Knicks · admiration for sticking to the plan....... (page 1)

We won 17 games last year and on pace to double that. With the additions and development its nearly impossible to accurately gauge what this team is capable of.
With the team falling further below .500 its reasonable to question the new players Phil bought in and the Coach's ability.

Naturally the assumption that its easily correctable. Its not.

What should be done? Do we leverage the few assets we have to have a quick fix to make a playoff run? If so, does it further inhibit our future and stay in mediocrity?
Our back court is very needy and its out problem.

For what its worth teams that ride it out and not blow assets for a quick fix can turn it around with greater substance in the future.
For what its worth, if we stay the course its painful to be a part of it but usually patience is rewarded. I hope the knicks defy the urge and stick to it long term. Even if it means trading Melo.

If sticking to the process is a worthy exercise Im ok with it. We have seen what the team is capable of and they can hang with anyone when they got their head straight! I have said it before, inconsistency comes before consistency. You don't skip the process.

Regarding Fish, we don't know if Phil is happy or not. We don't know if Phil is right there and encouraging the team to play thru it. Play thru the process and find itself!!! Ten steps forward, two steps back.
We see it, team drops a few games, then plays well for stretch's. Fans get excited.

Then it hits a wall. We don't know a lot about what trades are contemplated or what our 6 assistant coach's are working on. Fans like to extrapolate a successful team and think the personel would translate that success if they were Knick employees. Luke Walton is all glamorous on paper until the sobering fact is he would still have our back court to coach.

Even redundant insulations of the starphuck coaching concept can sound convincing but its just wishful thinking. The talent has to be upgraded for that to happen. No draft pick to be excited about and no visual evidence we are improving. Unless you look at the fact we only won 10 games at this point a year ago.

10 games. It was that bad. Its a lot better now. IM not "settling", Im just realistic. Nalod said 32-37 wins as a prediction. Its was not my hope, it was just my expectation. Most of you were right there. What changed? When the team played over its head for a time and some of you took it as the baseline? No crime in that.

Few teams in history go from 17 wins and being god awful to making the playoffs in one season. Its getting better, just not fast enough for most. Gut check time.

phil did a respectable job in personnel movement, and...a lot of this roster is playing for the first time, but....
we did get arguably the best player in the draft. we did find a way to get Melo to play the best ball of his career.

and yet...mid season when we should be rounding UP to form...we are rounding DOWN?

Nalod wrote:We won 17 games last year and on pace to double that. With the additions and development its nearly impossible to accurately gauge what this team is capable of.
With the team falling further below .500 its reasonable to question the new players Phil bought in and the Coach's ability.

Naturally the assumption that its easily correctable. Its not.

What should be done? Do we leverage the few assets we have to have a quick fix to make a playoff run? If so, does it further inhibit our future and stay in mediocrity?
Our back court is very needy and its out problem.

For what its worth teams that ride it out and not blow assets for a quick fix can turn it around with greater substance in the future.
For what its worth, if we stay the course its painful to be a part of it but usually patience is rewarded. I hope the knicks defy the urge and stick to it long term. Even if it means trading Melo.

If sticking to the process is a worthy exercise Im ok with it. We have seen what the team is capable of and they can hang with anyone when they got their head straight! I have said it before, inconsistency comes before consistency. You don't skip the process.

Regarding Fish, we don't know if Phil is happy or not. We don't know if Phil is right there and encouraging the team to play thru it. Play thru the process and find itself!!! Ten steps forward, two steps back.
We see it, team drops a few games, then plays well for stretch's. Fans get excited.

Then it hits a wall. We don't know a lot about what trades are contemplated or what our 6 assistant coach's are working on. Fans like to extrapolate a successful team and think the personel would translate that success if they were Knick employees. Luke Walton is all glamorous on paper until the sobering fact is he would still have our back court to coach.

Even redundant insulations of the starphuck coaching concept can sound convincing but its just wishful thinking. The talent has to be upgraded for that to happen. No draft pick to be excited about and no visual evidence we are improving. Unless you look at the fact we only won 10 games at this point a year ago.

10 games. It was that bad. Its a lot better now. IM not "settling", Im just realistic. Nalod said 32-37 wins as a prediction. Its was not my hope, it was just my expectation. Most of you were right there. What changed? When the team played over its head for a time and some of you took it as the baseline? No crime in that.

Few teams in history go from 17 wins and being god awful to making the playoffs in one season. Its getting better, just not fast enough for most. Gut check time.

We spent a hundred million dollars this offseason got Carmelo back and had the 4th pick in the draft--lets be real--we were far better than a 17 win team. But are we that much better than the Sixers right now?

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:We won 17 games last year and on pace to double that. With the additions and development its nearly impossible to accurately gauge what this team is capable of.
With the team falling further below .500 its reasonable to question the new players Phil bought in and the Coach's ability.

Naturally the assumption that its easily correctable. Its not.

What should be done? Do we leverage the few assets we have to have a quick fix to make a playoff run? If so, does it further inhibit our future and stay in mediocrity?
Our back court is very needy and its out problem.

For what its worth teams that ride it out and not blow assets for a quick fix can turn it around with greater substance in the future.
For what its worth, if we stay the course its painful to be a part of it but usually patience is rewarded. I hope the knicks defy the urge and stick to it long term. Even if it means trading Melo.

If sticking to the process is a worthy exercise Im ok with it. We have seen what the team is capable of and they can hang with anyone when they got their head straight! I have said it before, inconsistency comes before consistency. You don't skip the process.

Regarding Fish, we don't know if Phil is happy or not. We don't know if Phil is right there and encouraging the team to play thru it. Play thru the process and find itself!!! Ten steps forward, two steps back.
We see it, team drops a few games, then plays well for stretch's. Fans get excited.

Then it hits a wall. We don't know a lot about what trades are contemplated or what our 6 assistant coach's are working on. Fans like to extrapolate a successful team and think the personel would translate that success if they were Knick employees. Luke Walton is all glamorous on paper until the sobering fact is he would still have our back court to coach.

Even redundant insulations of the starphuck coaching concept can sound convincing but its just wishful thinking. The talent has to be upgraded for that to happen. No draft pick to be excited about and no visual evidence we are improving. Unless you look at the fact we only won 10 games at this point a year ago.

10 games. It was that bad. Its a lot better now. IM not "settling", Im just realistic. Nalod said 32-37 wins as a prediction. Its was not my hope, it was just my expectation. Most of you were right there. What changed? When the team played over its head for a time and some of you took it as the baseline? No crime in that.

Few teams in history go from 17 wins and being god awful to making the playoffs in one season. Its getting better, just not fast enough for most. Gut check time.

We spent a hundred million dollars this offseason got Carmelo back and had the 4th pick in the draft--lets be real--we were far better than a 17 win team. But are we that much better than the Sixers right now?

Oh my! We are better the Sixers, but they have a better coaching staff and PG

Hate to be negative, but was it part of the plan for our coach to be sleeping with one of the player's on the team we are playing tonight's wife? Has this happened before...ever??

Rookie wrote:Hate to be negative, but was it part of the plan for our coach to be sleeping with one of the player's on the team we are playing tonight's wife? Has this happened before...ever??

that's not negative, it's irrelevant to the team.

Rookie wrote:Hate to be negative, but was it part of the plan for our coach to be sleeping with one of the player's on the team we are playing tonight's wife? Has this happened before...ever??

great syntax there. i like fisher: i think he is doing a great job and he should not be crapped on for merely meeting the expectations of surely 80% of most serious fans.

by the way how's this:

"... to be sleeping with the wife of a player who is on the team we are playing tonight?"

Rookie wrote:Hate to be negative, but was it part of the plan for our coach to be sleeping with one of the player's on the team we are playing tonight's wife? Has this happened before...ever??

That was the worst grammar I have read on the world wide web....and that's saying something

it's my third language. very primitive, i don't use it much. sorry

Rookie wrote:it's my third language. very primitive, i don't use it much. sorry

thanks for making us aware...it's my second language but there is this app called DuoLingo. you should try it. I use it for other languages, it's pretty cool.

i don't think people realize that knicks fans are everywhere in the world. but i dont think there's any need to belittle your grammar. i think the message you were trying to convey came through just fine, and that's what matters.