You have to wonder if Monroe regrets not picking NY over milwaukee. Milwaukee went from a young team with upside and promise to a team who has a bunch of misfit pieces who can't play defense or stretch the floor on offense. Monroe said he chose milwaukee because they were winning more, and he was right, but there was no question based on the jump from the previous year that a lot went right and they were able to overachieve. Monroe, thru no fault of his own, would get blamed for not taking them a step forward when they would likely regress a little bit trying to plug in him and Parker into major roles, which changed the look and style of the team dramatically. Now Monroe is being billed as a non-winning player with an outdated game for the modern nba. Lopez probably would have been an easier fit with what they are doing there. But its crazy to think now that Monroe chose the team that overachieved over a team like the Knicks who could only improve and Monroe would be associated with the improvement from embarrassment, to at a minimum, respectability. And as for the Knicks, i think Monroe might have fit ok here because KP is a nice fit next to a low-post option, but in turn, it probably would have hurt KP's development. It's funny how those things work out. He had a chance to break out and now his career likely takes a hit despite his consistent numbers. And no doubt that teams have to look at the changes milwaukee made and it probably changes the strategy a lot of teams have on how to build a team. Next summer i bet a lot more teams go after a guy like Lance Thomas than a guy like Al Jefferson. With that in mind, it definitely changes my perspective on how we should look to improve moving forward.
He could easily got the same looks Rolo got but he did choose $$.
Works out for us because we got Rolo for cheaper and it does seem with Melo and KP our offense clicks just fine
nyk4ever wrote:without sounding like a dick, can we leave all the monroe stuff in the thread that's already been created about him? don't need more than on this guy, no?http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
haha that's like saying melo lovers/haters can make only 1 i love melo/i hate melo thread. besides, i want briggs to comment in here :) :)
I thought his name was Greg Monore 100x!
nyk4ever wrote:without sounding like a dick, can we leave all the monroe stuff in the thread that's already been created about him? don't need more than on this guy, no?http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
I didn't want to go digging for that thread. Plus, why would i want to add to a thread that says Monroe is 1000 times better than Lopez when thats not the case?
ChuckBuck wrote:I thought his name was Greg Monore 100x!
this is funny!
waiting for Greg to sport it as ink
(or perhaps Briggs will to show the conviction in his opinion)
Someone said money, but did Phil really offer him less than Milwaukee? From what I understand they offered him the same money as Milwaukee but he chose Milwaukee because they had a better situation based on last year.
nyknickzingis wrote:Someone said money, but did Phil really offer him less than Milwaukee? From what I understand they offered him the same money as Milwaukee but he chose Milwaukee because they had a better situation based on last year.
Both of those claims were out there, so i don't think we will ever really know the answer to that.
Assuming salaries were right, (fliier and such) and knowing KP is doing well already at C, would you swap Rolo for Monroe today?
EwingsGlass wrote:Assuming salaries were right, (fliier and such) and knowing KP is doing well already at C, would you swap Rolo for Monroe today?
Salaries are already right.
Could even trade Monroe for Calderon, O'Quinn and Seraphin.
Monroe seemed to have made the Bucks worse.
EnySpree wrote:Monroe seemed to have made the Bucks worse.
I don't think it's necessarily his fault- I think the thing with Monroe is he just doesn't impact the game either way. He gives you consistency in points and rebounds (and that can be useful in the right situation), but he's not a game changer.
smackeddog wrote:EnySpree wrote:Monroe seemed to have made the Bucks worse.
I don't think it's necessarily his fault- I think the thing with Monroe is he just doesn't impact the game either way. He gives you consistency in points and rebounds (and that can be useful in the right situation), but he's not a game changer.
If Monroe is such a game changer. The bucks should be doing better. I am all about defense over points. This isn't fantasy basketball. It's team basketball.
We are a much better team and its because of the pieces we put together.
Boom
Bucks are still gonna be good, they have so much young talent it takes time. Even though we are playing well our record still indicates we are up and down. As for greg monroe i never really wanted him that badly i wanted aldrige or jordan playing alongside KP but that was a pipedream
smackeddog wrote:EnySpree wrote:Monroe seemed to have made the Bucks worse.
I don't think it's necessarily his fault- I think the thing with Monroe is he just doesn't impact the game either way. He gives you consistency in points and rebounds (and that can be useful in the right situation), but he's not a game changer.
Yes this is my exact point of the thread. He's now associated with losing because they got worse.
he was short sighted... we have a program. those dudes just have a bunch of people who show up
Greg is a nice player, but his play does not seem to contribute to winning basketball. Detroit was not a good team when he was there, as soon as he left, they got better. Now Milwaukee has taken a step back.
Wasn't it reported pretty heavily that we never made Monroe an offer? Phil chose a different direction - I'm all on board with our present day front court.
Monroe is a nice scorer, but I'd rather shots go to Melo/KP. Meanwhile, Rolo will do the dirty work Monroe won't.
Knixkik wrote:You have to wonder if Monroe regrets not picking NY over milwaukee. Milwaukee went from a young team with upside and promise to a team who has a bunch of misfit pieces who can't play defense or stretch the floor on offense. Monroe said he chose milwaukee because they were winning more, and he was right, but there was no question based on the jump from the previous year that a lot went right and they were able to overachieve. Monroe, thru no fault of his own, would get blamed for not taking them a step forward when they would likely regress a little bit trying to plug in him and Parker into major roles, which changed the look and style of the team dramatically. Now Monroe is being billed as a non-winning player with an outdated game for the modern nba. Lopez probably would have been an easier fit with what they are doing there. But its crazy to think now that Monroe chose the team that overachieved over a team like the Knicks who could only improve and Monroe would be associated with the improvement from embarrassment, to at a minimum, respectability. And as for the Knicks, i think Monroe might have fit ok here because KP is a nice fit next to a low-post option, but in turn, it probably would have hurt KP's development. It's funny how those things work out. He had a chance to break out and now his career likely takes a hit despite his consistent numbers. And no doubt that teams have to look at the changes milwaukee made and it probably changes the strategy a lot of teams have on how to build a team. Next summer i bet a lot more teams go after a guy like Lance Thomas than a guy like Al Jefferson. With that in mind, it definitely changes my perspective on how we should look to improve moving forward.
Milwaukee does have a ton or really good young talent though and i think most if not everyone thought they'd be much better this year after having a good season last year. I think young teams like that young teams like that need to bring in at least two veterans to play with these young guys and that will help quite a bit for the young kids that need that veteran presence. I also think them trading away B.Knight and replacing him with MCW hurt them to. I know i'd love to get one of those youngsters from them to put with KP and Melo. Like someone mentioned in another thread if we could put Giannis on our team that would be a great move for us but they're not gonna let that kid go.
StarksEwing1 wrote:Bucks are still gonna be good, they have so much young talent it takes time. Even though we are playing well our record still indicates we are up and down. As for greg monroe i never really wanted him that badly i wanted aldrige or jordan playing alongside KP but that was a pipedream
Just think that if we knew about KP what we know now we might have actually had a chance at LMA cause if the rumors were right the interview with us was canceled because he didn't want to play center and wanted to play PF but Phil told him he'd want him to play the center spot mostly. That's not saying we still would have got him but the rumors were also that he was intrigued with the Knicks so you never know.
PG--Calderon
SG--A.Afflalo
SF--Melo
PF--LMA
C--KP
Would you guys rather that lineup or:
PG--Calderon
SG--A.Afflalo
SF--Melo
PF--KP
C--R.Lopez
I'm all about option #1
