with all the pick-and-rolls in tight, the cutting, and the post-up work."

The triangle turns post players into scorers, and that isn't working so well. Lopez attempted 52 shots via post-ups all of last season for Portland; he's already 10-of-31 for the Knicks, with a sky-high turnover rate that comes from trying to thread passes through tight triangle spacing, per Synergy Sports.

One of the reasons Grant will make a difference when he starts, and plays with some consistency, is getting to the rim and dishing to guys like Lopez for easy flushes. Calderon doesn't do it, not on a regular basis, but Grant has that ability.

Lopez isn't in there for his scoring. The article you posted also listed KP and Lopez borderline elite defensively. You also believe Lopez does the little things on the floor that get overlooked, so its not directed at you. We cant hold leads or make stops in the 4th quarter because we dont have our best defensive unit out there.

THANK YOU. Look at the personell we are playing. We have one guy who can get dribble penetration and he's a rookie with suspect jumper and he's surrounded by slashers, not shooters. This is a patience thing. Not a system thing.

Its also a system thing as the article clearly pointed out.

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:Fron Z Lowes article.

New York has allowed the eighth-most attempts from the restricted area, more than a team playing this style should give up. Teams have only hit 31 percent of wide-open 3s against New York, and that number is already trending up.

Still, the Knicks seem to know which shots they should discourage on defense. That makes their shot selection on offense even more puzzling. "It's the exact opposite on offense," Afflalo says, laughing.

This is the largest question hovering over the franchise: Should the Knicks really tether themselves to the triangle? We are barely a half-decade removed from the triangle ruling the league, but the NBA has changed a ton in that short span. The evolution has happened so fast, the severity of it almost doesn't hit you until you really stand back, like Dave Kujan from "The Usual Suspects," and look at the big picture.

No team has taken more mid-range shots than the Knicks. Only two teams have attempted fewer shots at the basket. The Knicks rank dead last in both drives per game and fast-break points, and 22nd overall in points per possession. Mangled tweets aside, triangle teams aren't triple-averse; several of Jackson's peak Laker teams ranked above the league-average in 3-point attempts.

But the league was only starting to embrace high-volume 3-point shooting then, and the triangle may not be able to keep up. "The triangle really sets you up for mid-range shots," Afflalo says, "with all the pick-and-rolls in tight, the cutting, and the post-up work."

The triangle turns post players into scorers, and that isn't working so well. Lopez attempted 52 shots via post-ups all of last season for Portland; he's already 10-of-31 for the Knicks, with a sky-high turnover rate that comes from trying to thread passes through tight triangle spacing, per Synergy Sports.

One of the reasons Grant will make a difference when he starts, and plays with some consistency, is getting to the rim and dishing to guys like Lopez for easy flushes. Calderon doesn't do it, not on a regular basis, but Grant has that ability.

Lopez isn't in there for his scoring. The article you posted also listed KP and Lopez borderline elite defensively. You also believe Lopez does the little things on the floor that get overlooked, so its not directed at you. We cant hold leads or make stops in the 4th quarter because we dont have our best defensive unit out there.

Yes of course our penetration is gonna take a big hit with our guards and as far as lopez, no one needs to sell me on his intangibles, I love the way he plays. I am worried about how this system is currently killing the efficiency of any big that we bring in.

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:Fron Z Lowes article.

New York has allowed the eighth-most attempts from the restricted area, more than a team playing this style should give up. Teams have only hit 31 percent of wide-open 3s against New York, and that number is already trending up.

Still, the Knicks seem to know which shots they should discourage on defense. That makes their shot selection on offense even more puzzling. "It's the exact opposite on offense," Afflalo says, laughing.

This is the largest question hovering over the franchise: Should the Knicks really tether themselves to the triangle? We are barely a half-decade removed from the triangle ruling the league, but the NBA has changed a ton in that short span. The evolution has happened so fast, the severity of it almost doesn't hit you until you really stand back, like Dave Kujan from "The Usual Suspects," and look at the big picture.

No team has taken more mid-range shots than the Knicks. Only two teams have attempted fewer shots at the basket. The Knicks rank dead last in both drives per game and fast-break points, and 22nd overall in points per possession. Mangled tweets aside, triangle teams aren't triple-averse; several of Jackson's peak Laker teams ranked above the league-average in 3-point attempts.

But the league was only starting to embrace high-volume 3-point shooting then, and the triangle may not be able to keep up. "The triangle really sets you up for mid-range shots," Afflalo says, "with all the pick-and-rolls in tight, the cutting, and the post-up work."

The triangle turns post players into scorers, and that isn't working so well. Lopez attempted 52 shots via post-ups all of last season for Portland; he's already 10-of-31 for the Knicks, with a sky-high turnover rate that comes from trying to thread passes through tight triangle spacing, per Synergy Sports.

One of the reasons Grant will make a difference when he starts, and plays with some consistency, is getting to the rim and dishing to guys like Lopez for easy flushes. Calderon doesn't do it, not on a regular basis, but Grant has that ability.

Lopez isn't in there for his scoring. The article you posted also listed KP and Lopez borderline elite defensively. You also believe Lopez does the little things on the floor that get overlooked, so its not directed at you. We cant hold leads or make stops in the 4th quarter because we dont have our best defensive unit out there.

Yep.....our guard defense when grant and Gallo are on the floor is better. We lost some close games due to Jose slow lateral quickness. And when other teams know he's on the floor they tend to attack him more which opens up the floor for shooters and put backs.

Jose is the perfect pg off the bench next to Jimmer.....they might give up points but they will score points. Vs what we have now is our defense just gives up points and can't score. Jose needs to play with somebody that can penetrate. Grant is that dude. Jimmer might be that other dude....to replace Grant in the second unit.

The Triangle doesn't preclude any perimeter player from taking 3's. If you look at the spacing players are always out behind the 3pt line. It does help create shots in midrange and in the post but also at the rim. The problem isn't the damned system but the talent. We don't have a lot of 3pt shooting and even less penetrators. So these things are the main source of the problem.