Malcolm wrote:nixluva wrote:Yeah let's just start with getting this sort of performance more consistently from DWILL.
I followed the Lakers when they had Odom as the equivalent. It was painful to wait for the consistency . . . but finally he ended up 6th man of the year.
He was a starter for one of their championship runs, right? And then went back to the bench?
One big component of DWill playing well - it always seems to start when KOQ is in the game with him. They play really well off one another.
crzymdups wrote:Malcolm wrote:nixluva wrote:Yeah let's just start with getting this sort of performance more consistently from DWILL.
I followed the Lakers when they had Odom as the equivalent. It was painful to wait for the consistency . . . but finally he ended up 6th man of the year.
He was a starter for one of their championship runs, right? And then went back to the bench?
He was only starter when their were injuries (to Bynum, if I recall). He was best as a 6th man . . .
crzymdups wrote:Malcolm wrote:nixluva wrote:Yeah let's just start with getting this sort of performance more consistently from DWILL.
I followed the Lakers when they had Odom as the equivalent. It was painful to wait for the consistency . . . but finally he ended up 6th man of the year.
He was a starter for one of their championship runs, right? And then went back to the bench?
Odom was way better than DWill at rebounding, guard like duties. He was playing their Pippen role many of their years and wound up being a mix it up do a bit of everything player for them. DWill has no where near the passing ability, but he has some similarities in that he's a big forward who can handle the ball, has loads of untapped talent and as a 6th man could be a major piece.
The team cut with a purpose tonight and passed more on time! It was excellent Triangle execution and some good pace overall.
crzymdups wrote:One big component of DWill playing well - it always seems to start when KOQ is in the game with him. They play really well off one another.
I think has to do with Koq's passing ability--he is one of the guys who can really thread him a pass
As I've said before say, this team has some of the
personality elements of Bull/Laker Triangle teams.
Williams as equivalent to Odom, for example.
I'm not sure you can make too much out of that. But then again, it's not nothing, either . . .
Biggest thing tonight no iso, they keep the ball movement to the end
blkexec wrote:Fisher didn't look mechanical tonight with his subs......Good job
for a change..
great defensive game
Melo quietly 24pts / 6 ast / 6 reb
Great game for him tonight.
fitzfarm wrote:Biggest thing tonight no iso, they keep the ball movement to the end
yes (!)
knicks1248 wrote:blkexec wrote:Fisher didn't look mechanical tonight with his subs......Good job
for a change..
great defensive game
If he continues to ride the hot hand and hot team, we can start beating good teams.
Malcolm wrote:As I've said before say, this team has some of the personality elements of Bull/Laker Triangle teams.Williams as equivalent to Odom, for example.
I'm not sure you can make too much out of that. But then again, it's not nothing, either . . .
It's not a perfect roster but when they execute and use their talents properly you can see what Phil was hoping for. Now if this team can keep this level of execution on both ends they can get on a roll. The problem is consistency.
nixluva wrote:It's not a perfect roster but when they execute and use their talents properly you can see what Phil was hoping for.
exactly (if you're a Triangle admirer . . .)
blkexec wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:blkexec wrote:ScoreBot wrote:4Q - 3:15
NYK 100 DET 87
I sound like a broken record....but I said this should be the starting unit from the beginning of the season, with KP off the bench. We would've been in the playoff hunt from the very beginning. KP and Grant would've developed together off the bench running PnR plays.
Jose
AA or LT
D.Will
Melo
Rolo
No way, KP has been instrumental in so many Knick wins early on and is still a major factor on D, an area where DWill is a huge ???
The problem has been Fisher hasn't used Williams enough off the bench - instead has even used Quinn at 4, instead of DWill. To their credit part of it was to get DWill to play harder and better on D which he has been. I've been really impressed. But this should be our rotation IMO - the exact same we saw tonight maybe minus Quinn at backup 5, maybe slide Zinger there.Lopez/Porzingis/Quinn
Porzingis/Williams
Melo/Thomas
Afflalo/Galloway
Calderon/Galloway
What makes you think KP off the bench will not be an impact player? Did D.Will start today? Wasn't he instrumental?
KP is not a NBA starter or Closer, maybe after he has a year experience .. D.Will athleticism has always been a SF in the NBA, dumb-dumb coaches has been using him as a PF
The only thing I wanted more of is KP ... But it's nice to give him alittle break... But more KP he was doing a nice job in the 3rd to never see the court... That's my only semi complaint... Still great game
I'd compare it more to the Lakers teams of 2005-2007 than any championship level team Phil had in CHI/LA in any other season. Lots of nobodies, lots of C grade guys, 1 superstar, 1 great young draft pick, and a competitive team that shouldn't be very good, but somehow makes a push for the final playoff spot.
If the East weren't as good as it is this season, in a more typical recent year, we'd be in the playoffs. This year? I'd forget about it, but the Knicks are much improved this year despite not having added much top tier or 2nd tier free agent talent.
nixluva wrote:It's not a perfect roster but when they execute and use their talents properly you can see what Phil was hoping for. Now if this team can keep this level of execution on both ends they can get on a roll. The problem is consistency.
The roster is still unbalanced.
You saw tonight - the winning lineup was Galloway/Lance at SG / DWill / Melo / Rolo
You can't play Lance at SG against most of the NBA. Detroit in particular doesn't have real NBA SGs - they play guys who are more like SFs there.
We still need more talent at the guard positions and probably need to move a body out from the 3s/4s/5s glut we have.
I'd call up SVG and offer him DWill for Brandon Jennings right this minute.
Love the 6 blocks by ROLO against Drummond, although I still think Andre took some Queloids before the game.
Kemet wrote:blkexec wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:blkexec wrote:ScoreBot wrote:4Q - 3:15
NYK 100 DET 87
I sound like a broken record....but I said this should be the starting unit from the beginning of the season, with KP off the bench. We would've been in the playoff hunt from the very beginning. KP and Grant would've developed together off the bench running PnR plays.
Jose
AA or LT
D.Will
Melo
Rolo
No way, KP has been instrumental in so many Knick wins early on and is still a major factor on D, an area where DWill is a huge ???
The problem has been Fisher hasn't used Williams enough off the bench - instead has even used Quinn at 4, instead of DWill. To their credit part of it was to get DWill to play harder and better on D which he has been. I've been really impressed. But this should be our rotation IMO - the exact same we saw tonight maybe minus Quinn at backup 5, maybe slide Zinger there.Lopez/Porzingis/Quinn
Porzingis/Williams
Melo/Thomas
Afflalo/Galloway
Calderon/Galloway
What makes you think KP off the bench will not be an impact player? Did D.Will start today? Wasn't he instrumental?
KP is not a NBA starter or Closer, maybe after he has a year experience .. D.Will athleticism has always been a SF in the NBA, dumb-dumb coaches has been using him as a PF
I hear you but I respectfully disagree... KP needs to know he is the future of not just the Knicks but the NBA.... It's like if the pelicans brought Anthony Davis off the bench as a rookie . It just doesn't make sense... He didn't really match up well vs the Pistons I think that's why fish didn't bring him back in .
fitzfarm wrote:The only thing I wanted more of is KP ... But it's nice to give him alittle break... But more KP he was doing a nice job in the 3rd to never see the court... That's my only semi complaint... Still great game
This was a situation where KP just had to sit because Drummond was a very very tough cover and Lopez was doing a fantastic job. The Knicks were having some issues defensively with Calderon/KP on S/R defense and needed a natural wing to match up with Ilyasova. I think KP was going to get back in to close the game around 7 min mark, but DWill exploded. You don't take out Lopez the way he was playing and you don't take out DWill.
Great coaching by Fish in that 2nd half. His best sub pattern of the season. 3 man guard rotation in the 2nd half as well. We have no choice against these teams. Not at all a coincidence to me that improved play came as Fish tightened his rotation. This team isn't deep or talented enough to beat top 10 teams in the league going 10 deep.
