nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Cartman718 wrote:mreinman wrote:Larkin crushed the knicks in constant PnR. Our picks were rare and pathetic
are you saying that larkin ran some of the triangle sets way better?
yes. PnR triangle and speed triangle and the pig.
DON'T FEED THE TROLL!
why not? you called me a Dik and that makes you a bigger dik
You know why! Try actually adding something of value to the conversation rather than making cowardly attacks on people. You got something to say about someone don't hide behind vague digs at people! just come out and say it.
nix...you dont know as much about the triangle as you think you do...that's direct enough. you are no expert. that's based on your posts. and yes, you are super sensitive to anything anyone has to say that is different to what you think is right. chill out a bit. direct enough?
they missed Melo's defense.
WaltLongmire wrote:mreinman wrote:knicks1248 wrote:worse lost of the season.In bklyn
on a 4 game win strk
no melo
3rd worse team in the league
i could go on
stupid
This might be what's really upsetting himI hope this is the last time i see this team below 500 in melos knick career
knicks1248 » 1/12/2016
A major jinx on the team with this thread by knicks1248...I almost cringed when I saw it.
I know who I'm blaming for the loss.
aw come on man. i dont like making game threads because i am superstitious about my luck for game threads like that, but you took it to another level. see starks...now that statement by walt was a bit personal as opposed to what crzymdups said earlier :)
Bad loss. Cauldrons D killed them tonight. ThT and KP's shooting.
Cartman718 wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:Cartman718 wrote:mreinman wrote:Larkin crushed the knicks in constant PnR. Our picks were rare and pathetic
are you saying that larkin ran some of the triangle sets way better?
yes. PnR triangle and speed triangle and the pig.
DON'T FEED THE TROLL!
why not? you called me a Dik and that makes you a bigger dik
You know why! Try actually adding something of value to the conversation rather than making cowardly attacks on people. You got something to say about someone don't hide behind vague digs at people! just come out and say it.
nix...you dont know as much about the triangle as you think you do...that's direct enough. you are no expert. that's based on your posts. and yes, you are super sensitive to anything anyone has to say that is different to what you think is right. chill out a bit. direct enough?
WTF are you jumping in for? I wasn't talking to you! If this is how you wanna be from now on that's fine at least you are making it clear where you stand unlike some people!
I'll chalk this up to bad FT shooting, missed 8, shoot 65%, can't win like that
CrushAlot wrote:
scratches...from nets defenders? BroLo?
CrushAlot wrote:
The refs frickin' jobbed Rolo all night. From the very first clean block he had on Brook to all the times he was fouled and it wasn't called.
The refs made this game an uphill battle for the Knicks. I still feel they should have won with better game management.
It really feels like they just let a winnable game get away from them, even being tired and without Melo.
Fisher has been doing well lately, but I was not happy with the way he coached tonight. Too many matchups they could've exploited and did not.
Fookin NBA man, best players even on the worst teams capable of beating a .500 team!
Missing Melo.
Blame must be assigned and corrected!!!!
mreinman wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Defense was a major problem.
Defense requires both a good scheme and effort. Our effort just was lacking. I'm somewhat understanding of this because of the back to back and the minutes were heavily distributed to a certain 4 players. They were clearly tired. Now add that Melo isn't there to open up the offense and get them easy scores, means they're working harder on offense.Some have definite playoff hopes, but I never have. I see that as a cherry on the top if everything goes perfect. For all we know, making the playoffs may require winning 25 of the next 41 which will be very tough.
I just want the younger players like Porzingis (20), Williams (24), Grant (23), Galloway (24) do well in the Triangle, play better as the season goes on and Melo to play team ball. We're seeing exactly that. Williams is truly looking like the Knicks added a #2 pick from the draft. Grant has shown some promise. Galloway is solid. So to me anything above 35 wins is very good, so long as Porzingis, Williams, Galloway and Grant get minutes, play well and can be part of something moving forward with Melo next season.
The way DWill is playing, you're seeing why he was drafted #2. And we got this guy without a lottery pick, by a smart FA pick up. Lots of people say the Knicks don't have young talent that they added a ton of vets and it's KP mainly. I disagree. KP is 20, the youngest with the most potential. However Williams, Galloway and Grant are all 23 or 24. Their primes are just about to start and they can still get better. We're seeing that with Williams right now. The Knicks got to keep these young guys and Melo, then add some more pieces via free agency in the summer.
Dwil was signed for a two year with the second being a player option. We got this guy but for how long?
He's bounced around the league. Different coaches. Different systems. He's found a home. A team and coaching staff that is consistent with him and gives him structure. He seems to like New York. I don't see him leaving. If he opts out and Phil gives him 6 million a year over 3 years, I think he'll take that with an opt out in the 3rd year. If he has 2-3 consecutively good years, he'll be paid even more. If I'm him, I stay in NY a few years elevate my value. Guy was seen a clown around the league and a guy who never could play up to his potential. He's got a really really good thing in NY going.
nyknickzingis wrote:mreinman wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Defense was a major problem.
Defense requires both a good scheme and effort. Our effort just was lacking. I'm somewhat understanding of this because of the back to back and the minutes were heavily distributed to a certain 4 players. They were clearly tired. Now add that Melo isn't there to open up the offense and get them easy scores, means they're working harder on offense.Some have definite playoff hopes, but I never have. I see that as a cherry on the top if everything goes perfect. For all we know, making the playoffs may require winning 25 of the next 41 which will be very tough.
I just want the younger players like Porzingis (20), Williams (24), Grant (23), Galloway (24) do well in the Triangle, play better as the season goes on and Melo to play team ball. We're seeing exactly that. Williams is truly looking like the Knicks added a #2 pick from the draft. Grant has shown some promise. Galloway is solid. So to me anything above 35 wins is very good, so long as Porzingis, Williams, Galloway and Grant get minutes, play well and can be part of something moving forward with Melo next season.
The way DWill is playing, you're seeing why he was drafted #2. And we got this guy without a lottery pick, by a smart FA pick up. Lots of people say the Knicks don't have young talent that they added a ton of vets and it's KP mainly. I disagree. KP is 20, the youngest with the most potential. However Williams, Galloway and Grant are all 23 or 24. Their primes are just about to start and they can still get better. We're seeing that with Williams right now. The Knicks got to keep these young guys and Melo, then add some more pieces via free agency in the summer.
Dwil was signed for a two year with the second being a player option. We got this guy but for how long?
He's bounced around the league. Different coaches. Different systems. He's found a home. A team and coaching staff that is consistent with him and gives him structure. He seems to like New York. I don't see him leaving. If he opts out and Phil gives him 6 million a year over 3 years, I think he'll take that with an opt out in the 3rd year. If he has 2-3 consecutively good years, he'll be paid even more. If I'm him, I stay in NY a few years elevate my value. Guy was seen a clown around the league and a guy who never could play up to his potential. He's got a really really good thing in NY going.
If he can make a couple of million a year more by leaving, he'll leave. Doesn't make enough to leave money on the table.
crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
The refs frickin' jobbed Rolo all night. From the very first clean block he had on Brook to all the times he was fouled and it wasn't called.
The refs made this game an uphill battle for the Knicks. I still feel they should have won with better game management.
It really feels like they just let a winnable game get away from them, even being tired and without Melo.
Fisher has been doing well lately, but I was not happy with the way he coached tonight. Too many matchups they could've exploited and did not.
This^. So true
Late in the game I saw Jose trying to post up Larkin. Play went the other way. However they should have been doing that a ton. With guys like larkin or Isaiah you need to punish the team for using those small quick guys
Likewise if our screens/picks are a little subpar set up some double screens. It not only will help on that play but it's a little dig/wake up call to ur guys to do a better job w their screens bc the coach thinks you need help
I hope this lose is not lost on the team. They need to learn from it. They lacked the menTal toughness at the end that was needed on a fugly night.
Chandler wrote:crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
The refs frickin' jobbed Rolo all night. From the very first clean block he had on Brook to all the times he was fouled and it wasn't called.
The refs made this game an uphill battle for the Knicks. I still feel they should have won with better game management.
It really feels like they just let a winnable game get away from them, even being tired and without Melo.
Fisher has been doing well lately, but I was not happy with the way he coached tonight. Too many matchups they could've exploited and did not.
This^. So true
Late in the game I saw Jose trying to post up Larkin. Play went the other way. However they should have been doing that a ton. With guys like larkin or Isaiah you need to punish the team for using those small quick guys
Likewise if our screens/picks are a little subpar set up some double screens. It not only will help on that play but it's a little dig/wake up call to ur guys to do a better job w their screens bc the coach thinks you need help
I hope this lose is not lost on the team. They need to learn from it. They lacked the menTal toughness at the end that was needed on a fugly night.
It really felt like poor game management all around. There was one point in the game when the way things were going I thought they should be winning and they were actually trailing by three. I don't think they took the Nets seriously enough after some of their higher profile opponents lately.
Afflalo should've been posting up Ellington from the first quarter. There was a point in the second quarter, I think the Nets got into the penalty with 7 minutes to go in the quarter and the Knicks didn't punish them nearly enough for that. DWill did, but no one else. That's when you post up Rolo, post up Afflalo, post up KP - get fouls and get to the line and get their best players in foul trouble.
Like I said, I've been happy with Fisher lately, but I thought he did a bad job last night. It almost felt like he was unprepared for Melo to miss the game.
KP ruined this game - FG 26%
Gudris wrote:KP ruined this game - FG 26%
i guess he was tired...but couldn't fisher see that? he should have brought in KOQ and Seraphin for posting up in the 2nd quarter especially.
crzymdups wrote:Chandler wrote:crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
The refs frickin' jobbed Rolo all night. From the very first clean block he had on Brook to all the times he was fouled and it wasn't called.
The refs made this game an uphill battle for the Knicks. I still feel they should have won with better game management.
It really feels like they just let a winnable game get away from them, even being tired and without Melo.
Fisher has been doing well lately, but I was not happy with the way he coached tonight. Too many matchups they could've exploited and did not.
This^. So true
Late in the game I saw Jose trying to post up Larkin. Play went the other way. However they should have been doing that a ton. With guys like larkin or Isaiah you need to punish the team for using those small quick guys
Likewise if our screens/picks are a little subpar set up some double screens. It not only will help on that play but it's a little dig/wake up call to ur guys to do a better job w their screens bc the coach thinks you need help
I hope this lose is not lost on the team. They need to learn from it. They lacked the menTal toughness at the end that was needed on a fugly night.
It really felt like poor game management all around. There was one point in the game when the way things were going I thought they should be winning and they were actually trailing by three. I don't think they took the Nets seriously enough after some of their higher profile opponents lately.
Afflalo should've been posting up Ellington from the first quarter. There was a point in the second quarter, I think the Nets got into the penalty with 7 minutes to go in the quarter and the Knicks didn't punish them nearly enough for that. DWill did, but no one else. That's when you post up Rolo, post up Afflalo, post up KP - get fouls and get to the line and get their best players in foul trouble.
Like I said, I've been happy with Fisher lately, but I thought he did a bad job last night. It almost felt like he was unprepared for Melo to miss the game.
totally agree and remember that sequence. I was watching the Brooklyn feed (league pass) and even the Nets announcers said uh oh when they got in the penalty so soon. And then we didn't exploit it. They even could have told Jerian and Gallo to drive and force the situation
Also with the team in a funk i was surprised that Fisher only turned to Sasha for 4 minutes, and that he didn't try KOQ or Seraphin to play hard and perhaps earn minutes (granted they've each been figuratively and literally giant enigmas)
Cartman718 wrote:Gudris wrote:KP ruined this game - FG 26%
i guess he was tired...but couldn't fisher see that? he should have brought in KOQ and Seraphin for posting up in the 2nd quarter especially.
even with his horrendous shooting he was still a force on defense a lot of which simply will never show up in stats directly
Chandler wrote:crzymdups wrote:Chandler wrote:crzymdups wrote:CrushAlot wrote:
The refs frickin' jobbed Rolo all night. From the very first clean block he had on Brook to all the times he was fouled and it wasn't called.
The refs made this game an uphill battle for the Knicks. I still feel they should have won with better game management.
It really feels like they just let a winnable game get away from them, even being tired and without Melo.
Fisher has been doing well lately, but I was not happy with the way he coached tonight. Too many matchups they could've exploited and did not.
This^. So true
Late in the game I saw Jose trying to post up Larkin. Play went the other way. However they should have been doing that a ton. With guys like larkin or Isaiah you need to punish the team for using those small quick guys
Likewise if our screens/picks are a little subpar set up some double screens. It not only will help on that play but it's a little dig/wake up call to ur guys to do a better job w their screens bc the coach thinks you need help
I hope this lose is not lost on the team. They need to learn from it. They lacked the menTal toughness at the end that was needed on a fugly night.
It really felt like poor game management all around. There was one point in the game when the way things were going I thought they should be winning and they were actually trailing by three. I don't think they took the Nets seriously enough after some of their higher profile opponents lately.
Afflalo should've been posting up Ellington from the first quarter. There was a point in the second quarter, I think the Nets got into the penalty with 7 minutes to go in the quarter and the Knicks didn't punish them nearly enough for that. DWill did, but no one else. That's when you post up Rolo, post up Afflalo, post up KP - get fouls and get to the line and get their best players in foul trouble.
Like I said, I've been happy with Fisher lately, but I thought he did a bad job last night. It almost felt like he was unprepared for Melo to miss the game.
totally agree and remember that sequence. I was watching the Brooklyn feed (league pass) and even the Nets announcers said uh oh when they got in the penalty so soon. And then we didn't exploit it. They even could have told Jerian and Gallo to drive and force the situation
Also with the team in a funk i was surprised that Fisher only turned to Sasha for 4 minutes, and that he didn't try KOQ or Seraphin to play hard and perhaps earn minutes (granted they've each been figuratively and literally giant enigmas)
yeah, Sasha was +8 in 3:30 and played solid D on their guards, which we desperately needed last night. I was surprised he didn't get another run in the second half. ah well.
