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Knicks1969 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We cant go too far with this back courtWell i think that's been quite obvious for a while now but we need a heck of a lot more than just a new back court. We need a big man that can do the things that KOQ and Seraphin can't do..............which is almost everything.
I agree with you. KO is not as athletic as I would like for a 6'10" big. We should look into bringing Asik to NY to be our backup big. If we can pry one of their PGs in the deal, it will be even better. Holiday, Asik and a pick for KO and Calderon...just to throw things out there
What is this? Why don't you just throw out there that Durant, Westbrook would be a good trade for Jose, KO? This does have to fit some sort of reality, right?
Knicks1969 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We cant go too far with this back courtWell i think that's been quite obvious for a while now but we need a heck of a lot more than just a new back court. We need a big man that can do the things that KOQ and Seraphin can't do..............which is almost everything.
I agree with you. KO is not as athletic as I would like for a 6'10" big. We should look into bringing Asik to NY to be our backup big. If we can pry one of their PGs in the deal, it will be even better. Holiday, Asik and a pick for KO and Calderon...just to throw things out there
When you say "and a pick" you must be talking about a 1st round pick cause that's what it would need to be to get them to take Calderon, KOQ and to give us J.Holiday so for me if i was giving up a 1st round pick which i really don't wanna do anymore but if i did then it would have to be for a better return then Holiday and Asik. I like Holiday but he's injured a lot and i think Asik is on a pretty rich contract right?? A 1st round pick can get us a really good player if we find the right deal with the right team. I do like Asik but we have W.Hermangomez coming over to play with us next year and unless we trade him we'll still have KOQ but i don't see Seraphin being with us next year so i'd love to get a big that can rebound, play defense and bang down low and don't see that being Hermangomez in his first year with us.
Knicks1969 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:helloharv wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Afflalo should be used as a post up guy, outside of that a spot up shooter (3 ball mainly). Too many times we give him the ball in the mid-range area - which leads him trying to create something which he simply is not good at. He is reliable to take a good look 2 ways. A spot up 3 from outside (whether he makes it or not, it is a good shot for us) or him posting up inside.Afflalo leads the team in points per possession for post ups.
http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/post-up/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=TeamNameAbbreviation
In contrast, we should avoid Porzingis in the post even when often the mismatch is glaring, and try to get him more looks from outside or on the move. We want to get Porzingis the ball when he's on the move or spotting up. He's our worst scorer in post ups. Porzingis still has major advantage in shooting over guys much smaller over him on the move. We don't have to post him up to take advantage of that. He isn't ready in that area of the game. His post game needs a year or two to hone. Porzingis shoots 1.1/3.2 on three pointers which the equivalent of scoring at over 50 percent in the post. His post FG percentage is actually very low - in the 30's. People complain about his 3 ball, but look at Curry/Thompson. You want natural gifted shooters like Porzingis to be that rare player who has the green light to "get them up" from outside. Any time Porzingis has a look as a jumpshot he should take it.
In a way we miss Calderon on offense. He was smart in directing and organizing the offense. I think the team's record with Lopez/Porzingis/Melo/Afflalo/Calderon all healthy and playing is quite good - of a playoff team. Ever since Melo rolled his ankle, it's just been one thing after another with this team and our playoff hopes have gone down the tubes with it.
I'm not upset with Afflalo, he's given his best and done what he can. The team doesn't have the depth to deal with injuries to their veteran/top 5 players. Since Melo has rolled his ankle, I believe we've had 3 games where the top 5 players on the team have been available. Have gone 2-1 in that stretch. If we don't have these guys the rest of the way, I can't see us even finishing at .500 (41 wins). We need Afflalo, Jose, Melo, KP and Lopez to be healthy the rest of the way.
Good post - I agree with you on most points. We should be running a 2 man game more often with KP and having him actually coming off screens looking for his jump shot.
Did you say "coming off screens?" Don't you know that we are amongst the worst screening teams in the league? Aflalo should be allowed to go through shooting slumps,but he is not rebounding nor passing the ball to open shooters. Why don't they (coaches, teammates, or even the media) ask him why he is not making a bigger effort to pass the ball and rebound?
Our back court is terrible at defending, scoring and rebounding.
How do you know what coaches and teammates are saying to him??Because the dude has been playing like this all season. He is not rebounding nor dishing
He's had a lot of games that he's played really well in and he's actually won some games for us so i wouldn't say he's been bad all year at all. I know you don't like Fisher but Fisher is a very smart man and i'm sure they're trying their best to get Afflalo to do other things like passing and rebounding but he's 30 so when a guy has been playing a certain way as long as he has it's hard to get that player to change. I hope he opts out after this year and Phil moves on from him and signs a new SG.
martin wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:We cant go too far with this back courtWell i think that's been quite obvious for a while now but we need a heck of a lot more than just a new back court. We need a big man that can do the things that KOQ and Seraphin can't do..............which is almost everything.
I agree with you. KO is not as athletic as I would like for a 6'10" big. We should look into bringing Asik to NY to be our backup big. If we can pry one of their PGs in the deal, it will be even better. Holiday, Asik and a pick for KO and Calderon...just to throw things out there
What is this? Why don't you just throw out there that Durant, Westbrook would be a good trade for Jose, KO? This does have to fit some sort of reality, right?
I know Martin...we don't really have assets to offer. I don't want to part with Williams nor Lance
newyorker4ever wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:helloharv wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Afflalo should be used as a post up guy, outside of that a spot up shooter (3 ball mainly). Too many times we give him the ball in the mid-range area - which leads him trying to create something which he simply is not good at. He is reliable to take a good look 2 ways. A spot up 3 from outside (whether he makes it or not, it is a good shot for us) or him posting up inside.Afflalo leads the team in points per possession for post ups.
http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/post-up/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=TeamNameAbbreviation
In contrast, we should avoid Porzingis in the post even when often the mismatch is glaring, and try to get him more looks from outside or on the move. We want to get Porzingis the ball when he's on the move or spotting up. He's our worst scorer in post ups. Porzingis still has major advantage in shooting over guys much smaller over him on the move. We don't have to post him up to take advantage of that. He isn't ready in that area of the game. His post game needs a year or two to hone. Porzingis shoots 1.1/3.2 on three pointers which the equivalent of scoring at over 50 percent in the post. His post FG percentage is actually very low - in the 30's. People complain about his 3 ball, but look at Curry/Thompson. You want natural gifted shooters like Porzingis to be that rare player who has the green light to "get them up" from outside. Any time Porzingis has a look as a jumpshot he should take it.
In a way we miss Calderon on offense. He was smart in directing and organizing the offense. I think the team's record with Lopez/Porzingis/Melo/Afflalo/Calderon all healthy and playing is quite good - of a playoff team. Ever since Melo rolled his ankle, it's just been one thing after another with this team and our playoff hopes have gone down the tubes with it.
I'm not upset with Afflalo, he's given his best and done what he can. The team doesn't have the depth to deal with injuries to their veteran/top 5 players. Since Melo has rolled his ankle, I believe we've had 3 games where the top 5 players on the team have been available. Have gone 2-1 in that stretch. If we don't have these guys the rest of the way, I can't see us even finishing at .500 (41 wins). We need Afflalo, Jose, Melo, KP and Lopez to be healthy the rest of the way.
Good post - I agree with you on most points. We should be running a 2 man game more often with KP and having him actually coming off screens looking for his jump shot.
Did you say "coming off screens?" Don't you know that we are amongst the worst screening teams in the league? Aflalo should be allowed to go through shooting slumps,but he is not rebounding nor passing the ball to open shooters. Why don't they (coaches, teammates, or even the media) ask him why he is not making a bigger effort to pass the ball and rebound?
Our back court is terrible at defending, scoring and rebounding.
How do you know what coaches and teammates are saying to him??Because the dude has been playing like this all season. He is not rebounding nor dishing
He's had a lot of games that he's played really well in and he's actually won some games for us so i wouldn't say he's been bad all year at all. I know you don't like Fisher but Fisher is a very smart man and i'm sure they're trying their best to get Afflalo to do other things like passing and rebounding but he's 30 so when a guy has been playing a certain way as long as he has it's hard to get that player to change. I hope he opts out after this year and Phil moves on from him and signs a new SG.
Again, I am not complaining about him not making shots. I don't like the fact that he looks to score every time he touched the ball. I further don't like his meager attempt to rebound the ball
Knicks1969 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:helloharv wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Afflalo should be used as a post up guy, outside of that a spot up shooter (3 ball mainly). Too many times we give him the ball in the mid-range area - which leads him trying to create something which he simply is not good at. He is reliable to take a good look 2 ways. A spot up 3 from outside (whether he makes it or not, it is a good shot for us) or him posting up inside.Afflalo leads the team in points per possession for post ups.
http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/post-up/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=TeamNameAbbreviation
In contrast, we should avoid Porzingis in the post even when often the mismatch is glaring, and try to get him more looks from outside or on the move. We want to get Porzingis the ball when he's on the move or spotting up. He's our worst scorer in post ups. Porzingis still has major advantage in shooting over guys much smaller over him on the move. We don't have to post him up to take advantage of that. He isn't ready in that area of the game. His post game needs a year or two to hone. Porzingis shoots 1.1/3.2 on three pointers which the equivalent of scoring at over 50 percent in the post. His post FG percentage is actually very low - in the 30's. People complain about his 3 ball, but look at Curry/Thompson. You want natural gifted shooters like Porzingis to be that rare player who has the green light to "get them up" from outside. Any time Porzingis has a look as a jumpshot he should take it.
In a way we miss Calderon on offense. He was smart in directing and organizing the offense. I think the team's record with Lopez/Porzingis/Melo/Afflalo/Calderon all healthy and playing is quite good - of a playoff team. Ever since Melo rolled his ankle, it's just been one thing after another with this team and our playoff hopes have gone down the tubes with it.
I'm not upset with Afflalo, he's given his best and done what he can. The team doesn't have the depth to deal with injuries to their veteran/top 5 players. Since Melo has rolled his ankle, I believe we've had 3 games where the top 5 players on the team have been available. Have gone 2-1 in that stretch. If we don't have these guys the rest of the way, I can't see us even finishing at .500 (41 wins). We need Afflalo, Jose, Melo, KP and Lopez to be healthy the rest of the way.
Good post - I agree with you on most points. We should be running a 2 man game more often with KP and having him actually coming off screens looking for his jump shot.
Did you say "coming off screens?" Don't you know that we are amongst the worst screening teams in the league? Aflalo should be allowed to go through shooting slumps,but he is not rebounding nor passing the ball to open shooters. Why don't they (coaches, teammates, or even the media) ask him why he is not making a bigger effort to pass the ball and rebound?
Our back court is terrible at defending, scoring and rebounding.
How do you know what coaches and teammates are saying to him??Because the dude has been playing like this all season. He is not rebounding nor dishing
He's had a lot of games that he's played really well in and he's actually won some games for us so i wouldn't say he's been bad all year at all. I know you don't like Fisher but Fisher is a very smart man and i'm sure they're trying their best to get Afflalo to do other things like passing and rebounding but he's 30 so when a guy has been playing a certain way as long as he has it's hard to get that player to change. I hope he opts out after this year and Phil moves on from him and signs a new SG.Again, I am not complaining about him not making shots. I don't like the fact that he looks to score every time he touched the ball. I further don't like his meager attempt to rebound the ball
He is just bad at basketball.
Not a winning player and him being our starter just shows that we have long way to go to became a decent NBA team.
newyorker4ever wrote:helloharv wrote:fishmike wrote:He's a stop gap. Knicks werent signing an all star back court last season. Considering the circumstances AA/Jose have been good. Everyone knows that is the focus of upgrading the roster.stop gap? so how do we upgrade BOTH PG and SG this summer? when we only have enough money to bring in one very good player ?
Easy. Instead of bringing in one very good player you bring in two good players. I think people are sleeping on J.Crawford cause he's still got two good years left in him and he can play both guard spots.
Jamal Crawford?
Or Jae Crowder? Would love him.
Really Boston is the only viable trade partner if we can get a 3rd team involved cos they are not helping us directly. Eventhough we won't be getting Crowder back unless they want Melo. It would be something like Lopez, DW & Grant going and the Knicks getting Boston's Nets #3 pick and David Lee's expiring.
Then draft Ben Simmons(SG), Kris Dunn(PG), Jamal Murray(PG/SG), Wade Baldwin, Demetrius Jackson(PG)or Furkan Korkmaz(SG)
Team KP up with Kne of these guys and Melo will ride off into the Sunset in NY
GustavBahler wrote:I get that our starting backcourt is a stop gap, but I do believe there are players in the US (or abroad) who could serve as better stop gaps if mgmt looks hard enough, if they aren't already. Even a slight upgrade to the backcourt might make a big difference.you have to factor in the risk of disrupting chemistry and then some adjustment period. If there isnt a clear talent jump its a tough call to make.
Phil strikes me as the patient follow the course type of manager
Knicks1969 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:helloharv wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Afflalo should be used as a post up guy, outside of that a spot up shooter (3 ball mainly). Too many times we give him the ball in the mid-range area - which leads him trying to create something which he simply is not good at. He is reliable to take a good look 2 ways. A spot up 3 from outside (whether he makes it or not, it is a good shot for us) or him posting up inside.Afflalo leads the team in points per possession for post ups.
http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/post-up/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=TeamNameAbbreviation
In contrast, we should avoid Porzingis in the post even when often the mismatch is glaring, and try to get him more looks from outside or on the move. We want to get Porzingis the ball when he's on the move or spotting up. He's our worst scorer in post ups. Porzingis still has major advantage in shooting over guys much smaller over him on the move. We don't have to post him up to take advantage of that. He isn't ready in that area of the game. His post game needs a year or two to hone. Porzingis shoots 1.1/3.2 on three pointers which the equivalent of scoring at over 50 percent in the post. His post FG percentage is actually very low - in the 30's. People complain about his 3 ball, but look at Curry/Thompson. You want natural gifted shooters like Porzingis to be that rare player who has the green light to "get them up" from outside. Any time Porzingis has a look as a jumpshot he should take it.
In a way we miss Calderon on offense. He was smart in directing and organizing the offense. I think the team's record with Lopez/Porzingis/Melo/Afflalo/Calderon all healthy and playing is quite good - of a playoff team. Ever since Melo rolled his ankle, it's just been one thing after another with this team and our playoff hopes have gone down the tubes with it.
I'm not upset with Afflalo, he's given his best and done what he can. The team doesn't have the depth to deal with injuries to their veteran/top 5 players. Since Melo has rolled his ankle, I believe we've had 3 games where the top 5 players on the team have been available. Have gone 2-1 in that stretch. If we don't have these guys the rest of the way, I can't see us even finishing at .500 (41 wins). We need Afflalo, Jose, Melo, KP and Lopez to be healthy the rest of the way.
Good post - I agree with you on most points. We should be running a 2 man game more often with KP and having him actually coming off screens looking for his jump shot.
Did you say "coming off screens?" Don't you know that we are amongst the worst screening teams in the league? Aflalo should be allowed to go through shooting slumps,but he is not rebounding nor passing the ball to open shooters. Why don't they (coaches, teammates, or even the media) ask him why he is not making a bigger effort to pass the ball and rebound?
Our back court is terrible at defending, scoring and rebounding.
How do you know what coaches and teammates are saying to him??Because the dude has been playing like this all season. He is not rebounding nor dishing
He's had a lot of games that he's played really well in and he's actually won some games for us so i wouldn't say he's been bad all year at all. I know you don't like Fisher but Fisher is a very smart man and i'm sure they're trying their best to get Afflalo to do other things like passing and rebounding but he's 30 so when a guy has been playing a certain way as long as he has it's hard to get that player to change. I hope he opts out after this year and Phil moves on from him and signs a new SG.Again, I am not complaining about him not making shots. I don't like the fact that he looks to score every time he touched the ball. I further don't like his meager attempt to rebound the ball
Yes he absolutely needs to learn how to pass and rebound more but if it hasn't been his game for this long and i haven't gone back to check his past stats then it's gonna be hard to get him to start doing it now.
knicks1248 wrote:You guys kill me, you guys act like we had better options at the time we signed him.
there may have not been better options, but there is no doubt at this point that he has not earned the minutes he is getting. a reduction in his minutes is the best course of action, while increasing galloway's.
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I get that our starting backcourt is a stop gap, but I do believe there are players in the US (or abroad) who could serve as better stop gaps if mgmt looks hard enough, if they aren't already. Even a slight upgrade to the backcourt might make a big difference.you have to factor in the risk of disrupting chemistry and then some adjustment period. If there isnt a clear talent jump its a tough call to make.Phil strikes me as the patient follow the course type of manager
I believe you show patience with rooks, younger players. Aging veterans who are just going to get slower, should have a shorter leash IMO. Doesnt have to be this season, but I sure dont want this to be the starting backcourt next year.
I understand that this is a transition period to better players with heftier contracts, at the same time I believe the Knicks should try to improve the backcourt precisely because the team can afford to take a chance. Might be the worst backcourt in the league, one of them anyway. If Phil is dead set on making the playoffs, then improving the backcourt is a must, even a slight improvement. Dont believe the chemistry is so good that they shouldnt try to upgrade the backcourt, even a slight upgrade.
dk7th wrote:knicks1248 wrote:You guys kill me, you guys act like we had better options at the time we signed him.there may have not been better options, but there is no doubt at this point that he has not earned the minutes he is getting. a reduction in his minutes is the best course of action, while increasing galloway's.
It's crazy how the same people who defend fisher, have issues with certain players minutes, who's responsibility does that fall on.
Galloways minutes have not been adjusted throughout the season despite his up and down play, so why should he adjust AA's. I think he misses calderon, because he had to work a lot less for his shot when they play together.
There's been a lot of games where everyone of us will ask, "WHY ISN'T SUCH AND SUCH PLAYER NOT IN THE GAME".
We had the personnel to match up with GS and never once tried it
Dwill
melo
AA
Lance
Gallow
Spread the floor
reub wrote:I've noticed that Ricky Ledo is on fire in the D league. He made 7 of 9 threes the other night. Is he still a possibility?
Hellz no
newyorker4ever wrote:nyknickzingis wrote:Our backcourt is not great, and it is unlikely to improve via free agency unless they are able to sign Conley or DeRozan or Batum. As is, the best thing the Knicks can do is hope Grant improves next season. Grant is already there in many areas, his main weakness is his 3 ball/outside shot. He delivers passes well, drives well, doesn't finish great but can finish. He's just a poor outside shooter and that is what he has to work on. Defensively Grant is very solid.At 2, I'd love to get a Batum/DeRozan, but realistically will this happen? Don't know. I'm ok with signing another short term guy like Courtney Lee to pair with Afflalo, keep Galloway as well. If Afflalo's minutes can be reduced to 25 next year, it will go a long way for him and us. As I said in the previous post, his post game is very good. He's decent at spotting up. The main weakness is giving him the ball from mid-range and telling him to go to work as if he's some star. We have to cut that out next season.
Wow, i have to say that you're seeing a much different J.Grant than i've been seeing. He needs to get better at much more than just his shot. Very solid defense?? I don't see it but it's ok. His passing needs work and his finishing at the rim definitely needs work cause he misses easy layups, he missed one that he was all alone on the other night and he's missing free throws. I do see things in him that i think he'll get better at but he needs to work his butt off this off season and i think he will. Hopefully we'll see a whole new player in him next season.
Grant's passes have been much much better lately. He was extremely confused early on in the season as to where he should be passing. He's a guy who had played in a more traditional offense, and has needed time to understand where and how to play in the Triangle. Both Grant and Galloway miss some good looks at the basket - but here's the thing. If they were able to finish around the basket at a high level, they wouldn't be available for the Knicks to pick up. Guys like Grant fall down to 19 in a draft because they're not great at scoring inside or shooting the ball from outside. They are guys who can constantly push the ball, dribble penetrate, bring energy and yes defend.
Where he struggles is his outside shot because it's a must in the offense and set up we have around Melo, that our guards be able to shoot. On the season Jerian is 8-52 from 3 point range, which is awful.
Hardest position in the league to learn in the NBA is the point guard. Factor he's having to learn the Triangle as well.
GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:I get that our starting backcourt is a stop gap, but I do believe there are players in the US (or abroad) who could serve as better stop gaps if mgmt looks hard enough, if they aren't already. Even a slight upgrade to the backcourt might make a big difference.you have to factor in the risk of disrupting chemistry and then some adjustment period. If there isnt a clear talent jump its a tough call to make.Phil strikes me as the patient follow the course type of manager
I believe you show patience with rooks, younger players. Aging veterans who are just going to get slower, should have a shorter leash IMO. Doesnt have to be this season, but I sure dont want this to be the starting backcourt next year.
I understand that this is a transition period to better players with heftier contracts, at the same time I believe the Knicks should try to improve the backcourt precisely because the team can afford to take a chance. Might be the worst backcourt in the league, one of them anyway. If Phil is dead set on making the playoffs, then improving the backcourt is a must, even a slight improvement. Dont believe the chemistry is so good that they shouldnt try to upgrade the backcourt, even a slight upgrade.
I think Phil is more dead set on building this team the right way even if it takes another year or two then he is dead set on making the playoffs this year.
knicks1248 wrote:dk7th wrote:knicks1248 wrote:You guys kill me, you guys act like we had better options at the time we signed him.there may have not been better options, but there is no doubt at this point that he has not earned the minutes he is getting. a reduction in his minutes is the best course of action, while increasing galloway's.
It's crazy how the same people who defend fisher, have issues with certain players minutes, who's responsibility does that fall on.
Galloways minutes have not been adjusted throughout the season despite his up and down play, so why should he adjust AA's. I think he misses calderon, because he had to work a lot less for his shot when they play together.
There's been a lot of games where everyone of us will ask, "WHY ISN'T SUCH AND SUCH PLAYER NOT IN THE GAME".
We had the personnel to match up with GS and never once tried itDwill
melo
AA
Lance
GallowSpread the floor
Hahaha nobody has the personnel to match up with GSW and we definitely don't. I've never not once asked why a certain player isn't in the game cause i understand that Fisher has a rotation that none of us know how he wants it to work and none of us know how he wants to rest certain guys at certain times.