Knicks · Brandon Jennings on the Trading Block; possible Trade Target? (page 3)

Alexi got a three year 10mil contract in Moscow and being native some great marketing opportunities.
while a nice player IM not sure we want tie that up. We got KOQ for the same money (about). We needed size.

I don't see Phil wanting to prioritize any of the short PG's. He is always thinking about the defensive versatility of his guards. If he can get a good PG who also has decent size and length then he will prefer that over a shorter PG. Of course there are exceptions, but his tendency is toward the Combo guard with size. Phil would love a kid like Shaun Livingston.

Brandon Jennings is actually not a tall PG but he's so quick and aggressive that I could see Phil not having a big problem with him. Only thing is the health issue. Is Jennings too frail?

Not signing Shved was a mistake but also not taking a look at Jeremy Lin. Either of those guards would've been a major plus for this team. they are big attacking PG's.

A few weeks ago we were ok with Galloway. We assume we get Lin the good back up in Charlotte or the frustrated overpaid one that was in Houstan.
We assume Schved on this balanced roster would be the same as the "we so bad we let Schved take over" roster of last year.
bringing in a a guy with short term contract is disruptive. Jennings needs to prove his health and while him motivated is a good thing, I just don't see interrupting the current roster is worth it for an undersized guard with shooting supsects and not a defensive presence.

At the same time I don't want minutes taken from gallo or Grant. If Gallo can't play thru it then we might let him go. Grant can't be close to us giving up on him.

Nalod wrote:Alexi got a three year 10mil contract in Moscow and being native some great marketing opportunities.
while a nice player IM not sure we want tie that up. We got KOQ for the same money (about). We needed size.

I think we took Seraphin, not KOQ, over Shved. And tbh, I WISH we still had Shved.

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Al Jefferson value is probably pretty crappy. Teams (smart ones) don't really care anymore for his type of player. Look how much better Charlotte is without him. I have been ragging on him and his type for years.

crzymdups wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Jefferson don't play D, is 30 (31 in January) and just got suspended for smokin weed too much. He'll get a 3-4 contract from a team that is desperate for a big but I don't think it'll be NY. Rolo, KOQ, KP and Willy; Knicks need guards and elite talent.

If the price is right he would be a major upgrade over KOQ though and take a ton of pressure off of KP and Lopez to produce. KP and Lopez both play defense well to cover him, 16pts and double teams is exactly what we need. He blks some shots as well.

Wasn't it said that Willy G might stay overseas as he gets more money if he comes in like 2 yrs rather then next yr?

Also just throwing out options.

No thanks to Al Jefferson - if you watch a Charlotte game this year (once he is back from suspension) - they barely play him in the 4th quarter at all. They're transitioning away from him.

Charlotte is transitioning away from Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Al Jefferson. Zeller is playing more at the 5. Hawes is at the 5. And Frank the Tank will one day be putting up 28ppg and 14rpg.

A lot of people saying that MKG and Jefferson being out/minimized has really helped that team.

JVG on the the Z Lowe podcast.

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Jefferson don't play D, is 30 (31 in January) and just got suspended for smokin weed too much. He'll get a 3-4 contract from a team that is desperate for a big but I don't think it'll be NY. Rolo, KOQ, KP and Willy; Knicks need guards and elite talent.

If the price is right he would be a major upgrade over KOQ though and take a ton of pressure off of KP and Lopez to produce. KP and Lopez both play defense well to cover him, 16pts and double teams is exactly what we need. He blks some shots as well.

Wasn't it said that Willy G might stay overseas as he gets more money if he comes in like 2 yrs rather then next yr?

Also just throwing out options.

No thanks to Al Jefferson - if you watch a Charlotte game this year (once he is back from suspension) - they barely play him in the 4th quarter at all. They're transitioning away from him.

Charlotte is transitioning away from Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Al Jefferson. Zeller is playing more at the 5. Hawes is at the 5. And Frank the Tank will one day be putting up 28ppg and 14rpg.

A lot of people saying that MKG and Jefferson being out/minimized has really helped that team.

They gave MKG a huge contract extension before he had a season ending injury they probably view him as a player who can develop a 3pt shot and be a defensive stretch 4.

We play the triangle though, we aren't the Bobcats. Our system works better with guys like Al. Again it depends on price though.

how wonderful!

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Jefferson don't play D, is 30 (31 in January) and just got suspended for smokin weed too much. He'll get a 3-4 contract from a team that is desperate for a big but I don't think it'll be NY. Rolo, KOQ, KP and Willy; Knicks need guards and elite talent.

If the price is right he would be a major upgrade over KOQ though and take a ton of pressure off of KP and Lopez to produce. KP and Lopez both play defense well to cover him, 16pts and double teams is exactly what we need. He blks some shots as well.

Wasn't it said that Willy G might stay overseas as he gets more money if he comes in like 2 yrs rather then next yr?

Also just throwing out options.

No thanks to Al Jefferson - if you watch a Charlotte game this year (once he is back from suspension) - they barely play him in the 4th quarter at all. They're transitioning away from him.

Charlotte is transitioning away from Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Al Jefferson. Zeller is playing more at the 5. Hawes is at the 5. And Frank the Tank will one day be putting up 28ppg and 14rpg.

A lot of people saying that MKG and Jefferson being out/minimized has really helped that team.

They gave MKG a huge contract extension before he had a season ending injury they probably view him as a player who can develop a 3pt shot and be a defensive stretch 4.

We play the triangle though, we aren't the Bobcats. Our system works better with guys like Al. Again it depends on price though.

how wonderful!

Playing Triangle as a base doesn't mean you can't play fast!!! No need for Al Jefferson. We have enough Post scoring at this point. We need a penetrating PG much more than another Post player. We actually just saw that this team can play more uptempo than they have been. If you want to push the ball and get easy buckets then you really don't want to add an Al Jefferson. We aren't going in that direction from what I can tell. I think it was clear in the way Fish approached the last game that he wants to go with a quicker lineup and style of play. Adding a quick PG will only help make it more possible for this team to play faster.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Jefferson don't play D, is 30 (31 in January) and just got suspended for smokin weed too much. He'll get a 3-4 contract from a team that is desperate for a big but I don't think it'll be NY. Rolo, KOQ, KP and Willy; Knicks need guards and elite talent.

If the price is right he would be a major upgrade over KOQ though and take a ton of pressure off of KP and Lopez to produce. KP and Lopez both play defense well to cover him, 16pts and double teams is exactly what we need. He blks some shots as well.

Wasn't it said that Willy G might stay overseas as he gets more money if he comes in like 2 yrs rather then next yr?

Also just throwing out options.

No thanks to Al Jefferson - if you watch a Charlotte game this year (once he is back from suspension) - they barely play him in the 4th quarter at all. They're transitioning away from him.

Charlotte is transitioning away from Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Al Jefferson. Zeller is playing more at the 5. Hawes is at the 5. And Frank the Tank will one day be putting up 28ppg and 14rpg.

A lot of people saying that MKG and Jefferson being out/minimized has really helped that team.

They gave MKG a huge contract extension before he had a season ending injury they probably view him as a player who can develop a 3pt shot and be a defensive stretch 4.

We play the triangle though, we aren't the Bobcats. Our system works better with guys like Al. Again it depends on price though.

how wonderful!

Playing Triangle as a base doesn't mean you can't play fast!!! No need for Al Jefferson. We have enough Post scoring at this point. We need a penetrating PG much more than another Post player. We actually just saw that this team can play more uptempo than they have been. If you want to push the ball and get easy buckets then you really don't want to add an Al Jefferson. We aren't going in that direction from what I can tell. I think it was clear in the way Fish approached the last game that he wants to go with a quicker lineup and style of play. Adding a quick PG will only help make it more possible for this team to play faster.

I hope your right and I believe that you are right.

I don't know but I am warming up the the jennings idea. If he can stay healthy then he can really help us.

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Al Jefferson value is probably pretty crappy. Teams (smart ones) don't really care anymore for his type of player. Look how much better Charlotte is without him. I have been ragging on him and his type for years.

There is still a role in the NBA for players like Al though. He is just no longer your cornerstone piece. Bring him in as a rotational big between KP and Lopez within the triangle could work well. We would have different ways we could attack since KP is versatile enough to score from anywhere or play with anyone.

Some games we would be successful using AL to beat up on players, some games we would be successful spreading the court out with shooters, some games we would need twin towers of Lopez and KP to play great defense, etc.. Would like to have as much quality options as possible to adapt or attack any many different ways depending on need.

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Al Jefferson value is probably pretty crappy. Teams (smart ones) don't really care anymore for his type of player. Look how much better Charlotte is without him. I have been ragging on him and his type for years.

There is still a role in the NBA for players like Al though. He is just no longer your cornerstone piece. Bring him in as a rotational big between KP and Lopez within the triangle could work well. We would have different ways we could attack since KP is versatile enough to score from anywhere or play with anyone.

Some games we would be successful using AL to beat up on players, some games we would be successful spreading the court out with shooters, some games we would need twin towers of Lopez and KP to play great defense, etc.. Would like to have as much quality options as possible to adapt or attack any many different ways depending on need.

so what does he bring us other than a mental problem and no defense? He can only post. We don't need that and he is probably way too dum to learn the triangle.

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Al Jefferson value is probably pretty crappy. Teams (smart ones) don't really care anymore for his type of player. Look how much better Charlotte is without him. I have been ragging on him and his type for years.

There is still a role in the NBA for players like Al though. He is just no longer your cornerstone piece. Bring him in as a rotational big between KP and Lopez within the triangle could work well. We would have different ways we could attack since KP is versatile enough to score from anywhere or play with anyone.

Some games we would be successful using AL to beat up on players, some games we would be successful spreading the court out with shooters, some games we would need twin towers of Lopez and KP to play great defense, etc.. Would like to have as much quality options as possible to adapt or attack any many different ways depending on need.

so what does he bring us other than a mental problem and no defense? He can only post. We don't need that and he is probably way too dum to learn the triangle.

I don't remember Al having a history of mental problems, I could be mistaken though as I haven't followed his career in detail. Him being able to produce in the post frees up KP and Lopez. He also rebounds pretty well, his defensive rating this yr is 99 which is very good. And has been at 100 the last 2 yrs. Which doesn't make him out to be the no defense player you are making him out to be.

We already have stretch 4s a 5 with Melo, Williams, KP. We would have a full compliment of pieces to go big or small and attack in various ways.

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Al Jefferson value is probably pretty crappy. Teams (smart ones) don't really care anymore for his type of player. Look how much better Charlotte is without him. I have been ragging on him and his type for years.

There is still a role in the NBA for players like Al though. He is just no longer your cornerstone piece. Bring him in as a rotational big between KP and Lopez within the triangle could work well. We would have different ways we could attack since KP is versatile enough to score from anywhere or play with anyone.

Some games we would be successful using AL to beat up on players, some games we would be successful spreading the court out with shooters, some games we would need twin towers of Lopez and KP to play great defense, etc.. Would like to have as much quality options as possible to adapt or attack any many different ways depending on need.

so what does he bring us other than a mental problem and no defense? He can only post. We don't need that and he is probably way too dum to learn the triangle.

I don't remember Al having a history of mental problems, I could be mistaken though as I haven't followed his career in detail. Him being able to produce in the post frees up KP and Lopez. He also rebounds pretty well, his defensive rating this yr is 99 which is very good. And has been at 100 the last 2 yrs. Which doesn't make him out to be the no defense player you are making him out to be.

We already have stretch 4s a 5 with Melo, Williams, KP. We would have a full compliment of pieces to go big or small and attack in various ways.

He slows down the game. He is worth much less then his type was worth a few years ago.

If we want to play fast then he is not the guy who should be on the court. If we want to slow it down to play old school then is Al the guy who is going to be passing out of the triangle posts and make all those reads? Don't see it. I think that he is worth 8 million per at this point.

Er, are we really going to pretend that he didn't suffer one of the most serious basketball injuries, which no player has ever really recovered from without greatly diminished speed and athleticism? And as player who is completely reliant on his athleticism I don't get the logic at all.

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:On a side note, Al Jefferson will probably be available this off season at a good price since most teams are moving toward small ball. If your start with Al and KP through the tri, then Lopez and KP in spread PNR it could work.

Jefferson don't play D, is 30 (31 in January) and just got suspended for smokin weed too much. He'll get a 3-4 contract from a team that is desperate for a big but I don't think it'll be NY. Rolo, KOQ, KP and Willy; Knicks need guards and elite talent.

If the price is right he would be a major upgrade over KOQ though and take a ton of pressure off of KP and Lopez to produce. KP and Lopez both play defense well to cover him, 16pts and double teams is exactly what we need. He blks some shots as well.

Wasn't it said that Willy G might stay overseas as he gets more money if he comes in like 2 yrs rather then next yr?

Also just throwing out options.

No thanks to Al Jefferson - if you watch a Charlotte game this year (once he is back from suspension) - they barely play him in the 4th quarter at all. They're transitioning away from him.

Charlotte is transitioning away from Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Al Jefferson. Zeller is playing more at the 5. Hawes is at the 5. And Frank the Tank will one day be putting up 28ppg and 14rpg.

A lot of people saying that MKG and Jefferson being out/minimized has really helped that team.

JVG on the the Z Lowe podcast.

haha, oh yeah, I knew I heard it somewhere.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Playing Triangle as a base doesn't mean you can't play fast!!! No need for Al Jefferson. We have enough Post scoring at this point. We need a penetrating PG much more than another Post player. We actually just saw that this team can play more uptempo than they have been. If you want to push the ball and get easy buckets then you really don't want to add an Al Jefferson. We aren't going in that direction from what I can tell. I think it was clear in the way Fish approached the last game that he wants to go with a quicker lineup and style of play. Adding a quick PG will only help make it more possible for this team to play faster.

I hope your right and I believe that you are right.

I don't know but I am warming up the the jennings idea. If he can stay healthy then he can really help us.

I have always liked Jennings as a player. I watched his 55pt game in his rookie season... back then it seemed like he had a fantastic mid-range jumper.

Just looked at his stats and last season was actually one of his most efficient seasons.

If Phil thinks Jennings would fit what they want at PG, it'd be interesting. Certainly the penetration we lack.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Playing Triangle as a base doesn't mean you can't play fast!!! No need for Al Jefferson. We have enough Post scoring at this point. We need a penetrating PG much more than another Post player. We actually just saw that this team can play more uptempo than they have been. If you want to push the ball and get easy buckets then you really don't want to add an Al Jefferson. We aren't going in that direction from what I can tell. I think it was clear in the way Fish approached the last game that he wants to go with a quicker lineup and style of play. Adding a quick PG will only help make it more possible for this team to play faster.

I hope your right and I believe that you are right.

I don't know but I am warming up the the jennings idea. If he can stay healthy then he can really help us.

I have always liked Jennings as a player. I watched his 55pt game in his rookie season... back then it seemed like he had a fantastic mid-range jumper.

Just looked at his stats and last season was actually one of his most efficient seasons.

If Phil thinks Jennings would fit what they want at PG, it'd be interesting. Certainly the penetration we lack.

I noticed last year was his best as well... I never liked his game. Biased after he trashed the KNicks after the draft but damn, that career FG% is vomitous

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Playing Triangle as a base doesn't mean you can't play fast!!! No need for Al Jefferson. We have enough Post scoring at this point. We need a penetrating PG much more than another Post player. We actually just saw that this team can play more uptempo than they have been. If you want to push the ball and get easy buckets then you really don't want to add an Al Jefferson. We aren't going in that direction from what I can tell. I think it was clear in the way Fish approached the last game that he wants to go with a quicker lineup and style of play. Adding a quick PG will only help make it more possible for this team to play faster.

I hope your right and I believe that you are right.

I don't know but I am warming up the the jennings idea. If he can stay healthy then he can really help us.

I have always liked Jennings as a player. I watched his 55pt game in his rookie season... back then it seemed like he had a fantastic mid-range jumper.

Just looked at his stats and last season was actually one of his most efficient seasons.

If Phil thinks Jennings would fit what they want at PG, it'd be interesting. Certainly the penetration we lack.

I noticed last year was his best as well... I never liked his game. Biased after he trashed the KNicks after the draft but damn, that career FG% is vomitous

His TS last year was very respectable for PG that can do other things. It would suck for Jose who's only trait is his shooting efficiency.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Playing Triangle as a base doesn't mean you can't play fast!!! No need for Al Jefferson. We have enough Post scoring at this point. We need a penetrating PG much more than another Post player. We actually just saw that this team can play more uptempo than they have been. If you want to push the ball and get easy buckets then you really don't want to add an Al Jefferson. We aren't going in that direction from what I can tell. I think it was clear in the way Fish approached the last game that he wants to go with a quicker lineup and style of play. Adding a quick PG will only help make it more possible for this team to play faster.

I hope your right and I believe that you are right.

I don't know but I am warming up the the jennings idea. If he can stay healthy then he can really help us.

I have always liked Jennings as a player. I watched his 55pt game in his rookie season... back then it seemed like he had a fantastic mid-range jumper.

Just looked at his stats and last season was actually one of his most efficient seasons.

If Phil thinks Jennings would fit what they want at PG, it'd be interesting. Certainly the penetration we lack.

I noticed last year was his best as well... I never liked his game. Biased after he trashed the KNicks after the draft but damn, that career FG% is vomitous

His TS last year was very respectable for PG that can do other things. It would suck for Jose who's only trait is his shooting efficiency.

half season, close to or at career shooting highs, played the fewest minutes of his career... last year looks good on paper but too much of a one off for my taste. Especially off an injury. Has disaster written all over it

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Playing Triangle as a base doesn't mean you can't play fast!!! No need for Al Jefferson. We have enough Post scoring at this point. We need a penetrating PG much more than another Post player. We actually just saw that this team can play more uptempo than they have been. If you want to push the ball and get easy buckets then you really don't want to add an Al Jefferson. We aren't going in that direction from what I can tell. I think it was clear in the way Fish approached the last game that he wants to go with a quicker lineup and style of play. Adding a quick PG will only help make it more possible for this team to play faster.

I hope your right and I believe that you are right.

I don't know but I am warming up the the jennings idea. If he can stay healthy then he can really help us.

I have always liked Jennings as a player. I watched his 55pt game in his rookie season... back then it seemed like he had a fantastic mid-range jumper.

Just looked at his stats and last season was actually one of his most efficient seasons.

If Phil thinks Jennings would fit what they want at PG, it'd be interesting. Certainly the penetration we lack.

I noticed last year was his best as well... I never liked his game. Biased after he trashed the KNicks after the draft but damn, that career FG% is vomitous

His TS last year was very respectable for PG that can do other things. It would suck for Jose who's only trait is his shooting efficiency.

half season, close to or at career shooting highs, played the fewest minutes of his career... last year looks good on paper but too much of a one off for my taste. Especially off an injury. Has disaster written all over it

he expires this coming summer... if we could do something low cost like Calderon and Seraphin for him... I'd consider it. I don't know if I see Stan Van Gundy wanting those two though.

The team Detroit is building pace and space style... they might consider Derrick Williams... which I would think about. With Lance Thomas coming on and Early still in the wings, that's something I'd consider in terms of taking a long look at Jennings.

But I just tend to think he would not be a good Triangle fit and I would be surprised if Phil was all that interested.

I get the feeling that Jennings coming to NY would be a reboot (drama and all) of The Marbury trade.