Knicks · thank you melo (page 1)

Calderon is shooting 49% from field (3rd best PG % in NBA). You win 49% of those last second games and you're doing okay . . .

Malcolm wrote:It was all good: both the no timeout and the pass by Melo.

Calderon is shooting 49% from field (3rd best PG % in NBA). You win 49% of those last second games and you're doing okay . . .

Pretty much. Had an open look from what it seems and missed. It happens. I am happy we held our own against them.

But, I liked the way we came back and played a really smart, veteran team tough. I mean, this group (SA) has been together since when, 1999

He would have to know that Cousins would play it that way which is impossible to know ahead of time. Then he would have to know that KP would slide over while also believing Cousins would never look to locate KP. All these things were spur of the moment actions. Melo would have had to immediately in split second timing decipher all of this while being hounded/fouled by Rondo.

His main flaw was lowering his head after the initial contact. But even with that he was trying to get past the defender to even be able to make a play.

KP should have been stretched out to the 3 pt line on one side while everyone else would line up on the opposite. This would have given Melo an open path to the rim and or predetermined pass options.

franco12 wrote:I might have liked a time out and I kinda thought maybe KP should have gotten the last shot since he had been so big tonight.

But, I liked the way we came back and played a really smart, veteran team tough. I mean, this group (SA) has been together since when, 1999

CrushAlot wrote:He is playing team ball. Gallo looked first at Fish for a time out and then gave the ball to melo. Melo is the man so that was the right move. I also think Fish not calling a time out was the right move. If Melo takes the shot there is no way that a foul is called so I am glad that he passed it.

I'm totally ok with how the game ended, how the play ultimately unfolded.

But, I thought once Gallo brought the ball over, he should have been the one to actually initiate a play. I just thought giving it to Melo at that time gave him too little time to make a play.

Again, I think our team needs more time to learn how to attack in situations like that - some of that is on Fisher to create set plays and explain where on how our system should position them to attack.

newyorknewyork wrote:

He would have to know that Cousins would play it that way which is impossible to know ahead of time. Then he would have to know that KP would slide over while also believing Cousins would never look to locate KP. All these things were spur of the moment actions. Melo would have had to immediately in split second timing decipher all of this while being hounded/fouled by Rondo.

His main flaw was lowering his head after the initial contact. But even with that he was trying to get past the defender to even be able to make a play.

KP should have been stretched out to the 3 pt line on one side while everyone else would line up on the opposite. This would have given Melo an open path to the rim and or predetermined pass options.

Looking at that again, he attacked on the side with TOO many defenders. He should have looked to go the other way around KP and kick it back to him are shoot from the FT line.

Again, easy to monday morning quarterback, but I do think a fair charge against Melo is he's not the most cerebral player and he ends up like Charles Smith surrounded needlessly by defenders.

franco12 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:He is playing team ball. Gallo looked first at Fish for a time out and then gave the ball to melo. Melo is the man so that was the right move. I also think Fish not calling a time out was the right move. If Melo takes the shot there is no way that a foul is called so I am glad that he passed it.

I'm totally ok with how the game ended, how the play ultimately unfolded.

But, I thought once Gallo brought the ball over, he should have been the one to actually initiate a play. I just thought giving it to Melo at that time gave him too little time to make a play.

Again, I think our team needs more time to learn how to attack in situations like that - some of that is on Fisher to create set plays and explain where on how our system should position them to attack.

The Knicks already know what to and they followed the Transition Rules of the Triangle Offense. This involves filling spots and if you look at the video you can see that they went to fill both corners, the Wing 3pt spot and the top of the key 3pt spot. Melo then penetrated and drew defenders. He could've passed back to KP, Gallo or to Jose in that scenario. Manu had to give help since Melo was driving to the hoop and Melo chose Jose, which was the easiest pass and shortest 3pt shot.

What they did made perfect sense. My issue is that if we had a guard that had breakdown ability that could have been used rather than passing to Melo in that short amount of time. Gallo is not that guard and neither is Jose. Jerian is that kind of guard but he's not ready for that kind of crunch time decision making.
If you had a dangerous PG they would take the ball and Melo would move to fill one of the 3pt spots or low post spot and that guard would be driving and looking to score or dish.

We have to use Melo in that role because he's the biggest threat we have to get a shot and thus draw defenders. This team becomes that much more potent the second we have a guard who is equally a threat to drive and score. Doesn't matter if it's a SG or PG.

nixluva wrote:

franco12 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:He is playing team ball. Gallo looked first at Fish for a time out and then gave the ball to melo. Melo is the man so that was the right move. I also think Fish not calling a time out was the right move. If Melo takes the shot there is no way that a foul is called so I am glad that he passed it.

I'm totally ok with how the game ended, how the play ultimately unfolded.

But, I thought once Gallo brought the ball over, he should have been the one to actually initiate a play. I just thought giving it to Melo at that time gave him too little time to make a play.

Again, I think our team needs more time to learn how to attack in situations like that - some of that is on Fisher to create set plays and explain where on how our system should position them to attack.

The Knicks already know what to and they followed the Transition Rules of the Triangle Offense. This involves filling spots and if you look at the video you can see that they went to fill both corners, the Wing 3pt spot and the top of the key 3pt spot. Melo then penetrated and drew defenders. He could've passed back to KP, Gallo or to Jose in that scenario. Manu had to give help since Melo was driving to the hoop and Melo chose Jose, which was the easiest pass and shortest 3pt shot.

What they did made perfect sense. My issue is that if we had a guard that had breakdown ability that could have been used rather than passing to Melo in that short amount of time. Gallo is not that guard and neither is Jose. Jerian is that kind of guard but he's not ready for that kind of crunch time decision making.
If you had a dangerous PG they would take the ball and Melo would move to fill one of the 3pt spots or low post spot and that guard would be driving and looking to score or dish.

We have to use Melo in that role because he's the biggest threat we have to get a shot and thus draw defenders. This team becomes that much more potent the second we have a guard who is equally a threat to drive and score. Doesn't matter if it's a SG or PG.

since leonard was overplaying melo's right hand, the right play for melo was to wait for kp to set a pick so that melo could drive right and force the defenders to fight over a pick or make a switch. either way kp ends up with a mismatch and a shot to win the game if melo gets the ball to him instead. or melo could have used the pick by kp and gotten a good look at the basket as well.

as it is melo allows himself to be funneled into an overloaded side of the court where it is easier to defend.

problem with melo is he doesn't have the ability to think ahead of the defense like the truly great ones do. he is playing great basketball this season-- does anybody doubt my sincerity?-- but his bbiq and decision making in the last 4 minutes of games is still an achilles heel.

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

franco12 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:He is playing team ball. Gallo looked first at Fish for a time out and then gave the ball to melo. Melo is the man so that was the right move. I also think Fish not calling a time out was the right move. If Melo takes the shot there is no way that a foul is called so I am glad that he passed it.

I'm totally ok with how the game ended, how the play ultimately unfolded.

But, I thought once Gallo brought the ball over, he should have been the one to actually initiate a play. I just thought giving it to Melo at that time gave him too little time to make a play.

Again, I think our team needs more time to learn how to attack in situations like that - some of that is on Fisher to create set plays and explain where on how our system should position them to attack.

The Knicks already know what to and they followed the Transition Rules of the Triangle Offense. This involves filling spots and if you look at the video you can see that they went to fill both corners, the Wing 3pt spot and the top of the key 3pt spot. Melo then penetrated and drew defenders. He could've passed back to KP, Gallo or to Jose in that scenario. Manu had to give help since Melo was driving to the hoop and Melo chose Jose, which was the easiest pass and shortest 3pt shot.

What they did made perfect sense. My issue is that if we had a guard that had breakdown ability that could have been used rather than passing to Melo in that short amount of time. Gallo is not that guard and neither is Jose. Jerian is that kind of guard but he's not ready for that kind of crunch time decision making.
If you had a dangerous PG they would take the ball and Melo would move to fill one of the 3pt spots or low post spot and that guard would be driving and looking to score or dish.

We have to use Melo in that role because he's the biggest threat we have to get a shot and thus draw defenders. This team becomes that much more potent the second we have a guard who is equally a threat to drive and score. Doesn't matter if it's a SG or PG.

since leonard was overplaying melo's right hand, the right play for melo was to wait for kp to set a pick so that melo could drive right and force the defenders to fight over a pick or make a switch. either way kp ends up with a mismatch and a shot to win the game if melo gets the ball to him instead. or melo could have used the pick by kp and gotten a good look at the basket as well.

as it is melo allows himself to be funneled into an overloaded side of the court where it is easier to defend.

problem with melo is he doesn't have the ability to think ahead of the defense like the truly great ones do. he is playing great basketball this season-- does anybody doubt my sincerity?-- but his bbiq and decision making in the last 4 minutes of games is still an achilles heel.

Perhaps consider to accept that no one is perfect then.

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

franco12 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:He is playing team ball. Gallo looked first at Fish for a time out and then gave the ball to melo. Melo is the man so that was the right move. I also think Fish not calling a time out was the right move. If Melo takes the shot there is no way that a foul is called so I am glad that he passed it.

I'm totally ok with how the game ended, how the play ultimately unfolded.

But, I thought once Gallo brought the ball over, he should have been the one to actually initiate a play. I just thought giving it to Melo at that time gave him too little time to make a play.

Again, I think our team needs more time to learn how to attack in situations like that - some of that is on Fisher to create set plays and explain where on how our system should position them to attack.

The Knicks already know what to and they followed the Transition Rules of the Triangle Offense. This involves filling spots and if you look at the video you can see that they went to fill both corners, the Wing 3pt spot and the top of the key 3pt spot. Melo then penetrated and drew defenders. He could've passed back to KP, Gallo or to Jose in that scenario. Manu had to give help since Melo was driving to the hoop and Melo chose Jose, which was the easiest pass and shortest 3pt shot.

What they did made perfect sense. My issue is that if we had a guard that had breakdown ability that could have been used rather than passing to Melo in that short amount of time. Gallo is not that guard and neither is Jose. Jerian is that kind of guard but he's not ready for that kind of crunch time decision making.
If you had a dangerous PG they would take the ball and Melo would move to fill one of the 3pt spots or low post spot and that guard would be driving and looking to score or dish.

We have to use Melo in that role because he's the biggest threat we have to get a shot and thus draw defenders. This team becomes that much more potent the second we have a guard who is equally a threat to drive and score. Doesn't matter if it's a SG or PG.

since leonard was overplaying melo's right hand, the right play for melo was to wait for kp to set a pick so that melo could drive right and force the defenders to fight over a pick or make a switch. either way kp ends up with a mismatch and a shot to win the game if melo gets the ball to him instead. or melo could have used the pick by kp and gotten a good look at the basket as well.

as it is melo allows himself to be funneled into an overloaded side of the court where it is easier to defend.

problem with melo is he doesn't have the ability to think ahead of the defense like the truly great ones do. he is playing great basketball this season-- does anybody doubt my sincerity?-- but his bbiq and decision making in the last 4 minutes of games is still an achilles heel.

That decision would have many problems within it as well. If they switch(Which from the looks of the way LMA is position himself he was expecting a pick) then Melo has to shoot over a 6'11 LMA and Leonard is one of the best defenders in the NBA. Not like we have a 24 sec shot clock for this scenario to capitalize on it. Switching Leonard onto KP isn't an ideal mismatch for us as he probably smothers KP and denies the pass. Melo's only choice would be to beat LMA off the dribble all the way to the rack.

The paint was wide open. Leonard gave him an open lane to the paint for his left hand. Melo drove into the paint drew the extra defender and passed it to an open teammate who has been one of the most efficient shooters in the NBA for the 2nd most efficient shot in the NBA.

Ginobli actually screwed up by leaving Calderon. He should have stayed with Calderon and let Melo have to shoot the mid range shot over Leonard one of the best defenders in the NBA rather then give up the corner 3 attempt.

Melo in general does not like picks but he should learn how to utilize them much better (giving and getting).

mreinman wrote:can't complain about the shot but I agree that I would much rather see melo get picks in this situation as opposed to asking him to take his man off the dribble every time.

Melo in general does not like picks but he should learn how to utilize them much better (giving and getting).

Trying to set up the KP pick, who by your own admission is a terrible screener, in the time he had would have wasted too much time. Leornard had great position and I think it would have created a worse situation.

Also, Melo has no problem asking Lopez to set a screens for him. He has been consistently been a top PnR ball handler and finisher so knowing how to utilize them is not the problem.

I would like to see more of Melo as a roll man and not just screening to set up post position.

ramtour420 wrote:watching the milwakee game , like 5 am here, wow. Melo is passing amazingly and blocking !!!

where are you

knicks1248 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:watching the milwakee game , like 5 am here, wow. Melo is passing amazingly and blocking !!!

where are you

i am in Moscow