Knicks · Spend our 2016/17 cap. (page 3)
I think Gasol would be a nice fit for the team off the bench or at the four positions. our front court would be exceptional and it helps solve the problem of an additional scorer.
Theoretically we could go with signing Gasol and Courtney Lee, re-signing Gallo and Thomas.
Gasol/O'Quinn/Hernangomez
Porzingis/Thomas
Melo/Thanasis
Afflalo/Lee/Galloway
Calderon/Grant
What could Lopez fetch via trade? If it's a starting caliber 2 or 1, we've got something going. Much stronger playoff ability roster there. Could easily see us switch places with Chicago in the standings and move within the top 4.
Interesting to see what they do in the summer.
nyknickzingis wrote:Going to add to my previous post in this thread. I had forgotten about Knicks drafting a Spanish young big guy in Hernangomez who is a powerful block player. Quite a good compliment to what Porzingis likes to do. Factor we have Calderon. If Pau wants, he can get a really nice situation here going to be a mentor for both a young Spanish player and KP. Play with Jose, and in the offense he has had the most success with. Now the note I'm going to add, is if we still have O'Quinn, and are able to sign Pau - who would be like signing an all-star level free agent - the Knicks now can move Lopez. I really like Lopez, he is a heck of a role playing big man. However if Hernangomez can play even 10-15 minutes a game next year, signing Pau allows the Knicks to move Lopez via trade for some guard/perimeter help. I do believe Lopez on the contract he is on is a valuable trade chip. I really like the guy though, and think he's a good partner for Porzingis/Melo as well. My scenario is based on Knicks not being able to sign Conley/Batum/DeRozan. If not, then the best guy available talent wise who would fit on offense is Pau. We may already be loaded in this spot, but he can do things no one else on the current roster can. Great post player. Great passer. Very smart player. Great mentor for Porzingis/Hernangomez as well.Theoretically we could go with signing Gasol and Courtney Lee, re-signing Gallo and Thomas.
Gasol/O'Quinn/Hernangomez
Porzingis/Thomas
Melo/Thanasis
Afflalo/Lee/Galloway
Calderon/GrantWhat could Lopez fetch via trade? If it's a starting caliber 2 or 1, we've got something going. Much stronger playoff ability roster there. Could easily see us switch places with Chicago in the standings and move within the top 4.
Interesting to see what they do in the summer.
Robin Lopez for Wes Matthews?
newyorker4ever wrote:NardDogNation wrote:If the objective were to win-now and build this team through free agency, I'd trade Calderon, O'Quinn and $3 million cash to the Clippers for Lance Stephenson's expiring contract. With the additional $11 million in cap space to the $15 million you project from keeping everyone (including Lou Anundson and Lance Thomas for me), I'd do the following:1.) I do think AA will opt out but would be looking for long term security under the same figure. I'd be hesistant to give him more than a 3 year deal at $30 million but think I'd still do it, which would leave me at $24 million.
2.) I'd sign Nene Hilario to a one-year, league minimum type deal. He's ridiculously injury prone but with his defensive, passing and scoring ability, he'd be a shoe-in as a solid backup 5 in the triangle. I'd imagine him being something of our Andrew Bogut: misses one-third to half-the season but is fresh for the postseason. An arrangement like that would be teneable because we'd have more than even depth at the 4-5 spots with KP, Rolo and D-Will to accomodate his absence....especially with KP at 245lbs. That'd leave us with $19 million in cap space.
3.) I'd sign Mario Chalmers to a 2-year, $16 million deal with a team option in the 2nd year. He'd be a nice stopgap until we figure out whether Grant is our PG-of-the-future and/or if we can get Russell Westbrook in 2016. That championship/clutch pedigree would definitely help in Grant's development. This move should leave us at about $11 million in cap space.
4.) This is where it'd get tricky for. I'd either look to tender Lance Stephenson a one year deal at $5-$6 million (depending on how well he played the season before) OR offer Kent Bazemore a multi-year deal starting at $9 million per, no opt out. We need a sparkplug off the bench in our backcourt and either man can fit the bill. However, I'm still a believer in Lance Stephenson and given the likelihood that we'd be able to short him on money, I'd be inclined to retain him AND go into the season with cap space to work with. Heading toward the trade deadline, that money could be critical to signing a veteran that a losing team cuts in order to rebuild/retool OR in helping to facilitate a trade beforehand for that same type of player.
The objective overall of these moves is to continue to build with "triangle friendly" players and be competitive, while also maintaining the ability to make a big splash for a star in 2017 (thinking Russell Westbrook despite the fact that I detest his game).
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PG: Mario Chalmers
SG: Aaron Afflalo
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Kristaps Porzingis
C: Robin LopezROTATION
G: Langston Galloway/Jerian Grant
G: Lance Stephenson/Kent Bazemore
F: Lance Thomas
F: Derrick Williams
C: NeneWell you clearly didn't play the game within the rules but if we could do what you suggest i'd be pretty happy. The only things i'd change is i wouldn't screw up team chemistry by trading for L.Stephenson and if i had K.Bazemore i definitely wouldn't have him on the bench so i'd switch him and Afflalo putting Afflalo on the bench and Bazemore in the starting 2 guard spot.
Trading Lance Stephenson allows us to play outside your prescribed rules. That's why I'd make the deal in a heartbeat. Despite all his goodwill, Calderon's utility does not outweigh the opportunity cost of being able to keep our core rotation players WITH the ability to offer a max contract to a free agent. There might be a hidden cost in taking Lance but it is worth making in the long term.
newyorker4ever wrote:NardDogNation wrote:....I also don't think that Al Horford is a lock to re-sign with the Hawks. He's old enough where he'd be thinking about championships and as crazy as this sounds....I think the Knicks can get closer to one than the Hawks ever will since we have Melo, KP and have the ability still to bring in another guy. PLUS, he is Dominican and we got a boatload of those f**kers here in NY, lol (I'm half Hispanic so I guess that comment's okay, lol).I like this scenario because we could come to a sign-and-trade agreement using Robin Lopez to offset his incoming max-salary and still retain a lot of our flexibility moving forward. And with Mike Muscala having shown promise in the past and Tiago Splitter already on the team, the Hawks might be fine with letting him go. Afterall, there is talk of them looking to go young: dumping Jeff Teague and promoting Dennis Schroder to starter.
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PG: Mario Chalmers
SG: DeMarr Derozan
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Kristaps Porzingis
C: Al HorfordROTATION
G: Jerian Grant
G: Langston Galloway
F: Lance Thomas
F: Derrick Williams
C: Nene/Lou Amundson....with a puncher's chance of getting Russell Westbrook in 2016 (and me liking the scenario a little more because of how close we'd be to being legitimate contenders).
Well i have to say that you have a great imagination to be able to come up with some great scenarios and all 3 of these teams you came up with and the ways you have us making them happen are great but they're also pretty unrealistic. If we could come away with this 3rd team you made up we'd be competing in the east right away and competing for a championship. If we could get D.Derozan, A.Horford, M.Chalmers and NeNe Hilario...................oh my goodness i'd be ecstatic.
Why is it unrealistic? The money works if we manage to dump Jose and O'Quinn, while sending Robin Lopez to the Hawks. We'd effectively have $54 million in cap space to spread between DeMar Derozan ($20 million), Al Horford ($25 million), Mario Chalmers ($8 million) and Nene ($5 million via the mini-mid level exception).
newyorker4ever wrote:NardDogNation wrote:....though I'm inclined to tell Aaron Afflalo to kick rocks, pass on the opportunity to sign either Lance Stephenson or Kent Bazemore and instead use that money to throw a front-loaded deal at Demarr Derozan. I haven't been a fan of his game but I do think he could fit the triangle and would still have room for improvement. If I'm not mistaken, he's an unrestricted free agent, right? I doubt he leaves Toronto but stranger things have happened....STARTERS
PG: Mario Chalmers
SG: Demarr Derozan
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Kristaps Porzingis
C: Robin LopezROTATION
G: Langston Galloway
G: Jerian Grant
F: Lance Thomas
F: Derrick Williams
C: Nene/Lou Amundson....with the opportunity to still sign Russell Westbrook me in 2016. Me likey (despite still feeling that Russell Westbrook is fool's gold).
I actually don't think Derozan fits the triangle but if he tried to work his game on it i'd be good with him but he isn't leaving Toronto. Him and Lowery love playing with each other and they're a top 3 team in the east.
Truth be told, I'm not terribly familiar with Derozan's game. My interest in him is based entirely on theory. But I figure that these qualities are all things that translate favorably in the triangle:
1.) His ability to excel next to a superior player that has the ball more often. Speaks to Derozan's ablity to score with limited touches and to move without the ball.
2.) Derozan's propensity to score in the midrange and finish (with dunks) at the rim.
And from what I've heard, Derozan is a solid defender and a willing passer. That, along with his age makes me intrigued by the role he could play for us.
NardDogNation wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Going to add to my previous post in this thread. I had forgotten about Knicks drafting a Spanish young big guy in Hernangomez who is a powerful block player. Quite a good compliment to what Porzingis likes to do. Factor we have Calderon. If Pau wants, he can get a really nice situation here going to be a mentor for both a young Spanish player and KP. Play with Jose, and in the offense he has had the most success with. Now the note I'm going to add, is if we still have O'Quinn, and are able to sign Pau - who would be like signing an all-star level free agent - the Knicks now can move Lopez. I really like Lopez, he is a heck of a role playing big man. However if Hernangomez can play even 10-15 minutes a game next year, signing Pau allows the Knicks to move Lopez via trade for some guard/perimeter help. I do believe Lopez on the contract he is on is a valuable trade chip. I really like the guy though, and think he's a good partner for Porzingis/Melo as well. My scenario is based on Knicks not being able to sign Conley/Batum/DeRozan. If not, then the best guy available talent wise who would fit on offense is Pau. We may already be loaded in this spot, but he can do things no one else on the current roster can. Great post player. Great passer. Very smart player. Great mentor for Porzingis/Hernangomez as well.Theoretically we could go with signing Gasol and Courtney Lee, re-signing Gallo and Thomas.
Gasol/O'Quinn/Hernangomez
Porzingis/Thomas
Melo/Thanasis
Afflalo/Lee/Galloway
Calderon/GrantWhat could Lopez fetch via trade? If it's a starting caliber 2 or 1, we've got something going. Much stronger playoff ability roster there. Could easily see us switch places with Chicago in the standings and move within the top 4.
Interesting to see what they do in the summer.Robin Lopez for Wes Matthews?
W.Mathews isn't the same W.Mathews as he was before his injury so i'd stay clear of him. It's really too bad cause he was a really good player before the injury and a lot of people on here wanted us to take the chance on him that Dallas did.
NardDogNation wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:NardDogNation wrote:....I also don't think that Al Horford is a lock to re-sign with the Hawks. He's old enough where he'd be thinking about championships and as crazy as this sounds....I think the Knicks can get closer to one than the Hawks ever will since we have Melo, KP and have the ability still to bring in another guy. PLUS, he is Dominican and we got a boatload of those f**kers here in NY, lol (I'm half Hispanic so I guess that comment's okay, lol).I like this scenario because we could come to a sign-and-trade agreement using Robin Lopez to offset his incoming max-salary and still retain a lot of our flexibility moving forward. And with Mike Muscala having shown promise in the past and Tiago Splitter already on the team, the Hawks might be fine with letting him go. Afterall, there is talk of them looking to go young: dumping Jeff Teague and promoting Dennis Schroder to starter.
STARTERS
PG: Mario Chalmers
SG: DeMarr Derozan
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Kristaps Porzingis
C: Al HorfordROTATION
G: Jerian Grant
G: Langston Galloway
F: Lance Thomas
F: Derrick Williams
C: Nene/Lou Amundson....with a puncher's chance of getting Russell Westbrook in 2016 (and me liking the scenario a little more because of how close we'd be to being legitimate contenders).
Well i have to say that you have a great imagination to be able to come up with some great scenarios and all 3 of these teams you came up with and the ways you have us making them happen are great but they're also pretty unrealistic. If we could come away with this 3rd team you made up we'd be competing in the east right away and competing for a championship. If we could get D.Derozan, A.Horford, M.Chalmers and NeNe Hilario...................oh my goodness i'd be ecstatic.Why is it unrealistic? The money works if we manage to dump Jose and O'Quinn, while sending Robin Lopez to the Hawks. We'd effectively have $54 million in cap space to spread between DeMar Derozan ($20 million), Al Horford ($25 million), Mario Chalmers ($8 million) and Nene ($5 million via the mini-mid level exception).
I'm not saying the money couldn't work i'm saying that it's unrealistic to do everything you have us doing while adding two really good/great players and a decent point guard and NeNe. That's a lot of good pieces for any team to add in one off season.....it's unrealistic.
Gasol/O'Quinn/Hernangomez
Porzingis/Thomas
Melo/Parsons
Afflalo/Lee
Grant/Galloway/Calderon
That team is about 10 wins better than this one, at the very least. You could also play really smaller quicker highly skilled lineups like Porzingis or Gasol at 5, Melo at 4, Parsons at 3, Galloway at 2 and Calderon or Grant at 1.
Think we should look at it from outside the box - look at good fits with the most talent as opposed to the generic "positional" basketball needs. Yes Conley, Batum or DeRozan all make sense to a degree, but tons of teams are after them and they'll get huge offers. We may not be in position to get any of them. So instead of paying players who have been career 5th options or backups - starter money - we go out and make our strengths (front court) even stronger with Gasol/Parsons, improve our effectiveness in the Triangle/offense, and hope that with some development from Grant, less minute load on Afflalo (by signing a guy like Lee) we don't run into the same issues we're seeing this year. With Gasol we'll have a legit post up option, with Parsons a really good triple threat player who can fill in when Melo is hurt, and there's some realistic hope that Porzingis can elevate into a better scorer next year.
I'd pursue Batum, DeRozan and Conley (and flirt with Durant obviously, knowing he's likely not coming) - and also touch base with Pau Gasol and Dwight Howard. Both guys are major league talent, despite being in their 30's. Making your strengths even stronger isn't a bad thing. Even if your weaknesses don't improve as much, instead of being a team that can score 100 a night (on average) you're now capable to score 103 or 104. That's going to help as well. Just upgrade, period. Doesn't have to be at the weaker positions even tough obvious where we need the most help is at SG/PG.
nyknickzingis wrote:Not Matthews, but I'd see if I could get a sign and trade for Parsons, perhaps. Parsons would be a great fit in the Triangle and type of offense we do. Good bench guy.Gasol/O'Quinn/Hernangomez
Porzingis/Thomas
Melo/Parsons
Afflalo/Lee
Grant/Galloway/CalderonThat team is about 10 wins better than this one, at the very least. You could also play really smaller quicker highly skilled lineups like Porzingis or Gasol at 5, Melo at 4, Parsons at 3, Galloway at 2 and Calderon or Grant at 1.
Think we should look at it from outside the box - look at good fits with the most talent as opposed to the generic "positional" basketball needs. Yes Conley, Batum or DeRozan all make sense to a degree, but tons of teams are after them and they'll get huge offers. We may not be in position to get any of them. So instead of paying players who have been career 5th options or backups - starter money - we go out and make our strengths (front court) even stronger with Gasol/Parsons, improve our effectiveness in the Triangle/offense, and hope that with some development from Grant, less minute load on Afflalo (by signing a guy like Lee) we don't run into the same issues we're seeing this year. With Gasol we'll have a legit post up option, with Parsons a really good triple threat player who can fill in when Melo is hurt, and there's some realistic hope that Porzingis can elevate into a better scorer next year.
Parsons is not going to come to NY to be a back up and it would be kind of hard playing him at the two although he would be an upgrade fro AA. Anyway, Parsons has an opt out this summer he can use so a S&T would not be necessary if the F.O. can work the back channels. I think Parsons stays in Dallas and shows loyalty to Cuban.
Parsons in the NY market could maybe help his brand some but who knows.
nyknickzingis wrote:Not Matthews, but I'd see if I could get a sign and trade for Parsons, perhaps. Parsons would be a great fit in the Triangle and type of offense we do. Good bench guy.Gasol/O'Quinn/Hernangomez
Porzingis/Thomas
Melo/Parsons
Afflalo/Lee
Grant/Galloway/CalderonThat team is about 10 wins better than this one, at the very least. You could also play really smaller quicker highly skilled lineups like Porzingis or Gasol at 5, Melo at 4, Parsons at 3, Galloway at 2 and Calderon or Grant at 1.
Think we should look at it from outside the box - look at good fits with the most talent as opposed to the generic "positional" basketball needs. Yes Conley, Batum or DeRozan all make sense to a degree, but tons of teams are after them and they'll get huge offers. We may not be in position to get any of them. So instead of paying players who have been career 5th options or backups - starter money - we go out and make our strengths (front court) even stronger with Gasol/Parsons, improve our effectiveness in the Triangle/offense, and hope that with some development from Grant, less minute load on Afflalo (by signing a guy like Lee) we don't run into the same issues we're seeing this year. With Gasol we'll have a legit post up option, with Parsons a really good triple threat player who can fill in when Melo is hurt, and there's some realistic hope that Porzingis can elevate into a better scorer next year.
I'd pursue Batum, DeRozan and Conley (and flirt with Durant obviously, knowing he's likely not coming) - and also touch base with Pau Gasol and Dwight Howard. Both guys are major league talent, despite being in their 30's. Making your strengths even stronger isn't a bad thing. Even if your weaknesses don't improve as much, instead of being a team that can score 100 a night (on average) you're now capable to score 103 or 104. That's going to help as well. Just upgrade, period. Doesn't have to be at the weaker positions even tough obvious where we need the most help is at SG/PG.
So if you could make our off season we'd still end up having the same back court that is killing us this year for next year?? I don't even know what to say to that. I know you've been watching the games cause you're posting in the gameday threads so how can you not see where we need the upgrades at the most. I would love to get Gasol and actually think we have a good chance at getting him but if we still have the same point guards we're still not gonna be able to win the games we're gonna need to win the the playoffs. Calderon and Gallo aren't gonna get any better than what they are now and Grant of course will get better but from what i'm seeing he's really far off from being a significant player for us. I'd rather do a Gasol and Chalmers over a Gasol and Parsons. I know Parsons is better than Chalmers but he's not needed with this team as much as a better point guard is. We have to upgrade at point guard no matter what in my opinion. If Phil can find the right point guard that can do the things needed in this system then it doesn't even have to be a all star point guard which is why i said Chalmers.
And as I said, if you can land someone like Gasol/Howard/Horford, you can then trade RoLo for a guard. This team getting a player like Horford or Gasol or Howard would help them, in a way upgrading from Calderon to Mario Chalmers or Affalo to Brazemore wouldn't. My first objective would be to sign Conley, Batum or DeRozan. But if all 3 don't land here, I wouldn't blow my cap money on role players.
newyorker4ever wrote:NardDogNation wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:NardDogNation wrote:....I also don't think that Al Horford is a lock to re-sign with the Hawks. He's old enough where he'd be thinking about championships and as crazy as this sounds....I think the Knicks can get closer to one than the Hawks ever will since we have Melo, KP and have the ability still to bring in another guy. PLUS, he is Dominican and we got a boatload of those f**kers here in NY, lol (I'm half Hispanic so I guess that comment's okay, lol).I like this scenario because we could come to a sign-and-trade agreement using Robin Lopez to offset his incoming max-salary and still retain a lot of our flexibility moving forward. And with Mike Muscala having shown promise in the past and Tiago Splitter already on the team, the Hawks might be fine with letting him go. Afterall, there is talk of them looking to go young: dumping Jeff Teague and promoting Dennis Schroder to starter.
STARTERS
PG: Mario Chalmers
SG: DeMarr Derozan
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Kristaps Porzingis
C: Al HorfordROTATION
G: Jerian Grant
G: Langston Galloway
F: Lance Thomas
F: Derrick Williams
C: Nene/Lou Amundson....with a puncher's chance of getting Russell Westbrook in 2016 (and me liking the scenario a little more because of how close we'd be to being legitimate contenders).
Well i have to say that you have a great imagination to be able to come up with some great scenarios and all 3 of these teams you came up with and the ways you have us making them happen are great but they're also pretty unrealistic. If we could come away with this 3rd team you made up we'd be competing in the east right away and competing for a championship. If we could get D.Derozan, A.Horford, M.Chalmers and NeNe Hilario...................oh my goodness i'd be ecstatic.Why is it unrealistic? The money works if we manage to dump Jose and O'Quinn, while sending Robin Lopez to the Hawks. We'd effectively have $54 million in cap space to spread between DeMar Derozan ($20 million), Al Horford ($25 million), Mario Chalmers ($8 million) and Nene ($5 million via the mini-mid level exception).
I'm not saying the money couldn't work i'm saying that it's unrealistic to do everything you have us doing while adding two really good/great players and a decent point guard and NeNe. That's a lot of good pieces for any team to add in one off season.....it's unrealistic.
The Miami Heat managed to acquire LeBron James, Chris Bosh and (primed) Mike Miller in just one offseason.
Cleveland then re-acquired LeBron James and traded for Kevin Love in one offseason.
The Boston Celtics traded for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett in one offseason. Then proceeded to sign James Posey, PJ Brown and a host of solid role players in the process.
The Lakers, that same season, managed to acquire Pau Gasol and Trevor Ariza midseason. And if I'm not mistaken Derek Fisher in the previous offseason.
Was all that unrealistic?