Knicks · Brandon Jennings on the Trading Block; possible Trade Target? (page 2)

Jennings??? He might entertain for a few weeks with some passes and threes but he does not fit Jackson's pg profile. Im hazy on Grant but he fits the profile and will be given time to develop. His struggles are not unique , look no further than Rozier with Celts. Berman? If Grant got traded it would be in a package for a player of more substance than Jennings.

On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Jefferson don't play D, is 30 (31 in January) and just got suspended for smokin weed too much. He'll get a 3-4 contract from a team that is desperate for a big but I don't think it'll be NY. Rolo, KOQ, KP and Willy; Knicks need guards and elite talent.

franco12 wrote:maybe he could find a more mature shot selection this year - but then he may get paid big $.

I don't see him as a good fit- as much as I'd want his physical skills, we don't need a PG shooting under 40% when we already have one volume shooter in that territory

Jeremy Lin & Alexy Shved were the PGs Phil should have brought in.

A.Shved is the one i'm missing. He would be a lot of help with this team with the way he gets to the basket and gets to the free throw line.

I liked Shved.

helloharv wrote:what other PG are on the block?

There will be plenty of not only PG's but players on the block around the trade deadline and the good thing is we finally have players that other teams would want which we haven't had in a while. Just don't trade any draft picks or at least don't trade any 1st round draft picks.

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Hellz no to Al.Jefferson.

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Jefferson don't play D, is 30 (31 in January) and just got suspended for smokin weed too much. He'll get a 3-4 contract from a team that is desperate for a big but I don't think it'll be NY. Rolo, KOQ, KP and Willy; Knicks need guards and elite talent.

If the price is right he would be a major upgrade over KOQ though and take a ton of pressure off of KP and Lopez to produce. KP and Lopez both play defense well to cover him, 16pts and double teams is exactly what we need. He blks some shots as well.

Wasn't it said that Willy G might stay overseas as he gets more money if he comes in like 2 yrs rather then next yr?

Also just throwing out options.

newyorknewyork wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Jefferson don't play D, is 30 (31 in January) and just got suspended for smokin weed too much. He'll get a 3-4 contract from a team that is desperate for a big but I don't think it'll be NY. Rolo, KOQ, KP and Willy; Knicks need guards and elite talent.

If the price is right he would be a major upgrade over KOQ though and take a ton of pressure off of KP and Lopez to produce. KP and Lopez both play defense well to cover him, 16pts and double teams is exactly what we need. He blks some shots as well.

Wasn't it said that Willy G might stay overseas as he gets more money if he comes in like 2 yrs rather then next yr?

Also just throwing out options.

No thanks to Al Jefferson - if you watch a Charlotte game this year (once he is back from suspension) - they barely play him in the 4th quarter at all. They're transitioning away from him.

Charlotte is transitioning away from Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Al Jefferson. Zeller is playing more at the 5. Hawes is at the 5. And Frank the Tank will one day be putting up 28ppg and 14rpg.

A lot of people saying that MKG and Jefferson being out/minimized has really helped that team.

crzymdups wrote:I don't see Jennings fitting here. I can't see Phil wanting him for the Triangle.

Point guards are at an absolute premium around the league though. It's going to be tough to upgrade the position outside of a draft pick, I think. Conley is going to get $20M from Memphis or someone.

Jennings is a lefty and similar in size to Fisher. But Jennings lacks the leadership qualities of Fisher.

I still dont see the downfall of adding Fisher, if his contract expires next year. Wouldn't this be a good time to try and dump Calderon's contract, which gives us more needed cap space next year?

With his achilles injury, he will be less likely to take over games, which was one of his negatives. But his jumper will improve.....Thats one thing about this injury, if you were a good shooter before, then your set shot will be even better, if you trained properly. Look at Mathews in Dallas....His jumper is still solid, if not better. He's just less explosive.

newyorker4ever wrote:

franco12 wrote:maybe he could find a more mature shot selection this year - but then he may get paid big $.

I don't see him as a good fit- as much as I'd want his physical skills, we don't need a PG shooting under 40% when we already have one volume shooter in that territory

Jeremy Lin & Alexy Shved were the PGs Phil should have brought in.

A.Shved is the one i'm missing. He would be a lot of help with this team with the way he gets to the basket and gets to the free throw line.

besides the height difference, what does Shved bring that differs from Jennings?

crzymdups wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Jefferson don't play D, is 30 (31 in January) and just got suspended for smokin weed too much. He'll get a 3-4 contract from a team that is desperate for a big but I don't think it'll be NY. Rolo, KOQ, KP and Willy; Knicks need guards and elite talent.

If the price is right he would be a major upgrade over KOQ though and take a ton of pressure off of KP and Lopez to produce. KP and Lopez both play defense well to cover him, 16pts and double teams is exactly what we need. He blks some shots as well.

Wasn't it said that Willy G might stay overseas as he gets more money if he comes in like 2 yrs rather then next yr?

Also just throwing out options.

No thanks to Al Jefferson - if you watch a Charlotte game this year (once he is back from suspension) - they barely play him in the 4th quarter at all. They're transitioning away from him.

Charlotte is transitioning away from Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Al Jefferson. Zeller is playing more at the 5. Hawes is at the 5. And Frank the Tank will one day be putting up 28ppg and 14rpg.

A lot of people saying that MKG and Jefferson being out/minimized has really helped that team.

They gave MKG a huge contract extension before he had a season ending injury they probably view him as a player who can develop a 3pt shot and be a defensive stretch 4.

We play the triangle though, we aren't the Bobcats. Our system works better with guys like Al. Again it depends on price though.

crzymdups wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Jefferson don't play D, is 30 (31 in January) and just got suspended for smokin weed too much. He'll get a 3-4 contract from a team that is desperate for a big but I don't think it'll be NY. Rolo, KOQ, KP and Willy; Knicks need guards and elite talent.

If the price is right he would be a major upgrade over KOQ though and take a ton of pressure off of KP and Lopez to produce. KP and Lopez both play defense well to cover him, 16pts and double teams is exactly what we need. He blks some shots as well.

Wasn't it said that Willy G might stay overseas as he gets more money if he comes in like 2 yrs rather then next yr?

Also just throwing out options.

No thanks to Al Jefferson - if you watch a Charlotte game this year (once he is back from suspension) - they barely play him in the 4th quarter at all. They're transitioning away from him.

Charlotte is transitioning away from Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Al Jefferson. Zeller is playing more at the 5. Hawes is at the 5. And Frank the Tank will one day be putting up 28ppg and 14rpg.

A lot of people saying that MKG and Jefferson being out/minimized has really helped that team.

transitioning away from MKG? He's just hurt, isn't he? I thought they were really looking forward to having him this year.

Jennings had better 3pt numbers, is quicker and faster than shved plus his ws/48 shows him to be around avg which was better than Shved career numbers I believe.

newyorknewyork wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Jefferson don't play D, is 30 (31 in January) and just got suspended for smokin weed too much. He'll get a 3-4 contract from a team that is desperate for a big but I don't think it'll be NY. Rolo, KOQ, KP and Willy; Knicks need guards and elite talent.

If the price is right he would be a major upgrade over KOQ though and take a ton of pressure off of KP and Lopez to produce. KP and Lopez both play defense well to cover him, 16pts and double teams is exactly what we need. He blks some shots as well.

Wasn't it said that Willy G might stay overseas as he gets more money if he comes in like 2 yrs rather then next yr?

Also just throwing out options.

Charlotte has been playing better with him getting fewer, or no, minutes.

Sounds like this is the second time he's been suspended for substance abuse.

Read into this what you want, but I would think there is little chance of the Knicks picking him up unless it is a non-guaranteed minimum contract of some sort or another.

newyorker4ever wrote:

franco12 wrote:maybe he could find a more mature shot selection this year - but then he may get paid big $.

I don't see him as a good fit- as much as I'd want his physical skills, we don't need a PG shooting under 40% when we already have one volume shooter in that territory

Jeremy Lin & Alexy Shved were the PGs Phil should have brought in.

A.Shved is the one i'm missing. He would be a lot of help with this team with the way he gets to the basket and gets to the free throw line.

Agree brutal brutal miscalculation there--why not sign Scheved for what was pennies?

yellowboy90 wrote:Jennings had better 3pt numbers, is quicker and faster than shved plus his ws/48 shows him to be around avg which was better than Shved career numbers I believe.

so calderones impact on kp doesn't play a factor. you think Jennings is a better locker room guy than calderon? Jennings character does not fit with this group by far.

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

franco12 wrote:maybe he could find a more mature shot selection this year - but then he may get paid big $.

I don't see him as a good fit- as much as I'd want his physical skills, we don't need a PG shooting under 40% when we already have one volume shooter in that territory

Jeremy Lin & Alexy Shved were the PGs Phil should have brought in.

A.Shved is the one i'm missing. He would be a lot of help with this team with the way he gets to the basket and gets to the free throw line.

Agree brutal brutal miscalculation there--why not sign Scheved for what was pennies?

My guess is the thought that he wasn't that much of a long-term upgrade and it would take minutes away from Grant, Gallo.

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

franco12 wrote:maybe he could find a more mature shot selection this year - but then he may get paid big $.

I don't see him as a good fit- as much as I'd want his physical skills, we don't need a PG shooting under 40% when we already have one volume shooter in that territory

Jeremy Lin & Alexy Shved were the PGs Phil should have brought in.

A.Shved is the one i'm missing. He would be a lot of help with this team with the way he gets to the basket and gets to the free throw line.

Agree brutal brutal miscalculation there--why not sign Scheved for what was pennies?

My guess is the thought that he wasn't that much of a long-term upgrade and it would take minutes away from Grant, Gallo.

I thought it was about Gallo n Grant. They have had some struggles so it's made it more glaring that they didn't keep Shved. If G&G had kept playing well as they started off early this season it wouldn't be an issue. I still see G&G eventually being good for this team. It's just taking longer than the Knicks hoped.

Ish Smith

IF We can sign him on a cap friendly contract, could be anywhere from vet min to backup PG price but has shown he can produce with a double double threat and even triple double threats, with pair of 3pters and steals

IMO, Ish Smith would be a great addition for the likely price tag who has shown that he could produce on a high level on a crap team with Philly last season then this year for the Pelicans when they had many injuries to their guards
In terms of bang for the buck, he could also help Grant develop as Ish has figured out how to play in the league and develop his body

I like Mike Conley as well but with Dragic setting the price tag at about 20m for TOP/2nd tier PG's and the rise of the cap, we NEED GREAT VALUE players as well
There could be many different directions the Knicks could go in building and developing the roster

At worst, I believe he would be a chance of pace PG and would flourish with KP in a PnR system with shooters to spread the floor, as a solid backup
Calderon like Galloway, needs to play with more playmakers that could penetrate/facilitate or HIGHLY efficient POST PLAYERS for the team to initiate the OFFENSE through
Monta Ellis was used to pair with Calderon in Dallas, Lance Stephenson could work like he did with George Hill (as they signed Monta Ellis with the same philosophy)
Like Lance Stephenson PJ Hairston is another combo guard/forward that Phil Jackson had interest in with our 2nd rounders that we drafted CleANTHONY and Thanasis wit in the same draft

There likely will be cheap options
Some younger gambles include that would be RFA's

Tony Wroten
Russ Smith
Tyler Johnson

Spencer Dwinwidee
Norris Cole/Delly *the Curry STOPPER prior to cramps*

Isiah Cannon

or go with some cheap options

Ty Lawson
DJ Augustine
Bayless

Evan Turner
Vasquez, which was a triple double threat on a nightly basis with Anthony Davis a couple years back (as a SG but with playmakers and other players that could penetrate)

Lin

Aaron Brooks
E'Twaun Moore

Ian Clark
Harrison Brothers and the Duke PG
combo guard from Brazil
Mike James

Possibly the BEST LAST PICK EVER in ALL SPORTS PERIOD, Isiah Thomas II
Looking back, Isiah Thomas is a SMALL PG, however, so is CP3, and their ability to penetrate/facilitate/push tempo improves a team much than their lack of size is a myth to being a weakness

Alexi got a three year 10mil contract in Moscow and being native some great marketing opportunities.
while a nice player IM not sure we want tie that up. We got KOQ for the same money (about). We needed size.