Prime example of Isiaih Thomas who is 5-9. They have more space compared to years past and its impossible to stop them from going where they want to go. Ish Smith doesnt have a good J and is just a tad small to finish at the rim like Isaiah can but you can see where guards like this can change complexity of games.
a younger Raymond Felton comes to mind... and then once that quickness fades, Raymond Felton comes to mind
mreinman wrote:like larkin
Actually Larkin wouldve helped this team out. He can make shots unlike the older Jerian Grant who is well below the Mendoza line
doesn't look like it's in the cards
7/27/15
"Jackson also confirmed in the piece the Knicks pursued Goran Dragic prior to the trade deadline, up until Dragic was traded to the Heat. Though Jackson praised Dragic’s game, saying he was “every team’s current choice for a nuclear option — a guard who can penetrate and either score or kick,” he then curiously added, “But, anyway, that’s not really the way I want us to play.” http://nypost.com/2015/07/27/shane-larki...
and ultimately it was the Knicks size and Isiah's lack of it that was the deciding factor in that Knicks game.
Jet quick also doesnt negate size on the other side of the ball. Thomas is a hell of a good basketball player that has to constantly make crazy shots and play at a high level to overcome his shortness.
The only difference between Grant and Ish Smith right now is Ish can dribble and shoot all day with no structure. Someone forget to tell him he's not Allan Iverson. Grant has to play within a structured offense. Grant easy breaks guys down off the dribble. He's just not allowed to keep dribbling all around like a decapitated chicken waiting for a pass or shot to open. Was not impressed by him at all yesterday. 17 shots a game when you are shooting 40% is not the sign of a good player. Thomas is a very good player who is very small. Its niche... not a trend. Also they have a hard time sticking around for extended time.
and ultimately it was the Knicks size and Isiah's lack of it that was the deciding factor in that Knicks game.
Jet quick also doesnt negate size on the other side of the ball. Thomas is a hell of a good basketball player that has to constantly make crazy shots and play at a high level to overcome his shortness.
The only difference between Grant and Ish Smith right now is Ish can dribble and shoot all day with no structure. Someone forget to tell him he's not Allan Iverson. Grant has to play within a structured offense. Grant easy breaks guys down off the dribble. He's just not allowed to keep dribbling all around like a decapitated chicken waiting for a pass or shot to open. Was not impressed by him at all yesterday. 17 shots a game when you are shooting 40% is not the sign of a good player. Thomas is a very good player who is very small. Its niche... not a trend. Also they have a hard time sticking around for extended time.
Rookie wrote:doesn't look like it's in the cards7/27/15
"Jackson also confirmed in the piece the Knicks pursued Goran Dragic prior to the trade deadline, up until Dragic was traded to the Heat. Though Jackson praised Dragic’s game, saying he was “every team’s current choice for a nuclear option — a guard who can penetrate and either score or kick,” he then curiously added, “But, anyway, that’s not really the way I want us to play.” http://nypost.com/2015/07/27/shane-larki...
Jackson is a leader.....And leaders change games......This is Jackson way of trying to change the game.
Having a tall long Ron Harper type pointguard with agility to guard smaller quick players, is Jacksons dream. Tall guards with quickness impact the game on defense just like small guards impact the game on offense. I think we should have 1 small quick, explosive guard and a tall big stiff big man, coming off the bench. But in the starting lineup, Phil would prefer all his players are 6'5 and taller. Everyone can be interchangable on defense, and create mismatches on offense, within the triangle system.
Regardless if anybody agrees with Phil, one thing is for sure.....We need to increase our basketball physical and IQ talent!
JJ Barea is a super quick talented guy and just phuching annoying to watch that after a while!
Wheres Lil' Nate? 2 games with the pelicans and he got released. Yep, two.
Imagine Isiah Thomas in this era instead of bully ball?
No doubt some athletic freaks of nature can defy time, space and gravity but this type of player is not been a staple on a Phil Jax team.
These spark plug guys can light up a game and take it over. If your watching it and prone to being susceptible to the obvious and thinking it can work on all teams then I get it.
These types of players are at more of an advantage offensively these days because they changed the rules drastically in the last 5 years and are allowing small players to get away with murder in the post, which addresses a major defensive short coming. The league could decide over the summer to even the playing field a bit (I don't think it will happen but it could), then you'd be stuck with a real problem if you have several of these types of players.
Flea like quickness can disappear with even nagging injuries vs fundamentally sound bigger players who can create space with good footwork offensively and experience on defense.
Good to get these guys in their rookie deals but tough to lock them up long term. Nate at 31 is out of the league at the present.
SupremeCommander wrote:a younger Raymond Felton comes to mind... and then once that quickness fades, Raymond Felton comes to mind
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Tony Wroten, Tony Wroten, Tony Wroten....
SwishAndDish13 wrote:These types of players are at more of an advantage offensively these days because they changed the rules drastically in the last 5 years and are allowing small players to get away with murder in the post, which addresses a major defensive short coming. The league could decide over the summer to even the playing field a bit (I don't think it will happen but it could), then you'd be stuck with a real problem if you have several of these types of players.
Thats a good point. Makes one appreciate a player like Mugsy Bogues even more, playing in a much more physical league back then.
fishmike wrote:and ultimately it was the Knicks size and Isiah's lack of it that was the deciding factor in that Knicks game. Jet quick also doesnt negate size on the other side of the ball. Thomas is a hell of a good basketball player that has to constantly make crazy shots and play at a high level to overcome his shortness.
The only difference between Grant and Ish Smith right now is Ish can dribble and shoot all day with no structure. Someone forget to tell him he's not Allan Iverson. Grant has to play within a structured offense. Grant easy breaks guys down off the dribble. He's just not allowed to keep dribbling all around like a decapitated chicken waiting for a pass or shot to open. Was not impressed by him at all yesterday. 17 shots a game when you are shooting 40% is not the sign of a good player. Thomas is a very good player who is very small. Its niche... not a trend. Also they have a hard time sticking around for extended time.
Well said, both of your posts. 
And as Nalod said, injuries if you depend on athleticism, are another problem.
There are those that are able to survive and not get injured but I would just rather go with a taller triangle like PG. Defense is key as you said.
I'm not impressed with Isiah Thomas' total game. On offense yeah, but he gives it all back and has to work so hard for those points. That takes a larger toll, relatively speaking.
earthmansurfer wrote:fishmike wrote:and ultimately it was the Knicks size and Isiah's lack of it that was the deciding factor in that Knicks game. Jet quick also doesnt negate size on the other side of the ball. Thomas is a hell of a good basketball player that has to constantly make crazy shots and play at a high level to overcome his shortness.
The only difference between Grant and Ish Smith right now is Ish can dribble and shoot all day with no structure. Someone forget to tell him he's not Allan Iverson. Grant has to play within a structured offense. Grant easy breaks guys down off the dribble. He's just not allowed to keep dribbling all around like a decapitated chicken waiting for a pass or shot to open. Was not impressed by him at all yesterday. 17 shots a game when you are shooting 40% is not the sign of a good player. Thomas is a very good player who is very small. Its niche... not a trend. Also they have a hard time sticking around for extended time.
Well said, both of your posts.
And as Nalod said, injuries if you depend on athleticism, are another problem.
There are those that are able to survive and not get injured but I would just rather go with a taller triangle like PG. Defense is key as you said.
I'm not impressed with Isiah Thomas' total game. On offense yeah, but he gives it all back and has to work so hard for those points. That takes a larger toll, relatively speaking.
Winning with Midgets is hard. Its cool when they get hot and control a game but come playoff time, deep into the playoffs, players get tired, fatigue makes for errors and after multiple games against the same opponent teams adapt.
is it doable? of course. Does phil do it? when you have Kobe or Jordan to handle the ball, you don't have to.
Nalod wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:fishmike wrote:and ultimately it was the Knicks size and Isiah's lack of it that was the deciding factor in that Knicks game. Jet quick also doesnt negate size on the other side of the ball. Thomas is a hell of a good basketball player that has to constantly make crazy shots and play at a high level to overcome his shortness.
The only difference between Grant and Ish Smith right now is Ish can dribble and shoot all day with no structure. Someone forget to tell him he's not Allan Iverson. Grant has to play within a structured offense. Grant easy breaks guys down off the dribble. He's just not allowed to keep dribbling all around like a decapitated chicken waiting for a pass or shot to open. Was not impressed by him at all yesterday. 17 shots a game when you are shooting 40% is not the sign of a good player. Thomas is a very good player who is very small. Its niche... not a trend. Also they have a hard time sticking around for extended time.
Well said, both of your posts.
And as Nalod said, injuries if you depend on athleticism, are another problem.
There are those that are able to survive and not get injured but I would just rather go with a taller triangle like PG. Defense is key as you said.
I'm not impressed with Isiah Thomas' total game. On offense yeah, but he gives it all back and has to work so hard for those points. That takes a larger toll, relatively speaking.
Winning with Midgets is hard. Its cool when they get hot and control a game but come playoff time, deep into the playoffs, players get tired, fatigue makes for errors and after multiple games against the same opponent teams adapt.
is it doable? of course. Does phil do it? when you have Kobe or Jordan to handle the ball, you don't have to.
i agree with all of these points. Midgets can still be exploited at the other end, if you choose too. It baffles me when the Knicks don't exploit the smurfs.
And their defense lacks in other ways. Yes, they look like they contribute when they occasionally double a big and steal a ball, but they don't cut down passing angles the same way, guards can see over the top of them better and make better passes etc.
