Honestly? Neither. I don't like Rondo as a player because he's a headcase and Conley is too old to pay a 4-year contract to. I'd rather go for Batum this offseason.
y2zipper wrote:Honestly? Neither. I don't like Rondo as a player because he's a headcase and Conley is too old to pay a 4-year contract to. I'd rather go for Batum this offseason.
batum to play what position? the 2? Move afflalo to the bench? The 3? Move Melo to the four?
y2zipper wrote:Honestly? Neither. I don't like Rondo as a player because he's a headcase and Conley is too old to pay a 4-year contract to. I'd rather go for Batum this offseason.
I don't disagree but Batum is 27 and Conley is 28. Only 1 year difference, yet one is "too old" and the other is just right?
mreinman wrote:y2zipper wrote:Honestly? Neither. I don't like Rondo as a player because he's a headcase and Conley is too old to pay a 4-year contract to. I'd rather go for Batum this offseason.
batum to play what position? the 2? Move afflalo to the bench? The 3? Move Melo to the four?
Batum would likely play the 2 with Afflalo at 6th man, plus you would have the opportunity to play smaller with KP at the 5, Melo 4, Batum 3, and Afflalo 2.
Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:y2zipper wrote:Honestly? Neither. I don't like Rondo as a player because he's a headcase and Conley is too old to pay a 4-year contract to. I'd rather go for Batum this offseason.
batum to play what position? the 2? Move afflalo to the bench? The 3? Move Melo to the four?
Batum would likely play the 2 with Afflalo at 6th man, plus you would have the opportunity to play smaller with KP at the 5, Melo 4, Batum 3, and Afflalo 2.
Would be great but we need a PG desperately. Looks like we make have effed up on shved in a big way.
mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:y2zipper wrote:Honestly? Neither. I don't like Rondo as a player because he's a headcase and Conley is too old to pay a 4-year contract to. I'd rather go for Batum this offseason.
batum to play what position? the 2? Move afflalo to the bench? The 3? Move Melo to the four?
Batum would likely play the 2 with Afflalo at 6th man, plus you would have the opportunity to play smaller with KP at the 5, Melo 4, Batum 3, and Afflalo 2.
Would be great but we need a PG desperately. Looks like we make have effed up on shved in a big way.
Shved isn't a long-term answer though, and there's a reason no other team offered him a contract. We need to solve this problem via free agency, unless we think Grant will be ready by next season. We can't go on with Calderon starting next season. I like both Batum and Conley, but Conley is more of a need, so he would be my first choice. At age 28, a 4-year contract takes him through his late prime, and i think that's pretty ideal for us.
Nalod wrote:
what about assists that are three pointers. Don't forget those!!!Not sure PHil agrees the PG is the most important.
Rondo is a special athlete and does things many guards can't. Driving his coach nuts is one of them.
I always thought Rondo was made to play in the Garden -- I think the fans would go bonkers with his style of play and his passing, rebounding / defense.
He was always one of my favorites but I soured on him last few years and he looked shot most of last year --- he looks better today.
Hard to give him a BIG long-term deal but for 2-3 years he might squeeze most out of Melo.
yellowboy90 wrote:Delladova and Batum
Delladova is a decent player, but I hate him so much. I want to give him a wedgie.
mreinman wrote:I worry that conley's production is declining
This -- Conley will take a much larger/longer commit --- of the 2 I think Rondo might actually be safer while allowing us to net another solid asset.
Keep RoLo/KP size -- have Melo/AA on wings -- add Rondo and one other long wing defender/scorer and BINGO we dangerous for a few seasons without jeopardizing long term tremendously. Plus you than bridge to years where we can actually start using picks again.
Rondo is basically a pure PG version of Ron Harper who Phil won with at PG.
Big, long, defends but much better IQ and passer.
mreinman wrote:y2zipper wrote:Honestly? Neither. I don't like Rondo as a player because he's a headcase and Conley is too old to pay a 4-year contract to. I'd rather go for Batum this offseason.
batum to play what position? the 2? Move afflalo to the bench? The 3? Move Melo to the four?
Batum would typically start at the 2 -- AA becomes primary bench scorer which is a legit role for him.
Against certain match-ups we could go with Batum at PG and AA at SG together. Add in Melo/KP/Rolo -- you have very long defensive team.
crzymdups wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Delladova and Batum
Delladova is a decent player, but I hate him so much. I want to give him a wedgie.
Dell is too one dimensional. We already have guys who are decent on one side of the ball. We need someone above replacement level. I'd like Batum on this roster tho. He would give us an infusion of athleticism. He can also create shots.
LivingLegend wrote:Rondo is basically a pure PG version of Ron Harper who Phil won with at PG.Big, long, defends but much better IQ and passer.
Best answer thus far. Rondo brings so much to the table, it is insane not to want that dude.
I rather play Galloway/Grant/Calderon (in that order - starter, backup, 3rd string) at PG next year and upgrade the wing positions with elite talent. I'd go into FA with the goal to add elite talent regardless of position.
With the Tri the entire flexibility is that you can bring in multiple players because the offense's positions all interchange. KP even brings the ball up sometimes and initiates. On the Lakers, Lamar Odom used to initiate. On the Bulls, Pippen.
What the team needs is more talent. This is a 35-45 win type of team talent wise. They need more talent.
Looking at the free agency list I'd look at
1-Kevin Durant (duh)
2-DeMar DeRozan
3-Nic Batum
4-Al Horford
5-Dwight Howard
6-Pau Gasol
Doubt most of those guys would sign, but any of those guys make more of an impact than Conley or Rondo. The Triangle needs a backcourt that can spread the floor. With Rondo/Conley, you won't likely get that. And Conley is used to an offense (As is Rondo) with a lot of the ball in his hands for long stretches of the game. You just don't see that with the Triangle teams that Phil has won championships with.
nyknickzingis wrote:I rather play Galloway/Grant/Calderon (in that order - starter, backup, 3rd string) at PG next year and upgrade the wing positions with elite talent. I'd go into FA with the goal to add elite talent regardless of position.With the Tri the entire flexibility is that you can bring in multiple players because the offense's positions all interchange. KP even brings the ball up sometimes and initiates. On the Lakers, Lamar Odom used to initiate. On the Bulls, Pippen.
What the team needs is more talent. This is a 35-45 win type of team talent wise. They need more talent.
Looking at the free agency list I'd look at
1-Kevin Durant (duh)
2-DeMar DeRozan
3-Nic Batum
4-Al Horford
5-Dwight Howard
6-Pau Gasol
Doubt most of those guys would sign, but any of those guys make more of an impact than Conley or Rondo. The Triangle needs a backcourt that can spread the floor. With Rondo/Conley, you won't likely get that. And Conley is used to an offense (As is Rondo) with a lot of the ball in his hands for long stretches of the game. You just don't see that with the Triangle teams that Phil has won championships with.
Like your list except for #2 DeMar, just don't like his game but really haven't watched him at all. Doesn't seem like a good enough shooter and a guy who needs the ball in his hands too much. Not good from distance. No idea on his defense.
My ideal off-season is a sign and trade for Horford that involves Rolo/KOQ for Horford and outright sign of Durant. Don't think Durant going anywhere so I'll take Batum as the next guy.
Westbrook the next offseason.
Ideally you get Batum and try to win the Westbrook sweepstakes. My plan would be Melo to the 4 almost full-time because that's where he's best. You go AA, Batum, Melo and Porzingis in the starting lineup and try to fill the void with Westbrook. That or going with Batum at the 2 and AA to the bench are good plans.
The big difference between Batum and Conley is Batum probably costs less and a 4-year deal for each is one less decline year.Batum is long, can defend and shoot, and is a good fit for what Jackson typcially looks for in a wing player. Neither player is good enough for me to pay at age 32, which is typically a player's first year of decline.
Nalod wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:Nalod wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:Nalod wrote:
what about assists that are three pointers. Don't forget those!!!Not sure PHil agrees the PG is the most important.
Rondo is a special athlete and does things many guards can't. Driving his coach nuts is one of them.
ahahahahaha, I agree that he does drive his coaches nuts, but so did Rodman. The triangle does not restrict PGs, it is not one of those systems that asks of a coach to always call plays. So, I see no reason why Rondo would not fit other then his shot making issues. Which is not really an issue, because Rondo makes it a point to attack the basket at all times.
Rodman's issues were mostly off court. Dude has 5 rings. Rondo was guided by strong leadership by three HOF alpha's.
Rondo can't shoot which makes him incompatible in our system.
Rondo can't shoot? How do you explain Calderon's numbers? Phil thought he was perfect for the triangle:)))))))
Rondo: 12.3 ppg, 10.9 apg, 6.8 rpg
Calderon: 7.0 ppg, 3.7 apg, 2.9 rpg
We not talking about Calderon. The subject was Rondo.
LOok at his % from mid to long range. Not his layups either.
PHil thought he'd be perfect? He is better than Felton. That as the upgrade. Calderones minutes shrink when others play well.
Unfortunately, he's not. In the game against the Mavs, Felton ate our lunch. He penetrated at will, and his teardrop was super effective. Our next guard must be able to penetrate, dish, shoot, and play D. Who is that person?
For the immediate future, I think the front line with Melo, Zinger, Lopez, O'Quinn and Thomas is good. New York is badly in need of perimeter talent, though.
How about trying to trade for Kemba Walker. Dude is only 25.
Rolo (same contract) & Grant may get it done.
What do you guys think about Mario Charmler or Jrue Holiday?
