Knicks · Nary a word spoken about KP slump. Is the Bubble Bursting ? (page 2)

crzymdups @ 12/14/2015 5:04 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
crzymdups wrote:He hit a wall. He'll get a second wind. Might need to limit his minutes a little bit in the coming weeks. He'll be fine.

OK Mom.

Any time you need to know anything about the NBA, I hope you know you can always ask. Don't forget to do your laundry.

GustavBahler @ 12/14/2015 5:05 PM
crzymdups wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
crzymdups wrote:He hit a wall. He'll get a second wind. Might need to limit his minutes a little bit in the coming weeks. He'll be fine.

OK Mom.

Any time you need to know anything about the NBA, I hope you know you can always ask. Don't forget to do your laundry.

You forgot to add "a big hug and some chicken soup"

mreinman @ 12/14/2015 6:12 PM
I think that he has been hiding an injury since before the draft.

I KNEW THIS WAS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE! i KNEW IT!!!

DrAlphaeus @ 12/14/2015 6:29 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
crzymdups wrote:He hit a wall. He'll get a second wind. Might need to limit his minutes a little bit in the coming weeks. He'll be fine.

OK Mom.

Any time you need to know anything about the NBA, I hope you know you can always ask. Don't forget to do your laundry.

You forgot to add "a big hug and some chicken soup"

Don't forget to take your iron pills! Did you finish your book report for Mr. Jackson?

LivingLegend @ 12/14/2015 6:43 PM
I just think KP has already shown he has SUPREME talent so a little bump in the road obviously driven by fatigue is no big deal.

Sure we all want him dominating and with every game he puts up bad stats we all might collectively worry a bit but ultimately this kid has shown SO MUCH -- lets just ride out this stretch and see how he hangs in there.

LivingLegend @ 12/14/2015 6:46 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
meloanyk wrote:Is it sacrilegious to discuss the recent mediocre play of our savior who has already been anointed as the team leader, NBA rook of year, 15 year All Star, and HOFer ??????

A few games ago while he was still playing well, I said I saw a differences in his bounce and defensive reactions and that Fischer should be careful not to overplay him. as he's still a developing rookie. The avg minutes he played in prior Euroleague years were 7, 15 and then 21 in 2014-15 yet here he was given ever increasing minutes amongst ever increasing attention, being thrown out there for 35 minutes or more several times with a high of 41 minutes agaisnt Houston. Yeh, he's the gate attraction but he's also a kid competing against a higher level of play while becoming the focus of D's and physicality given his hype and Melo's erractic play.

The minutes and travel miles accumulated and kid simply wore a bit, not only physically but also mentally given all the media and it has begun to show in many ways whether it be awkward movements, lack of rebounding or sloppy fouls.

Is the bubble bursting ??? NAH but it should be a lesson to the Knick org and fellow fans that this kid while very good should not be expected to be Superman and handle all chores in his initial year. He isnt physically ready to play 5 full time or bang for 38 minutes many nights. Fischer and the org should nurture him and manage his minutes better to keep him fresh and his development on right path. Mu guess 20-25 mins a game

We arent winning any titles this year. Glad to see Oquinn playing and being productive, his DNP's still perplex.. Jackson assembled a decent bench of frontcourt players and Fischer should be using ALL to allow KP AND a still ecovering Melo to play minutes appropiate to the schedule and their physical state.


I think I commented on that other thread of yours and, surprisingly (if I remember correctly), I was in a minority in agreeing with you about him possibly being used too much.

You can get caught up in the flush of success and not understand the consequences, but KP's play was helping us win, and it looked like we needed him on the court to be at our best. Add to this the fact that both KOQ and Williams were very up and down, and you had a situation where Fisher was willing to play KP more than any of us expected him to play

He had the strong finish vs Dallas, but he looked lethargic in the next game against Utah, showed some defensive backbone vs the Kings, but not as effective on offense, and was out of it vs Portland.

At the very least, Porzingis' minutes should be monitored.

By the way, if you look at that game chart- his two worst games in that 5 game stretch followed games where he had played 35 and 34 minutes.

This is another reason I don't want him playing the 5 -- banging with bigger more physical players and having to do our teams dirty work.

Let the kid stay at the 4 and let him be free to roam around grabbing boards, blocking shots...etc. No need to force feed him into a nightly battle with the leagues centers. Allow him to have the physical mis-match rather than forcing him to use his lower-body to keep guys off the boards and the post.

meloanyk @ 12/14/2015 7:00 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
meloanyk wrote:Is it sacrilegious to discuss the recent mediocre play of our savior who has already been anointed as the team leader, NBA rook of year, 15 year All Star, and HOFer ??????

A few games ago while he was still playing well, I said I saw a differences in his bounce and defensive reactions and that Fischer should be careful not to overplay him. as he's still a developing rookie. The avg minutes he played in prior Euroleague years were 7, 15 and then 21 in 2014-15 yet here he was given ever increasing minutes amongst ever increasing attention, being thrown out there for 35 minutes or more several times with a high of 41 minutes agaisnt Houston. Yeh, he's the gate attraction but he's also a kid competing against a higher level of play while becoming the focus of D's and physicality given his hype and Melo's erractic play.

The minutes and travel miles accumulated and kid simply wore a bit, not only physically but also mentally given all the media and it has begun to show in many ways whether it be awkward movements, lack of rebounding or sloppy fouls.

Is the bubble bursting ??? NAH but it should be a lesson to the Knick org and fellow fans that this kid while very good should not be expected to be Superman and handle all chores in his initial year. He isnt physically ready to play 5 full time or bang for 38 minutes many nights. Fischer and the org should nurture him and manage his minutes better to keep him fresh and his development on right path. Mu guess 20-25 mins a game

We arent winning any titles this year. Glad to see Oquinn playing and being productive, his DNP's still perplex.. Jackson assembled a decent bench of frontcourt players and Fischer should be using ALL to allow KP AND a still ecovering Melo to play minutes appropiate to the schedule and their physical state.


I think I commented on that other thread of yours and, surprisingly (if I remember correctly), I was in a minority in agreeing with you about him possibly being used too much.

You can get caught up in the flush of success and not understand the consequences, but KP's play was helping us win, and it looked like we needed him on the court to be at our best. Add to this the fact that both KOQ and Williams were very up and down, and you had a situation where Fisher was willing to play KP more than any of us expected him to play

He had the strong finish vs Dallas, but he looked lethargic in the next game against Utah, showed some defensive backbone vs the Kings, but not as effective on offense, and was out of it vs Portland.

At the very least, Porzingis' minutes should be monitored.

By the way, if you look at that game chart- his two worst games in that 5 game stretch followed games where he had played 35 and 34 minutes.

This is another reason I don't want him playing the 5 -- banging with bigger more physical players and having to do our teams dirty work.

Let the kid stay at the 4 and let him be free to roam around grabbing boards, blocking shots...etc. No need to force feed him into a nightly battle with the leagues centers. Allow him to have the physical mis-match rather than forcing him to use his lower-body to keep guys off the boards and the post.


Agreed. Coaches should see the obvious and guard to keep him fresh. Even at the 4, the plan of some opponents depending on their personnel will be to wear him down. Playing 35 mins agaisnt that approach will be taxing if there is a succession of them as the wise Longmire pointed out
herkyJerky @ 12/15/2015 1:49 PM
Yeah, playing KP at the 5 for extended minutes at this point would probably be a bad idea. Let him get used to the long grind of the NBA season before we start giving him more minutes in that role.
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